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[The Elder King]

MisterJB wrote...


Oh, I fully expect Miranda's organization to be trashed against and I'm perfectly ok with it. Having the Alliance bogged down by policies and protocol is bad enough for humanity. Miranda's org will have to be the one that operates outside of the law.
That could actually incentivate my Shepard into becoming an Alliance Admiral.

Shepard: Hi, sweetie. Called to check in how you are and to let you know that the Alliance is planning a raid on X base.

Anyway, Miranda's organization could even work within the Alliance without being bogged down by policies and protocol. It could work like the STG. They are a Salarian government's organization and do a lot of secret operations.
Though I don't know if the Alliance higher ranks have the guts to create an organization like that. With Jacob's previous experience on the Corsair, I'm doubtful.
And about Shepard, I really want one of my Shepard to became Alliance Admiral. I hope there'll be this option.

Modifié par hhh89, 24 août 2011 - 11:30 .

[Caihn]

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]Yannkee wrote...

How the Alliance could prevent Shepard to choose Miranda ? They will threaten the only person that can save them?[/quote]
By assigning only zealot-I mean, loyal Alliance personell to the Alliance. Antagonizing the entire crew against the XO and potentially the CO is not a good idea. Especially when there is another human Spectre on board.

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I didn't say that everyone should have her as their XO. And it would be impossible because she could be dead in some saves.
But, like I said, if Shepard want to have Miranda back as XO, nobody should prevent him to do that. Or it will completely dumb because he's the only hope for billions of persons.

[quote][quote]Seriously, nobody should care about this when the Reapers will be there.
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Sadly, Cerberus is working for the Reapers. It's the equivalent of picking a Volus to be an XO aboard a human vessel during the First Contact War.

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Well I still think it shouldn't matter.
The Alliance will have to trust Shepard, or they will face the reapers alone.

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 août 2011 - 11:44 .

[flemm]

Well I still think it shouldn't matter.
The Alliance will have to trust Shepard, or they will face the reapers alone.

This will absolutely happen for some of the personnel, such as Donnelly and Gabe, Chakwas, Joker, Kelly, etc. Conceptually, it's no problem. "I'm not even sure this is a Cerberus ship anymore."

With Miranda, it's a bigger role, so you never know.

A couple of other points:

Functionally, being XO doesn't really mean much. So, Shepard could demand that that the alliance allow Miranda to remain onboard to help deal with the crisis, without her officially being the XO. For players, it would amount to the same thing in the end.

That said, the XO would be easy to replace in an official capacity with an NPC, for imported games where Miranda is dead (like Pressly, I think it was, in ME1).

Modifié par flemm, 24 août 2011 - 11:46 .

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...

Why? What's the point when building one from Cerberus' remains is that much easier.

Do you really think that the cells that were loyal to TIM will suddenly accept the authority of a new person ?
This scenario seems very unlikely.

Also a new organization after the reaper war could have a more important role than the remain of a pro-humanity terorist organization.
I want to see Miranda involved in something bigger than that.

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 août 2011 - 11:45 .

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

I saw that but didn't put it here because it's still not a confirmation for those who want her back voicing Miranda

I don't think we'll have the confirmation before she starts recording anyway (probably not before november).

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 août 2011 - 11:47 .

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

But What if Cerberus were to be completely wiped out? Imagine, if you will, the Reapers no longer needing them, and instead of letting them go, well, they let them go....by wiping every last member of Cerberus indoctrinated. Getting rid of the pawns themselves, once everything is in order.

I don't think we have to worry about the Reapers disposing of Cerberus until they have won the war, in which it won't matter anyway. And I seriously doubt everyone in Cerberus is indocrinated even if the Reapers did indeed take over the entire organization (which I don't believe happened). Remember that indocrination reduces usefulness.
Besides, Cerberus' resources are not limited to it's operatives. Data on experiences, monetary funds, fakes IDs, front companies, bases on remote planets, space stations. All of this is Cerberus.

Yannkee wrote...
Do you really think that the cells that were loyal to TIM will suddenly accept the authority of a new person ?
This scenario is really unlikely.

