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[flemm]

Take ya pick!

Love that scene...

[Ieldra]

elearon1 wrote...
Well, *My* Shepard is an interesting person, who did explore all those remote planets out of curiosity; who chose her actions from a strong character design (I never used all paragon or renegade options - but what made sense for my character under the circumstances); who made hard moral decisions; struggles with the loss of friends; buries the nagging questions about her resurrection beneath a heavy workload; and has very complex socio-political views on the way things are going in the galaxy right now.

Part of playing a roleplaying game is filling in the gaps, not scripted by the writers, for yourself.

Right, but the problem with a semi-defined protagonist is when you dislike the defined parts. I try to play an interesting Shepard, but it's quite hard when I have to literally ignore a few things he says. For instance, at the Collector base my Shepard would never, ever say "I'll blow this place sky-high": And some of the persuasion options are moronic on both sides, but by using a different option you deprive yourself of Paragon/Renegade points and consequently from using other persuasion options in future. The game pushes you into playing a one-sided character without any subtlely. And Miranda would not be attracted to such a one. 

That's why I find it hard to play an interesting Shepard. I have gotten better at it, but some lines I can't avoid never fail to annoy me.

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[flemm]

Heh, it's interesting reading everybody's opinion on this. I find that I ignore Shepard for the most part and just use him as a vehicle for experiencing the game world. Just a RPG habit, I guess.

[Melra]

[quote]Jebel Krong wrote...

[quote]elearon1 wrote...

[quote]Melrache wrote...
But meh Shepard is kinda uninteresting character as well, I think Miri just likes boring guys.[/quote]

Shepard, the baddass, alternately charming/sass talking (wo)man who got Promethean tech beamed directly into his brain and was able to use that to discover - not only the remains of a Promethean base - but the existance of an unfathomably ancient race of sentient machines bent on world domination.  Who scowered far flung worlds, discovering forgotten remants of lost colonies, uprooting mercenary pirates, defeating rogue AIs, and killing every conceivable Geth threat that could be thrown at him.  The (wo)man who - after defeating an Asari Matriarch in personal combat - used the knowledge (s)he gained to then organize resistance against an invading Geth war fleet, a member of said ancient machine race, and an indoctrinated Spectre.  

That "uninteresting" Shepard? 

Yeah, she's got low standards.  [/quote]

Not to mention the back-story (of which only the 'renegade' version is ill-defined) - N7 ops etc...

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Oh maaai gaaad, N7. It matters as much to me as Y7 or Z3. Nada, I haven't seen anything N7ish other than Shepard. Well Anderson, but I mean in action. You need more than cool ''code'' to make something effective/special

[Vertigo_1]

Melrache wrote...
Oh maaai gaaad, N7. It matters as much to me as Y7 or Z3. Nada, I haven't seen anything N7ish other than Shepard. Well Anderson, but I mean in action. You need more than cool ''code'' to make something effective/special

Pretty sure more N7 stuff will be out in ME3 considering Kai Leng (and maybe someone else too) make their debut

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 07 septembre 2011 - 08:36 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Melrache wrote...
Oh maaai gaaad, N7. It matters as much to me as Y7 or Z3. Nada, I haven't seen anything N7ish other than Shepard. Well Anderson, but I mean in action. You need more than cool ''code'' to make something effective/special

Pretty sure more N7 stuff will be out in ME3 considering Kai Leng (and maybe someone else too) make their debut

It was hinted that Kahlee and Gillian would make an appearence in ME3 but never confirmed. That kinda makes me sad. I was hopefull to possibly see Miranda blush with jelousy if she ever would meet Gillian or Khalee.

[enayasoul]

Why would Miranda blush with jealousy if she ever met Gillian or Khalee? I don't understand.

[Shotokanguy]

jtav wrote...

Yes that uninteresting Shepard. A dull, stupid soldier who lacks even the most basic curiosity, completely shrugs off his death (and we're never given a good reason why he has to be brought back), defaults to blowing stuff up or making speeches that can convince anyone of anything despite said speeches not being well-written, and seems to carry around a reality warping device so things always go his way.

