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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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flemm wrote...
Is there anything in the "extended universe" stuff, like comics or similar things that I might not have seen, that gives us any more info about Miranda's father and the nature of his business?

I was going through that section of the game and was really struck this time but how little info is actually given. That's especially true since the whole idea of a businessman breeding a "perfect" daughter as heir to his financial empire is so odd to begin with.

Not a single word. We are speculating in a vacuum. Even the purpose for which her father made her is never touched upon. The single tidbit of information that *may* point to him is the LotSB dossier, which brought people to speculate that Miranda's father heads Eldfell-Ashland. This has been used in fanfic, but no official material sheds any more light on the man.

Since Bioware said they'll tie up all loose ends in ME3, possibly we'll all know more half a year from now.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 septembre 2011 - 08:52 .


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Ok, interesting. This in particular:

Ieldra2 wrote...
 Even the purpose for which her father made her is never touched upon.


I didn't really notice it immediately, but on my most recent play-through I was struck by how huge a gap this is in the character's personal history. Feels ripe for some type of twist in ME3.

Modifié par flemm, 01 septembre 2011 - 08:55 .


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flemm wrote...
Ok, interesting. This in particular:

Ieldra2 wrote...
 Even the purpose for which her father made her is never touched upon.


I didn't really notice it immediately, but on my most recent play-through I was struck by how huge a gap this is in the character's personal history. Feels ripe for some type of twist in ME3.

Possibly. But I think the reason for this gap is that Miranda's father must be an influential figure, and Bioware didn't want to track the impact of an additional influential figure on their universe. This way, Miranda's dialogue could be written pretty much in a vacuum, without the need for the writer to check everything with the worldbuilding people. 

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Yeah, that's possible. But even if that was indeed the original intent, it's the kind of thing that writers could go back and build on when they move the story forward.

Modifié par flemm, 01 septembre 2011 - 09:22 .


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Ieldra2 wrote...

Not a single word. We are speculating in a vacuum. Even the purpose for which her father made her is never touched upon. The single tidbit of information that *may* point to him is the LotSB dossier, which brought people to speculate that Miranda's father heads Eldfell-Ashland. This has been used in fanfic, but no official material sheds any more light on the man.


I always thought that this Cerberus Daily News entry hinted at the Ashland connection. "Mina was always the best of us" could be refering to Miranda, or I could just be grasping at straws.

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Nope. Mina is a publically known figure whose boyfriends Aish stole. Besides, can you really see him allowing Aish to exist? But we know nothing about Eldfell.

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Good point.

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Yeah, I made it a t-shirt. XD

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Basically if Miranda isnt a squad member, or at the least isnt that much in the game and isnt that significant. **** will go down...

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^^ This is true.


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And this is Miranda...in all of her sexy sultry-ness

Modifié par LexieTheT-Rexy, 01 septembre 2011 - 11:49 .


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jtav wrote...

Nope. Mina is a publically known figure whose boyfriends Aish stole. Besides, can you really see him allowing Aish to exist? But we know nothing about Eldfell.


Scientist: Sir, the public is wondering what exactly happened to your daughter.

Mr. Lawson: Can't we use the usual line?

Scientist: Complications from Element Zero exposure is starting to cause suspicion.

Mr. Lawson: How long will it take to make a duplicate?

Scientist: Sir if you want the full suite of tailoring it could take a few years.

Mr. Lawson: You have a week.

Scientist: Sir, the end result might not be to your liking.

Mr. Lawson: It just has to last long enough for me to retrive our escapees. How long can that take?

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if miranda isnt a squadie....... ill cry for a few days then just continue mass effect 3 but im sure she will be a squadie :D

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If Miranda is not a squadmate I'll throw my remote at the T.V screen and break the disk. Then get really pissed off at myself and desperatly try to fix the T.V and put the disk back together.

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The fanboy inside me is hoping for a bit where Miranda and Kal'Reegar meet...and that meeting is loaded with references to Chuck. Yvonne and Adam Baldwin FTW.

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is kal'Reegar voiced by chuck

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typoo855 wrote...

is kal'Reegar voiced by chuck


No. Adam Baldwin, who plays Casey.

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typoo855 wrote...

is kal'Reegar voiced by chuck


No. He's voiced by Adam Baldwin. :blush:

And I haz returned to torment the forums with my weirdness. I suppose we're still waiting for more news.

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I suppose we're still waiting for more news.


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OK, just dropping in with a quick thought. Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I think I've got a solid theory on Miranda's role in ME3(provided she survives, of course).

I think she's going to take over Cerberus. Or at least gather together some fringe elements of it to form a similar pro-human organization.

The most common theory that I have heard on Cerberus being an antagonist in ME3 is that it all hinges on Shepard's Collector Base decision. If the base was destroyed, Cerberus is after Shepard because IM is pissed as all hell. If the base is saved, Cerberus gets indoctrinated (well, most of it, anyway). In wither scenario, Miranda isn't going to be hanging around Cerberus for very long in ME3. She personally believes that the Collector Base should've been destroyed, so she is at ends with the Illusive Man from the start.

But I believe that Miranda will not have lost her belief in the basic principles that Cerberus was based off of. She just thinks that the Illusive Man isn't taking those principles in the right direction. And I can see her doing her best to gather together the different parts of Cerberus that have fallen away from the IM.

