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[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I suspect her relationships with Shepard and Jacob have a lot to do with their functions as player self-inserts.

Pretty much, yeah. Also, LMAO at the idea of "sloppy seconds" from a previous relationship. If that turns you off, DaftArbiter, then dating must be rather problematic for you.

[elearon1]

Melrache wrote...
But meh Shepard is kinda uninteresting character as well, I think Miri just likes boring guys.

Shepard, the baddass, alternately charming/sass talking (wo)man who got Promethean tech beamed directly into his brain and was able to use that to discover - not only the remains of a Promethean base - but the existance of an unfathomably ancient race of sentient machines bent on world domination.  Who scowered far flung worlds, discovering forgotten remants of lost colonies, uprooting mercenary pirates, defeating rogue AIs, and killing every conceivable Geth threat that could be thrown at him.  The (wo)man who - after defeating an Asari Matriarch in personal combat - used the knowledge (s)he gained to then organize resistance against an invading Geth war fleet, a member of said ancient machine race, and an indoctrinated Spectre.  

That "uninteresting" Shepard? 

Yeah, she's got low standards. 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I suspect her relationships with Shepard and Jacob have a lot to do with their functions as player self-inserts.

Pretty much, yeah. Also, LMAO at the idea of "sloppy seconds" from a previous relationship. If that turns you off, DaftArbiter, then dating must be rather problematic for you.

Like I just said, it's not because of sloppy seconds, it's because it's Jacob we're tallking about. The lecherous guy with the cringeworthy romantic dialogue. Whenever I enter the romance dialogue with Miranda, I'm either laughing at the image that gives me, or Shepard's rapeface after the lock-in.

It kind of screws with the narrative, and the narrative effect is why I do the romances in the series.

Modifié par DaftArbiter, 07 septembre 2011 - 03:05 .

[flemm]

Just focus on the priiiiiiize...



*oups*

Modifié par flemm, 07 septembre 2011 - 03:07 .

[jtav]

Yes that uninteresting Shepard. A dull, stupid soldier who lacks even the most basic curiosity, completely shrugs off his death (and we're never given a good reason why he has to be brought back), defaults to blowing stuff up or making speeches that can convince anyone of anything despite said speeches not being well-written, and seems to carry around a reality warping device so things always go his way.

No, I don't want him with Miranda.

[Ieldra]

elearon1 wrote...

Melrache wrote...
But meh Shepard is kinda uninteresting character as well, I think Miri just likes boring guys.

Shepard, the baddass, alternately charming/sass talking (wo)man who got Promethean tech beamed directly into his brain and was able to use that to discover - not only the remains of a Promethean base - but the existance of an unfathomably ancient race of sentient machines bent on world domination.  Who scowered far flung worlds, discovering forgotten remants of lost colonies, uprooting mercenary pirates, defeating rogue AIs, and killing every conceivable Geth threat that could be thrown at him.  The (wo)man who - after defeating an Asari Matriarch in personal combat - used the knowledge (s)he gained to then organize resistance against an invading Geth war fleet, a member of said ancient machine race, and an indoctrinated Spectre.  

That "uninteresting" Shepard? 

Yeah, she's got low standards.

Nobody said Shepard wasn't badass. If anything, Shepard's the embodiment of badass. But that doesn't make for an interesting personality nor for a particularly sharp mind. If anything, I resent that Shepard is presented as being not exactly bright. His achievements are mostly due to badassery, the hero's luck and his ability to verbally steamroll over everyone no matter how ludicrous the actual argument is. Example: Tali's trial, persuasion options.

Yes, if I didn't make the effort to twist my Shepards a great deal in my mind, blanking out the unavoidable stupidities, then I'd say Miranda has low standards when she hooks up with Shepard.

Edit:
Also what jtav said. I do want Miranda with my Shepard, but making him suitable against the game's damnable stupid action hero template is a great deal of mental work.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 septembre 2011 - 03:11 .

[elearon1]

Well, *My* Shepard is an interesting person, who did explore all those remote planets out of curiosity; who chose her actions from a strong character design (I never used all paragon or renegade options - but what made sense for my character under the circumstances); who made hard moral decisions; struggles with the loss of friends; buries the nagging questions about her resurrection beneath a heavy workload; and has very complex socio-political views on the way things are going in the galaxy right now.

Part of playing a roleplaying game is filling in the gaps, not scripted by the writers, for yourself.

[flemm]

elearon1 wrote...

Part of playing a roleplaying game is filling in the gaps, not scripted by the writers, for yourself.