No, I don't want him with Miranda.

Heh, I think you're exaggerating. I completely understand what people are trying to get at when they talk about Shepard's writing lacking those true character defining moments and there not being enough moments like his talk with Liara at the end of LotSB...

But the debate about Shepard being dumb isn't worth getting into - he's obviously intelligent to some degree. I'm not sure what the curiosity comment means, since you spend 50% of the time in conversations asking questions. Any Lazarus Project related complaints would be something I agree with, but I still hold out hope that there will be reason to go over it again in ME3. People seem to be raising that point more and more as ME3 comes closer. 

Defaults to blowing stuff up? Now we're getting silly. It's an action game and you play as a soldier. The speeches aren't well written? Maybe you mean they don't stir something within your soul, which is fine, but there's nothing wrong with the writing. A person can say any number of things at the times Shepard is giving a speech, so it could just be a matter of opinion regarding what words you would've chosen.

Now, just what do you mean by him carrying a reality warping device?

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

Picture time while I wait for my newly purchased DLC to download.

[Omega4RelayResident]

enayasoul wrote...

Why would Miranda blush with jealousy if she ever met Gillian or Khalee? I don't understand.

Gillian is the pinacle of Biotic power in the ME universe... Thats why Cerberus is currently hunting her down and not Jack... Gillian's power rivals the power of some Asari Matriarchs. If you remember correctly in ME2 remember when the Quarians tell you about a young human biotic on the floatilla and Cerberus comming after her attacking the Quarians?.... That was Gillian

Kahlee is argued to be the second most influetial person in the ME universe... but the gamers that dont read the books dont feel that way and I dont blame them for that. If they knew what she has done they would agree. In fact it coulp be hyothesized that Kahlee is someone Miranda looks up to and aspires to be.

That is all kind of off topic though

[Omega4RelayResident]

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

*snip*

Picture time while I wait for my newly purchased DLC to download.

Which DLC?

[Sepewrath]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Right, but the problem with a semi-defined protagonist is when you dislike the defined parts. I try to play an interesting Shepard, but it's quite hard when I have to literally ignore a few things he says. For instance, at the Collector base my Shepard would never, ever say "I'll blow this place sky-high": And some of the persuasion options are moronic on both sides, but by using a different option you deprive yourself of Paragon/Renegade points and consequently from using other persuasion options in future. The game pushes you into playing a one-sided character without any subtlely. And Miranda would not be attracted to such a one. 

That's why I find it hard to play an interesting Shepard. I have gotten better at it, but some lines I can't avoid never fail to annoy me.

No one forces you to play that way, you CHOOSE to play that way. And Miranda seems the type to respect someone with conviction, someone who stands behind their ideals. Not some flip flopping, fence sitter, who has no idea who they want to be. No one should respect someone like that. If you noticed, she's like that, she believes in what she believes in and she will stand firm(well until the very end at least) in the face of contrary beliefs.

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

*snip*

Picture time while I wait for my newly purchased DLC to download.

Which DLC?

Genesis, Arrival, Kasumi, Shadow Broker, Overlord. :3

[Omega4RelayResident]

OMG.... um if you do Overlord and you are squeemish get a bucket

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

OMG.... um if you do Overlord and you are squeemish get a bucket

I have a squeemish level that exists in the negative range.

[MisterJB]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Gillian is the pinacle of Biotic power in the ME universe...

Miranda is not the type to be jealous just because someone has more Biotic power, case in point, Jack, Samara, Liara.

Kahlee is argued to be the second most influetial person in the ME universe... but the gamers that dont read the books dont feel that way and I dont blame them for that. If they knew what she has done they would agree. 

I read the books and I don't agree.

In fact it coulp be hyothesized that Kahlee is someone Miranda looks up to and aspires to be. 

