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[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

Well, unless Shepard was sedation-proof and able to use things like the Claynore and Widow before, s/he got upgrades. And Shep also has many cybernetic parts that weren't there before.

All Alliance soldiers receive gene therapy, that's nothing new. The "Fall of Earth" demo has one using a Widow.
Nothing indicates his cybernetic parts aren't just there to restore him and keep him together.
As for the sedation...I got nothing.

Also, Skullheart, hope you don't mind I use this gif.

Modifié par MisterJB, 06 septembre 2011 - 02:53 .

[flemm]

@ jtav, I haven't thought about it in exactly that way, personally, but I see what you mean.

There's definitely an interesting set of images surrounding the character, having to do with reproduction, rebirth, sterility, overcoming or accepting limitations, etc., even the ultimate limitation: death. I guess, as an individual with several rather useless degrees in the humanities, I tend to look at it as a set of tropes and themes, but anyway, whether it was conscious or not on the part of the writers, having a character with Miranda's background heading the Lazarus Project is a pretty compelling choice.

MisterJB wrote...

Where is that stated?

There's also some info at the very beginning of the game from Miranda in one of the Lazarus project logs about changing over to bio-synthetic fusion as a method for reviving Shepard. So I think the implication is that he is part machine now.

There are some echoes, by the way, between the Lazarus project at the beginning of the game and the Human Reaper embryo at the very end (also bio-synthetic).

I would be very surprised if ME3 doesn't come back to this in a big way.

Modifié par flemm, 06 septembre 2011 - 02:58 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Can someone help me for an avatar.

I still don't even know how to make the gif come here on bsn as a png. When I tried, it didn't move when uploaded. And I don't know how to crop it. When I changed it to a png, I changed it in paint. What did I do wrong? And I don't know how to crop the gif.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Can someone make me a 146x146 Miranda gif, then turn it to a moving png that way I can use it as an avatar?

One where Shep comes from behind Miri in the Romance scene, or one where Miri throws Enyala.

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...

There's also some info at the very beginning of the game from Miranda in one of the Lazarus project logs about changing over to bio-synthetic fusion as a method for reviving Shepard. So I think the implication is that he is part machine now.

There are some echoes, by the way, between the Lazarus project at the beginning of the game and the Human Reaper embryo at the very end (also bio-synthetic).

I would be very surprised if ME3 doesn't come back to this in a big way.

No argument there. Perhaps, I was not clear enough.

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...
Shepard is a fusion of organic and machine, physically superior to the original. Through Lazarus

Where is that stated?

[flemm]

Ah yes, on the physically superior point, I see what you mean. I think that's less clear, but I suppose he might be.

Modifié par flemm, 06 septembre 2011 - 03:19 .

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

They're both totally badass. That's enough for me. ;3

[snfonseka]

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

I apologize for the double post but: MORE PICTURE TIME!!

 Nice one......

[Spanky Magoo]

I don't know If its been discussed before but It occurred to me that Miranda is the only LI that hasn't had their life saved by Shepard.
Tali: saved on the citadel & Haestrom
Liara: saved on Therum but gave remains to cerberus ( but got into some trouble in the process )
Ash: saved on eden prime & horizon

Miranda: Brings Shepard back to life
Out of all the LI Miri seems to be the only one who doesnt fit the damsel in distress mold. I think thats one of the things I like about the character, she seems to have her stuff together for the most part.

[jtav]

Agreed and I'd like that to continue to be true.

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

It will. She'll always be the strong, independent Miranda. That's a prime part of her character that can't (and never should) be changed.

[snfonseka]

Spanky Magoo wrote...

I don't know If its been discussed before but It occurred to me that Miranda is the only LI that hasn't had their life saved by Shepard.
Tali: saved on the citadel & Haestrom
Liara: saved on Therum but gave remains to cerberus ( but got into some trouble in the process )
Ash: saved on eden prime & horizon

Miranda: Brings Shepard back to life
Out of all the LI Miri seems to be the only one who doesnt fit the damsel in distress mold. I think thats one of the things I like about the character, she seems to have her stuff together for the most part.

U missed Jack....

[Spanky Magoo]

snfonseka wrote...

Spanky Magoo wrote...

I don't know If its been discussed before but It occurred to me that Miranda is the only LI that hasn't had their life saved by Shepard.
Tali: saved on the citadel & Haestrom
Liara: saved on Therum but gave remains to cerberus ( but got into some trouble in the process )
Ash: saved on eden prime & horizon

Miranda: Brings Shepard back to life
Out of all the LI Miri seems to be the only one who doesnt fit the damsel in distress mold. I think thats one of the things I like about the character, she seems to have her stuff together for the most part.

U missed Jack....

Ahh I knew I was missing one thanks

Jack: would still be frozen in Jail
Kelly: Can be saved from colletors

[Skullheart]

Hey guys, anyone have a Miranda gallery (pics in game) online?. I need a lot of pics from her...

[ubermensch007]

jtav wrote...

Because I have Deus Ex on the brain...

Has it occurred to anyone that Miranda and Shepard represent the two classic sci-fi ways of overcoming human limitation? Miranda has extensive genetic engineering while Shepard is a fusion of organic and machine, physically superior to the original. Through Lazarus, Miranda is creating her own perfected human, albeit for different reasons than her father's and as a consequence rather than a goal in itself.

Yeah - Shepard and Lawson do have a bit in common.Maybe this is what Shepard was sort of referring to (if you break-up with Miranda which I have only done once (in my first playthrough) and will not be doing again, anytime soon) when he says that his reason for calling things off is b/c they are to much alike.

I never understood what he meant by that.I kind of just thought that he was just being a ****** and talking out of his ass there...