I think you make a good point here. There's really a limit to how interesting the protagonist can be in this type of game, since there needs to be room for the player's imagination to work. Arguably, an anonymous protagonist such as the Warden in DA:O actually works much better for this. But even Shepard is largely an empty space to fill.

[jtav]

I don't mind filling in gaps (no one takes my Hawke away from me). I mind the canonical traits being things I despise. And your RP options are actually fairly limited, especially in the second game. It's much easier to imagine Liara/Miranda than tweak Shepard to my liking.

[flemm]

And that's cool. I'm not saying you should like Shepard. I get bored with the character as well at times. But it's much easier to make the squad members interesting then the player character, I think, in general. There's less of a need for "one size to fit all," so to speak.

Modifié par flemm, 07 septembre 2011 - 03:42 .

[Caihn]

If there is one character I can't imagine with Miranda : it's Jacob. I still don't understand how the writers could imagine a relationship between them.

Anyway, she's with my Shepard now.

Definitely my favorite pairing : 

Modifié par Yannkee, 07 septembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[flemm]

Gorgeous!

[Melra]

I'd rather have Miri with Kaidan, even though he's bit boring at times, but still I'd prefer him over Shepard, if I could just play as fem Shep and have interesting romance for her. Shepard had a bit going for him in ME1's beginning, before the list of silly things just piled up into big load of... silly stuff.

If he could actually pull his lines in ''cool'' manner or have something unique in him, I'd be cool with his achievements. And I can't roleplay Shepard, my options or far too limited for that.

I mean... gosh, even Dante from Devil May Cry is more interesting character for me and his lines, while sometimes just.. so over the top, they're still better than any of the male shep's lines. I guess it just all comes down to VA and writing.

Oh I wish Matt Bomer did the voice of Shepard, hahahah.

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

Alright, Shepard's successes aren't just because he is badass. He is a commanding officer, a spectre... He has accomplished so much not just because he is a badass. He is a marine, and all marines HAVE to be intelligent, but they project it quietly. Scientists, for example, are very open about their intelligence, but marines and soldiers, who are trained in strategy and multiple other real world aspects and street smarts are quiet. They know what they need to do and do it. Their intelligence is their own, in contrast to book smarts aquired by memorization.

[Td1984]

Melrache wrote...

I'd rather have Miri with Kaidan, even though he's bit boring at times, but still I'd prefer him over Shepard, if I could just play as fem Shep and have interesting romance for her. Shepard had a bit going for him in ME1's beginning, before the list of silly things just piled up into big load of... silly stuff.

If he could actually pull his lines in ''cool'' manner or have something unique in him, I'd be cool with his achievements. And I can't roleplay Shepard, my options or far too limited for that.

I mean... gosh, even Dante from Devil May Cry is more interesting character for me and his lines, while sometimes just.. so over the top, they're still better than any of the male shep's lines. I guess it just all comes down to VA and writing.

Oh I wish Matt Bomer did the voice of Shepard, hahahah.

No! No! No! The only three people I've hated on Chuck more than Bryce were Emmett, Shaw and Vivian. If I wanted somebody from Chuck doing the VA for Shep, I wouldn't have minded Adam Baldwin (though I would've preferred him voicing a character that replaced Jacob, as was suggested earlier), though at least he does Kal'Reegar.

Though I don't mind the fact Jacob and Miranda probably had a fling, as Jacob realises he's not good enough for her.

[Vertigo_1]

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
I know Patrick Weekes responded to someone on twitter and said that it certainly hapened before ME2 (unfortunately we can't see messages on his account).

Yes, mentioned that before
The reason is is that he doesn't want to accidentally give out spoilers for ME3

Yeah 

Funny we should be discussing him because he's back!

twitter.com/#!/bellecanto114/status/111495569456902144
"To those who've inquired about what happened to Patrick's tweets - he's BAAAAAaaaaack... @PatrickWeekes. Welcome anew, Good Sir. :)"

[Melra]

Td1984 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I'd rather have Miri with Kaidan, even though he's bit boring at times, but still I'd prefer him over Shepard, if I could just play as fem Shep and have interesting romance for her. Shepard had a bit going for him in ME1's beginning, before the list of silly things just piled up into big load of... silly stuff.

If he could actually pull his lines in ''cool'' manner or have something unique in him, I'd be cool with his achievements. And I can't roleplay Shepard, my options or far too limited for that.

I mean... gosh, even Dante from Devil May Cry is more interesting character for me and his lines, while sometimes just.. so over the top, they're still better than any of the male shep's lines. I guess it just all comes down to VA and writing.

Oh I wish Matt Bomer did the voice of Shepard, hahahah.