And I mean, let's face it, seeing Miranda sitting in the IM's chair, talking about saving the galaxy, could be pretty cool. Minus the cigarette and glass of whisky(or whatever the hell the IM drinks). She can keep the chest-revealing clothing, though. That should definitely stay. I might even be able to take Miranda not being a perma-squadmate if that is in one of the endings.

And talk about results of your choices, eh? If Miranda is dead, you would lose that whole part of the plotline. No way to salvage any part of Cerberus to help you fight the Reapers.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 02 septembre 2011 - 06:06 .


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CastonFolarus wrote...
OK, just dropping in with a quick thought. Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I think I've got a solid theory on Miranda's role in ME3(provided she survives, of course).

:lol: Has this been brought up before? About once every twenty pages.... anyway there is one added twist not mentioned before.

I think she's going to take over Cerberus. Or at least gather together some fringe elements of it to form a similar pro-human organization.

This is the famous (or infamous, depending on who you ask) "Illusive Woman" scenario, one of the most discussed options. I think that option will exist in ME3. It's reasonably popuiar here, but some people are passionate about washing their hands (and by extension, Miranda's because she's their LI) of everything Cerberus, and those would like to see something else. The version I prefer is that after TIM's Cerberus is defeated, Miranda will create an STG-like organization with a different name incorporating most of Cerberus' material and data resources and a carefully selected subset of its personnel, if anything remains that's not indoctrinated.

The most common theory that I have heard on Cerberus being an antagonist in ME3 is that it all hinges on Shepard's Collector Base decision. If the base was destroyed, Cerberus is after Shepard because IM is pissed as all hell. If the base is saved, Cerberus gets indoctrinated (well, most of it, anyway).

There is a very significant hint that TIM himself is not indoctrinated, so I don't think the CB decision will matter all that much in why Cerberus is after Shepard. I think we'll see a scenario where TIM has used indoctrination on his troops to make them more loyal and to recruit a bigger army. I have no idea where the CB decision will influence things, but I don't think it's this.

In either scenario, Miranda isn't going to be hanging around Cerberus for very long in ME3. She personally believes that the Collector Base should've been destroyed, so she is at ends with the Illusive Man from the start.

There is a sigificant faction of her fans (and many more people elsewhere on this forum who aren't as emotionally invested in Miranda) who think that Miranda is out of character when - and especially how - she recommends destroying the base (I am one of them). If you'd like to know more about that, I'll tell you in a PM, because most people in this thread are tired of debating this topic.
But almost all of us are in agreement that Miranda will not stay with Cerberus no matter what. If my scenario comes to pass, she'll lose any loyalty she might have left when TIM starts indoctrinating his army.

But I believe that Miranda will not have lost her belief in the basic principles that Cerberus was based off of. She just thinks that the Illusive Man isn't taking those principles in the right direction. And I can see her doing her best to gather together the different parts of Cerberus that have fallen away from the IM.

A split in Cerberus is one possibility I've been posting a long time ago, but had since forgotten. I think this is a definite possibility.

And I mean, let's face it, seeing Miranda sitting in the IM's chair, talking about saving the galaxy, could be pretty cool. Minus the cigarette and glass of whisky(or whatever the hell the IM drinks). She can keep the chest-revealing clothing, though. That should definitely stay. I might even be able to take Miranda not being a perma-squadmate if that is in one of the endings.

Yes, that would be ultra-cool. I, too, would pay the price of not having Miranda permanently on the team in order to see it. And since she's not in combat there, there's no reason for not having a stylish civilian outfit, though I don't like the style of the catsuits.

Also, imagine what a romance scene there would be like, under that transparent dome where you can see the stars in all directions, with a black, almost invisible floor. I've written a fanfic scene about that more than a year ago when I first envisioned that Miranda might inherit TIM's space station in ME3.

And talk about results of your choices, eh? If Miranda is dead, you would lose that whole part of the plotline. No way to salvage any part of Cerberus to help you fight the Reapers.

Exactly!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 septembre 2011 - 08:00 .


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Yeah, I made it a t-shirt. XD

Uh oh....I like this, but unfortunately. Cerberus was formed after the First Contact War, and the First Contact War was 2157...

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Urgh.....a Twilight picture. I request a removal. :sick:

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@Ieldra2 - First... That was funny :lol:

Second: I request tolerance... :whistle:

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There's no need to have tolerance for Twilight.. I mean that just goes so far over the line.

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flemm wrote...
Yeah, that's possible. But even if that was indeed the original intent, it's the kind of thing that writers could go back and build on when they move the story forward.

Definitely. I don't know how many fanfics have been written about this. Definitely potential there, though fanfic writers will be disappointed that their scenarios are rendered uncanonical. Except Elyvern's, should it indeed be Eldfell.

Another reason why Miranda may have looked up the Eldfell-Ashland connection is the Cerberus involvement in element zero "accidents" involving Eldfell/Ashland ships. I don't think she would agree with such brute force methods.

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Re: Miranda reorganizing elements of Cerberus, which is a frequently discussed possibility, I'm increasingly hoping the writers take another direction entirely for the character.

Not that it's a bad idea. On the contrary, it is pretty good, actually, but I also think it's a little safe and predictable. Basically it allows Miranda to stay in her comfort zone.

I think I'd like to see Miranda help burn Cerberus to the ground and then have to ask herself: "Ok, what now?" That's a bigger challenge for the character, as it would be for any individual in a similar situation.