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[Omega4RelayResident]

alxboss78 wrote...

Not to be one to look a horse in the mouth, but i meant a Miranda photoshoot. Not necessarily scantily clothed. I meant full on costume with catsuit and a wig. Yvonne being Miranda.

Now of course I personally i would take any day of the week a phtoshoot like the one she did for Maxim, i was just mentioning that i found it weird that Bioware isn't taking advantage of the fact that one of their main characters looks exactly like a really beautiful and somewhat well known actress. That's all...

I hear ya... maybe its just too soon

[Omega4RelayResident]

I realy love this image.... it feels like it is meant to be.

[Ieldra]

force192 wrote...
Okay Miranda fans what are you more attracted to, her mind/personality or her body? be honest.

Personality and body cannot be separated from one another in Miranda's case.

I like her personality - her competence, her moral ambiguity, her pragmatism, her loyalty to those she cares for, and her drive to work for the advancement of humanity. But I think her attractiveness is an intrinsic part of her as well. She's genetically improved and that influences her personality in a way that she wouldn't be the same person without it. Given that it would make no sense to make a genetically improved woman unattractive, I say her attractiveness is inseparable from what she is as a person, beyond the obvious fanservice.

@Omega4RelayResident:
That link gave me a "file not found" message.


 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 septembre 2011 - 09:00 .

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...
Oh well, to me she's somewhat equal to Shepard, but after she's dealt with her ''issues'' and moves on, she'll be above him.

My main Shepard considers Miranda more important for humanity's future than himself. Of course he still hopes they'll both survive and that she'll have him.

[Ieldra]

ubermensch007 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...
They're both totally badass. That's enough for me. ;3

Yes, but Miranda is badass and smart, something you can't always say about Shepard, regardless of how you play him. That's why I tend to identify more with Miranda than with Shepard at times, and that's why the mere idea of Miranda romancing someone else isn't as anathema to me as it appears to be for most people here.

So your dissing Shepard b/c he has "brain farts" every now and then like a real human being does?

No, I'm criticizing that the parts of Shepard defined by the game threaten to destroy the character I want to envision him as. I don't want to play an unsubtle action hero whose sole modus operandi is to blow things up and who doesn't stop to think a second about the miraculous fact he's been brought from the dead, preferring to comment on that with "I got better".

As for Miranda, all I can do is try to play my Shepard in a way that makes Miranda's attraction to him believable. And that is hard mental work.

[Ieldra]

force192 wrote...
have you guy's ran out of thing to discus that your now talking about if Miranda can get pregnant.

Miranda is genetically improved and being canonically infertile would mean she cannot pass on her improved traits naturally. Of course that's an important topic to discuss, quite separately from romance considerations btw. 

Of course I am aware of the fact that any of her improved traits would breed out after a few generations, but it's the symbolism that counts, and the way the story treats the potential of genetic engineering as a human enhancement technology. I would want a positive outlook to exist for that at the end of ME3, and thus want Miranda to be fertile or  find a way to circumvent her infertility through technology, resulting in the potential for offspring without that flaw.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 septembre 2011 - 09:39 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

The lack of Miri pics is saddening.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Ieldra2 wrote...

force192 wrote...
Okay Miranda fans what are you more attracted to, her mind/personality or her body? be honest.

Personality and body cannot be separated from one another in Miranda's case.

I like her personality - her competence, her moral ambiguity, her pragmatism, her loyalty to those she cares for, and her drive to work for the advancement of humanity. But I think her attractiveness is an intrinsic part of her as well. She's genetically improved and that influences her personality in a way that she wouldn't be the same person without it. Given that it would make no sense to make a genetically improved woman unattractive, I say her attractiveness is inseparable from what she is as a person, beyond the obvious fanservice.

@Omega4RelayResident:
That link gave me a "file not found" message.


 

What link on what page?

[GameBoyish]

I'll just leave this here.

[Ieldra]

This was posted on twitter. Guess who I mentioned in my reply....

Vertigo_1 wrote...
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/111250153171730432
"If you could save only ONE character from the Reapers... Who would it be?"

@Omega:
The DeviantArt link you posted in the second post on this page gives me a "file not found" message.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:23 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

Sorry it was a slight mixup when I made the post.... I messed up the BBCode.... someone quoted it and right afterwards I fixed it.... the file can be seen at the bottom of page 488...