No! No! No! The only three people I've hated on Chuck more than Bryce were Emmett, Shaw and Vivian. If I wanted somebody from Chuck doing the VA for Shep, I wouldn't have minded Adam Baldwin (though I would've preferred him voicing a character that replaced Jacob, as was suggested earlier), though at least he does Kal'Reegar.

Though I don't mind the fact Jacob and Miranda probably had a fling, as Jacob realises he's not good enough for her.

Well.. In both things... Yvonne's character has a man that doesn't deserve her character. Chuck is just... blaah, after season 3 I just can't look at him as awesum fellah. My main reason to play ME2/3 = Miri, my main reasons to watch Chuck = Yvonne+Adam Baldwin ( Matt Bomer was so cool in Chuck, but he's even better on his own show).

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
I know Patrick Weekes responded to someone on twitter and said that it certainly hapened before ME2 (unfortunately we can't see messages on his account).

Yes, mentioned that before
The reason is is that he doesn't want to accidentally give out spoilers for ME3

Yeah 

Funny we should be discussing him because he's back!

twitter.com/#!/bellecanto114/status/111495569456902144
"To those who've inquired about what happened to Patrick's tweets - he's BAAAAAaaaaack... @PatrickWeekes. Welcome anew, Good Sir. :)"

good news

[Omega4RelayResident]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Even though this thread has take some crazy turns ..... its not as bad as what is going on out there. Some fool is asking if Asari are capable of "breeding" with Husks / Reapers.

LOL.

Seriously, I think whoever asks that is just taking that moronic "omnisexuality" concept to its logical conclusion. I like most asari in the games as characters, but the species concept comes close to ruining the whole universe for me. 

Please do me a favor and stop hating the Asari for their omnisexuallaity... there are plenty of animals on our own planet that reproduce asexually or can even physiologically change their own gender to compensate for their communitys gender ratio... frogs, seahorses, some types of fish...

Asari sexualaity is actrually a rather tame deatail compared to some ways that certain creatures we know of reproduce... did you know that male fleas stab female fleas... im talking stabing like with a stake

Maybe the ME universe should have had a species that changes genders naturally every few years or due to a stimulus.... that could have been an LI for shep in the first ME... then when he comes back to life... "SURPRISE!"... please stop the xenophobia... i undestand how everyone has a right to opinions and all but this is sounding a little like unwarranted hate at the moment... particularly in light of creatures that live on our own planet that have odd reproduction methods or gender behavior

Maybe the Asari evolved from a creature that had the capability to change gender or what not... also the Asari are an ode to the Amazons of Homer's tales.... you know an all female society.... but they had to make it believable so they tweaked their reproduction method

I have seen multiple post about you bashing Asari and all the Asari bashing was kinda off-topic its just getting a little tiresome to hear so much negativity... please

[Omega4RelayResident]

Ieldra2 wrote...

elearon1 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

enayasoul wrote...
What if Miranda, sole purpose was to use that guy with the clean medical record for "reconstructing Shepard" before ME2?

doubt it....dont read that far into it.....she went over there to get laid....

Seriously, I don't understand people's obsession with the fear that Miranda was having sex before their characters hooked up.  I, for one, wouldn't believe - nor want - her to be a virgin.  For all they are touted as the "greatest thing since sex itself", virgins are clumsy, lacking self confidence, and overall not very good in bed.  I would much rather have someone who knew how to please me, and what she needed to please herself in return.

Obviously not everyone wants to think about the people their current love interest has had sex with; but if you're fixating on that, that's really a problem with you - not her character. 

I would be dumbfounded if someone as self confident and attractive as Miranda had not had sex prior to hooking up with Shepard ... especially considering her and Jacob used to be a thing. (and I doubt Jacob would have missed his chance at tha priiiize)

It's pure and plain jealousy by proxy, nothing more. I don't think many people seriously believe Miranda has no sexual experience, though there was some debate on the first Miranda thread, touched off by ToshiStation38 who insisted it's plausible Miranda is a virgin, and after ComTrav posted that unfortunate but unforgettable motivational that appears to be offline now.

Well it was not unfounded jelousy for me. My main point was to ask if this was happening during the relationship or prior.

I mentioned I felt a stab of jelousy... but that was my irrational side but also the side of me that does not want to get hurt.

I mentioned that I felt like "WTF!"... but that was my side that has been conditioned by society and the media to judge poorly of sexual promiscuity... social conditioning... no matter how liberated a person is it can make a comeback and make you hate yourself

Then I went on to express that I feel joy at the fact that I am dating a mature and liberated woman... which is a great thing to come accross

So it was not just one emotion it was multiple and I wanted perspective on the feelings other people had concerning this subject

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 07 septembre 2011 - 06:50 .