But when I think of how Operative Lawson spoke to Shepard of how she has had genetic augmentation.Not of her choice.The same is true of Shepard's cybernetic enhancements that were intergrated into his body without his consent.They are both Transhuman Ideals.Although it was not their choice in the matter

When leaving the Lazarus Station, Lawson says,"We really should run more test." Jacob Taylor shuts her down though. And is all like,"Nah, Miranda.Shepard's good."

It would have been cool, when we finally get on the Normandy SR 2 - If Shepard could have resumed the "test" that Miranda spoke of.Cause I don't know about any of you.But sometimes ME 2, treated Shep's cybernetic enhancements, in to suttle of a manner.That I forgot he even has them...

When Shep trades blows with the Yahg Shadow Broker.At first, I was like,"How the hell is that even possible!?!

Modifié par ubermensch007, 06 septembre 2011 - 05:35 .

[Caihn]

Skullheart wrote...

Hey guys, anyone have a Miranda gallery (pics in game) online?. I need a lot of pics from her...

Here
(look at the sub albums)
HQmod for the screenshots with the high res textures.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

Well, unless Shepard was sedation-proof and able to use things like the Claynore and Widow before, s/he got upgrades. And Shep also has many cybernetic parts that weren't there before.

All Alliance soldiers receive gene therapy, that's nothing new. The "Fall of Earth" demo has one using a Widow.
Nothing indicates his cybernetic parts aren't just there to restore him and keep him together.

What about this:

Cybernetic Upgrades

• Heavy Bone Weave (Skeletal Lattice) - Shepard takes -50% Damage to health from melee attacks.
• Heavy Muscle Weave (Microfiber Weave) - Shepard does +25% Melee damage.
• Heavy Skin Weave 1 - 7 (Lattice Shunting) - Shepard gains +10% Health per upgrade.

Also, even if you don't upgrade Shepard, he can use the Widow and lift metal beams (at the final boss). I say it's a given that Shepard has cybernetic upgrades.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 septembre 2011 - 05:45 .

[Skullheart]

mmmm... right after start the romance...

Shepard: Do you have a minute Miranda?

Miranda: Of course Commander. How may I help you?

Shepard: Remember what you said back in the shuttle, before Freedom Progress? That you needed to run some test on me.

Miranda: Well, at that time we needed to know the progression of your body functions. But I don't think that is really necessary now. You already prooved that your recover is complete.

Shepard: Miss Lawson, I'm prety sure that we need to do some tests right now.

Miranda: Excuse me?

Shepard: There's certain fuction of my body that I'm eager to try.. (Shepard looks Miranda eyes, then her bed. His eyes look again at Miranda with his rapist smile).

Miranda: You ass.

Modifié par Skullheart, 06 septembre 2011 - 05:50 .

[Ieldra]

Skullheart wrote...
Hey guys, anyone have a Miranda gallery (pics in game) online?. I need a lot of pics from her...

... and here.

[who would know]

Favorites.

Modifié par who would know, 06 septembre 2011 - 06:33 .

[Skullheart]

Well, just used all the pics I could to create this gif. I didn´t like the final result, but whatever...

50 faces of Miri in 5 seconds.



Don't look her eyes too much, or you will feel a little dizzy.

Thanks to Yankee and Ieldra2 for the pics.

Modifié par Skullheart, 06 septembre 2011 - 07:49 .

[Widmo34]

Miranda and Shepard are best couple ever and they are simillar to Sarah Kerrigan/James Raynor (we know that Jimmy had poor love situation)

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
There's also some info at the very beginning of the game from Miranda in one of the Lazarus project logs about changing over to bio-synthetic fusion as a method for reviving Shepard. So I think the implication is that he is part machine now.

There are some echoes, by the way, between the Lazarus project at the beginning of the game and the Human Reaper embryo at the very end (also bio-synthetic).

I would be very surprised if ME3 doesn't come back to this in a big way.

I think this will come back in a big way. There are too many instances for this in ME2 to be ignored. Miranda's "biosynthetic fusion", Shepard's superhuman strength, the fact that they can apparently be hacked (Overlord), the cybernetic upgrades you can get in ME2. 

also @jtav:
Yes, Miranda and Shepard as embodying two ways to overcome human limitations, that has been very much apparent to me. It's one reason why I dislike Miranda's infertility - for "her" way to continue, enhanced humans must be able to have children. I don't want the game to canonically render one or both of these paths of transhumanism canonically nonviable.  

[Arijharn]

If Shephard's cybernetic's are a factor then I hope it is something more psychological than just a simple thing of the Reaper's 'hacking' Shephard and taking him over before Shephard somehow reverts back. I'd like this psychology aspect to be more in line with Shephard questioning his sense of identity, and thus be somewhat involving his pre-service history and background too.

Why do I want this? Because a) I want pre-service history and background to not necessarily 'matter' but to be more than just a 'unique' flavour mission in ME1 and to otherwise influence one or two lines of dialogue, Because I want Shephard to grow as an actual character within the game, we can influence who Shephard finds attractive (MIRANDA!) and yet we can't question or grow Shephard's character? Or at least, to me it doesn't really feel like I am, short of choosing who to kill etc, etc. c) Because I'd like to get to know my Shephard more.

Maybe this psychological assault should be a method of how Shephard resists his 'Indoctrination' more than anything else, and perhaps the question the Reapers should ask is something along the lines of: "Why do you fight us? You are more like us now than you are them. Ascendance is yours for the taking, a state of existence beyond your experience much less your imagination. You will no longer need to search for God, because you have become one, all your hopes and dreams within your grasp. Or do you enjoy having your limitations that much?"

Then hopefully, Shephard's friendships can factor into it as of course his relationship with Miranda (because *obviously* the only sensible relationship is one with her )