People like Kai Leng will have to be disposed of, certainly. However, ultimately, the operatives work for Cerberus, not TIM. Remember how secretive he is.
If his death can't be pinned on Miranda and after she is seen saving what remains of the organization, the survivors will obey her. Especially after Cerberus getting in bed with the Reapers.

Also a new organization after the reaper war could have a more important role than the remain of a pro-humanity terorist organization.
I want to see Miranda involved in something bigger than that.

Miranda can shape the remains of Cerberus into whatever she pleases. She has the brains for that. I just don't see the point in starting from zero.

Modifié par MisterJB, 24 août 2011 - 11:59 .

[Shotokanguy]

I'm starting to feel like I need a Strahovski avatar. I mean...I love her more than any of you.

So uh...this might lead to nasty places, but I wanted to bring up that idea that Miranda actually had some psychological damage done to her by her father.

Do you guys think it's possible her father was...well, sick? See, the first time I played ME2, as Miranda told me of her father, the line "amalgam of desired traits" just sort of sounded...perverted. When you look at how Miranda turned out...why did her father do that?

You get the idea. I don't think BioWare would go there...but it would make things a little more interesting, wouldn't it? That's serious stuff.

[flemm]

Well, tbh, we don't (as far as I know) fully understand what motivated Miranda's father. But, yeah, there are some pretty troubling possibilities there.

[MisterJB]

Shotokanguy wrote...

I'm starting to feel like I need a Strahovski avatar. I mean...I love her more than any of you.

As for the rest of your post, that theory has been presented before. The reactions vary from "EWWWW" to wanting to put Mr. Lawson in a "Reverse Bear trap" (SAW).
It's possible and I don't think Bioware would shy away from it. Jack was raped, after all.
It's also possible that Miranda was made that way simply to give her an advantage.

[Caihn]

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]Yannkee wrote...
Do you really think that the cells that were loyal to TIM will suddenly accept the authority of a new person ?
This scenario is really unlikely.[/quote]
People like Kai Leng will have to be disposed of, certainly. However, ultimately, the operatives work for Cerberus, not TIM. Remember how secretive he is.
If his death can't be pinned on Miranda and after she is seen saving what remains of the organization, the survivors will obey her. Especially after Cerberus getting in bed with the Reapers.
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Oh no, I don't think they will accept Miranda's authority just like that. Many of them will go against her because they are still loyal to TIM (= Cerberus for many of them), and the others will prefer to use the ressources for their own ambition.

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[quote]Also a new organization after the reaper war could have a more important role than the remain of a pro-humanity terorist organization.
I want to see Miranda involved in something bigger than that.
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Miranda can shape the remains of Cerberus into whatever she pleases. She has the brains for that. I just don't see the point of starting from zero.[/quote][/quote]

Build a new organization doesn't mean that she won't have ressources (she could even have more ressources than with the remain of Cerberus) . Like I said, if there is a more important organization than the equivalent of Cerberus, she should be involved in this. She will have more credibility and she won't have to deal with the incompetence of the Cerberus personnel.

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 août 2011 - 12:01 .

[Sepewrath]

I don't think so, you cant build your empire around someone you broke. I think he made her look like that simply because an attractive woman, who is smart enough to know that she is very attractive and how to use it, can get very very far. Pretty women can make a weak man stupid, toss in her being smarter than them and its not a fair fight.

[flemm]

Where Miranda's father is concerned, he's supposed to be interested in creating some sort of dynasty, correct? Like creating the perfect heir to his financial throne? A lot of men would probably think of a son to fill that role tbh, but Sepewrath does make some good points about the practical side of things.

Modifié par flemm, 25 août 2011 - 12:01 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Why the obsession of preserving Cerberus? I for one do not mind if Miri takes charge of an organization, but it doesn't have to be Cerberus. Since Miri resigned, there's no specific reason as to why she'll return in the end.

..........Look. Cerberus has a bad history. If Miri takes over, no matter how many times we vouch for her, the Alliance and everyone else will still be whining pansies and try to take her down because it STILL bares the name "Cerberus." What if there is a new organization, one that is not rogue, no experiments, no dark deeds.