[MisterJB]

Please, an all-female race that can sexually reproduce with any species? The entire Asari race is pure fanservice.
And they have unfair advantages when compared to the other races. Their culture is slowly swallowying the entire Galaxy because their method of reproduction allows them to infiltrate other cultures.

Melrache wrote...
Chuck is just... blaah, after season 3 I just can't look at him as awesum fellah.

For me, it's exactly the opposite. I started to like Chuck during Season 3. You know, when he actually wants to become a spy, work besides Sarah and do great things with the Intersect. Add to that a threatening and convicing villain (Shaw) and Season 3 was easily my favorite.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

I don't mind filling in gaps (no one takes my Hawke away from me). I mind the canonical traits being things I despise. And your RP options are actually fairly limited, especially in the second game. It's much easier to imagine Liara/Miranda than tweak Shepard to my liking.

The one feature from DA2 that I wish was in ME2 is the friend/rival system. It would make more sense to me to have a friendly Miranda be warmer to Shepard (think post-Freedom's Progress) while a rival Miranda would be more like the one we meet on Lazarus Station.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

Yes that uninteresting Shepard. A dull, stupid soldier who lacks even the most basic curiosity, completely shrugs off his death (and we're never given a good reason why he has to be brought back), defaults to blowing stuff up or making speeches that can convince anyone of anything despite said speeches not being well-written, and seems to carry around a reality warping device so things always go his way.

No, I don't want him with Miranda.

some unfavourable writing does not make the character bad. The upside of an rpg style blank slate character is also it's biggest weakness: at least shephas some defining traits. Personally i have no problem getting past a few shortcomings in writing when mentally defining shepard - by then Miranda is one of the few characters on at least a semi-equal status having done the same fir them.

compared to kaiden/Jacob he's just about the most interesting person in the galaxy btw.

[Jebel Krong]

[quote]elearon1 wrote...

[quote]Melrache wrote...
But meh Shepard is kinda uninteresting character as well, I think Miri just likes boring guys.[/quote]

Shepard, the baddass, alternately charming/sass talking (wo)man who got Promethean tech beamed directly into his brain and was able to use that to discover - not only the remains of a Promethean base - but the existance of an unfathomably ancient race of sentient machines bent on world domination.  Who scowered far flung worlds, discovering forgotten remants of lost colonies, uprooting mercenary pirates, defeating rogue AIs, and killing every conceivable Geth threat that could be thrown at him.  The (wo)man who - after defeating an Asari Matriarch in personal combat - used the knowledge (s)he gained to then organize resistance against an invading Geth war fleet, a member of said ancient machine race, and an indoctrinated Spectre.  

That "uninteresting" Shepard? 

Yeah, she's got low standards.  [/quote]

Not to mention the back-story (of which only the 'renegade' version is ill-defined) - N7 ops etc...

[/quote]

[Ieldra]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Even though this thread has take some crazy turns ..... its not as bad as what is going on out there. Some fool is asking if Asari are capable of "breeding" with Husks / Reapers.

LOL.

Seriously, I think whoever asks that is just taking that moronic "omnisexuality" concept to its logical conclusion. I like most asari in the games as characters, but the species concept comes close to ruining the whole universe for me. 

Please do me a favor and stop hating the Asari for their omnisexuallaity... there are plenty of animals on our own planet that reproduce asexually or can even physiologically change their own gender to compensate for their communitys gender ratio... frogs, seahorses, some types of fish...

Asari sexualaity is actrually a rather tame deatail compared to some ways that certain creatures we know of reproduce... did you know that male fleas stab female fleas... im talking stabing like with a stake

Maybe the ME universe should have had a species that changes genders naturally every few years or due to a stimulus.... that could have been an LI for shep in the first ME... then when he comes back to life... "SURPRISE!"... please stop the xenophobia... i undestand how everyone has a right to opinions and all but this is sounding a little like unwarranted hate at the moment... particularly in light of creatures that live on our own planet that have odd reproduction methods or gender behavior

Maybe the Asari evolved from a creature that had the capability to change gender or what not... also the Asari are an ode to the Amazons of Homer's tales.... you know an all female society.... but they had to make it believable so they tweaked their reproduction method

I have seen multiple post about you bashing Asari and all the Asari bashing was kinda off-topic its just getting a little tiresome to hear so much negativity... please

I will most definitely not do you that favor. This goes beyond changing sex and reproducing asexually. Reproducing with different species, bah. Do you know that the ability to reproduce with others of the same group is part of the very definition of the term "species"? Asari omnisexuality is moronic, fanservice with all plausibility pushed out the window, and yes, I hate them for it and will continue to do so.  

But you're right that this is off-topic. So....