You can't be serious.
Let's see: Kahlee, so far, has managed to rely almost entirely either on her father or Anderson; was fooled by Cerberus operatives three times and I've lost count of how many times she was subdued in a fight and had to be rescued.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 septembre 2011 - 12:48 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

More Miri Pics!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 septembre 2011 - 12:55 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

MisterJB wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Gillian is the pinacle of Biotic power in the ME universe...

Miranda is not the type to be jealous just because someone has more Biotic power, case in point, Jack, Samara, Liara.

Kahlee is argued to be the second most influetial person in the ME universe... but the gamers that dont read the books dont feel that way and I dont blame them for that. If they knew what she has done they would agree. 

I read the books and I don't agree.

In fact it coulp be hyothesized that Kahlee is someone Miranda looks up to and aspires to be. 

You can't be serious.
Let's see: Kahlee, so far, has managed to rely almost entirely either on her father or Anderson; was fooled by Cerberus operatives three times and I've lost count of how many times she was subdued in a fight and had to be rescued.

And BioWare stated that Kahlee was the second most influential person out there... um did you forget about her confrontation with Aria? Thats all the evidence I need in my corner.... Chris Priestly says Kahlee is influental so she is. I dont want to argue... especially about this in this thread... but I read everything that is out so far and she has done a lot of good for the Alliance.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 08 septembre 2011 - 01:16 .

[flemm]

Well, my opinion of the whole Kahlee situation is... no, who am I kidding, I have no opinion on this, it's all going way over my head, and clearly I need to read some novels.
Nice pics, though. The pics I understand

Modifié par flemm, 08 septembre 2011 - 01:17 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

flemm wrote...

Well, my opinion of the whole Kahlee situation is... no, who am I kidding, I have no opinion on this, it's all going way over my head, and clearly I need to read some novels.
Nice pics, though. The pics I understand

The novels are entertaining and informative on some background stuff. However they make you metagame the game like crazy. I was on the edge of hating TIM or loving him... after I read about what happened to him during the First Contact War I could no longer trust him... instinctually I never kept the CB and I thank the (FILL IN THE BLANK) that my instincts told me not to.

But once again .... Off Topic

[Omega4RelayResident]

Do you think the size of this thread versus the other character support threads may influence BioWares decision as to how to erite the story? Or do you think they wont pay attention to this at all.... and give Miri lovers the shaft?

[flemm]

This thread? Nah. Except in the sense that, sure, Miranda is one of the more popular characters around, but I doubt this thread is the first they've heard of it.

Barring some uncertainty as to Yvonne's participation or availability, I expect Miranda's role in ME3 was probably decided long ago, as was the size of the shaft we may or may not be receiving

Modifié par flemm, 08 septembre 2011 - 01:31 .

[MisterJB]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
um did you forget about her confrontation with Aria? Thats all the evidence I need in my corner.... 

Really? And why is it that having a confrontation with Aria makes her the second most influential character in the series?

Chris Priestly says Kahlee is influental so she is.I read everything that is out so far and she has done a lot of good for the Alliance.

Only because she has been in all books as a central character. However, Kahlee hasn't done anything that impressive.
In the first book, she partially discovered what Qian was doing but that still didn't stop Saren from contacting Sovereign.
Second book, she convinced Grayson to betray Cerberus which, eventually payed off, so point for her. But she would have been captured by the Collectors along with Gillian if it wasn't for the Quarian Lemm' something.
Third book, passed Cerberus info to Anderso, studied some Cerberus experiments on Grayson was it was her that figured out where he was going.
And, I believe that's it.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 septembre 2011 - 01:35 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

flemm wrote...

This thread? Nah. Except in the sense that, sure, Miranda is one of the more popular characters around, but I doubt this thread is the first they've heard of it.

Well I meant that this thread is twice the size of any of the other support threads... it makes you wonder if we would get what we want since we are clearly so far in the majority.

[flemm]

Well, my opinion is clearly borderline worthless, so grains of salt and everything, but I expect it was all decided prior to this thread even being created. Again, barring some doubt about the extent of Yvonne's participation, which anyway is obviously irrelevant to this thread.

Modifié par flemm, 08 septembre 2011 - 01:35 .