Why would other groups try to protest against her after helping us save the galaxy, especially if we are part of it. They wouldn't dare try to attack the LI of the saavior of the Galaxy!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 25 août 2011 - 12:02 .

[The Elder King]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...



Why would other groups try to protest against her after helping us save the galaxy, especially if we are part of it. They wouldn't dare try to attack the LI of the saavior of the Galaxy!

They wouldn't dare to attack Miranda whatever her relation with Shepard is. She doesn't need Shepard's protection. If someone dare  to attack her, she would kill him/her.
And about Cerberus, I'm tired of this  whole "bad history2. They did wrong things in the past, but it's not like the other organizations of ME are saints either. The Alliance sent bombs on their satellites in the other specie's space, the salarians used the krogan, giving them technology that they shoudn't have, and caused with that their enourmous grow and the rebellion.
Every organization in ME isn't completely good or bad. Alliance, Cerberus, STG, Council, Spectre, Quarians, Geth, and every other organizations/governments.

Modifié par hhh89, 25 août 2011 - 12:14 .

[Sepewrath]

Well if they were going to go after Cerberus, just because its Cerberus. they would go after this new group, just because its head by a former member of Cerberus. Though I would imagine, that could be offset in either case, by allowing Alliance oversight, but that would kind of defeat the purpose of having it, as it would have the same trappings as the Alliance. 

Modifié par Sepewrath, 25 août 2011 - 12:09 .

[Caihn]

hhh89 wrote...
If someone dare  to attack her, she would kill him/her.

The last one who tried ..

[nitefyre410]

Yannkee wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
If someone dare  to attack her, she would kill him/her.

The last one who tried ..

He was the last person to eat her strawberry creme scones...

and he was working the for the Shadow Broker... she is not a woman to be trifled with.. really none of the female cast is...

Modifié par nitefyre410, 25 août 2011 - 12:11 .

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Why would other groups try to protest against her after helping us save the galaxy, especially if we are part of it. They wouldn't dare try to attack the LI of the saavior of the Galaxy!

Oh, please. We should count ourselves lucky if Shepard is not executed for the Bahak system after the Reaper war is over.

Sepewrath wrote...
 Though I would imagine, that could be offset in either case, by allowing Alliance oversight, but that would kind of defeat the purpose of having it, as it would have the same trappings as the Alliance. 

This.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 août 2011 - 12:14 .

[MisterJB]

sorry. Double post.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 août 2011 - 12:14 .

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...
Oh, please. We should count ourselves lucky if Shepard is not executed for the Bahak system after the Reapers war is over.

Who will want to execute Shepard, the people who are still alive because of what he/she has done (including delayed the arrival of the reapers) ?

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 août 2011 - 12:14 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
If someone dare  to attack her, she would kill him/her.

The last one who tried ..

He was the last person to eat her strawberry creme scones...

and he was working the for the Shadow Broker... she is not a woman to be trifled with.. really none of the female cast is...

What's with the joke about scones? And how the hell was Wilson working for the Shadow Broker?

[MisterJB]

Yannkee wrote...
Who will want to execute Shepard, the people who are still alive because of what he/she has done (including delayed the arrival of the reapers) ?

It depends on how the war goes. If the Batarians are still powerful enought to pose a threat, they are not going to let an opportunity like this get past them and the Alliance will just throw Shepard to the wolves.
And we also don't know what Shepard will have to do in order to stop the Reapers. He migth have to make terrible choices he had no autorithy to make, just like when he destroyed the Bahak system.
In the end, all that the Alliance and the Council will care about are the politics.
This is why I would like the option for Shepard to fake his death.

[Caihn]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And how the hell was Wilson working for the Shadow Broker?

Read Legion's dossier in LotSB.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And how the hell was Wilson working for the Shadow Broker?

Read Legion's dossier in LotSB.

Ok, but what about these scones. Where did you find that out?

[nitefyre410]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And how the hell was Wilson working for the Shadow Broker?

Read Legion's dossier in LotSB.

Ok, but what about these scones. Where did you find that out?

 

The Scones I came up with myself  it was skit  I wrote   thats buired in the  pages of thread

Grunt ate her  stash and she put the fear of god in him.