[Ieldra]

That's totally different. From the name it rather appears to be this one:

[Omega4RelayResident]

I looked right at it and it was there.... others saw it too...

here try this

http://fc09.devianta...by_AidanZon.jpg

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 08 septembre 2011 - 12:42 .

[elearon1]

>>Personality and body cannot be separated from one another in Miranda's case.<<

Agreed, Miranda's personality is influenced by her appearance - as is anyone's whether they want to admit it or not. Would I want an ugly Miranda? Of course not. But neither would I want an attractive Miranda with a weaker personality. People are packages of psychological and physical traits - you can't just separate one and expect the other to remain intact.

>>I don't want to play an unsubtle action hero whose sole modus operandi is to blow things up and who doesn't stop to think a second about the miraculous fact he's been brought from the dead, preferring to comment on that with "I got better".<<

I just don't see it. Perhaps I'm better at taking the stuff I like and ignoring the rest, but I like my Shepard. Yes, she is unsubtle and in your face at times ... she's a marine ... but that doesn't mean she isn't thinking and wondering about the things happening to her. Do I need a scene where she sits down and talks about her philosophical perspective of being brought back from the dead to imagine she thinks about these things? Personally, I'd rather not have that scene and let it play out in my imagination the way I feel my Shep would react ... can you imagine how many times she sat in front of her computer screen and started writing that letter back to her mother to tell her she was alive? How many times she wondered if she should ... considering she might not come back from this next mission? Don't you think she wondered who showed up to her funeral, and what it was like ... and how she should feel about that? Of course she went through all that! But nothing the animators or writers did to capture that could be remotely as powerful as the image I have in my mind of her sitting in front of her computer with a glass of whiskey (dark whiskey, no ice), the lights turned low until the glow from her console and the fish tank washed out the faint pulse of her overhead bulb, blues playing in the background, while she stared at a letter she'd written and erased a dozen times ... the only words she could settle on being, "Dear Mom" ....

And yeah, she makes mistakes, gets a little pushy when people ****** her off - sometimes jumps the gun before thinking ... but she's got a lot on her plate and it isn't getting any lighter. She comes back from death to find her friends have all broken up and the fate of humanity rests on her shoulders ... anyone is going to get a bit edgy because of that.

But she also loves sitting and listening to Kasumi's tales of her great heists, or Zaeed's harrowing - and not just a little grisly - adventures. The three of them spend more time in that bar, after everyone else has gone to sleep, talking and laughing and taking good natured jabs at one another ... because in a way they understand her the best. They know what it's like, being on the edge and worrying about getting close to anyone ... and unlike everyone else who is here to make a point or fight some final battle, they're just here for the money and that makes talking to them a lot less complicated.

And she worries about her relationship with Liara ... things happened on Illium that opened her eyes to how different they are ... how fleeting her life is in the thousand years Liara might well live.

And she wonders about Anderson and if she did the right thing in saddling him with the responsibilities and headaches he deals with now.

And when she walks into the engine room, she pauses an extra moment to watch Tali work, because she's been nursing an unrequited crush on that girl since their first adventure.

She laughs at Joker's jokes, spends time brainstorming with Miranda, drinks with Chakwas while telling her about Mordin's singing and discussing Grunt's origins, then ends each day with a long, cool shower during which EDI has strict instructions to allow no interruptions.

And all this happens without me needing the game to spell it out for me.

So no matter how the game might throw me a curveball from time to time, I like my Shepard ... and if she decides to pursue Miranda in the next game, not only do I have every confidence she'll succeed - I have confidence that she is more than worthy of that relationship.

Modifié par elearon1, 08 septembre 2011 - 01:03 .

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

As per the armored picture on page 489, I have to say I approve. That is extremely sexy, and I like the thought of having her hair up during missions. I can picture her coming to Shepard's cabin after the mission and throwing him onto his bed, straddling him, and letting her hair down so that it just tumbles down her shoulders.

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Melrache wrote...
Oh well, to me she's somewhat equal to Shepard, but after she's dealt with her ''issues'' and moves on, she'll be above him.

My main Shepard considers Miranda more important for humanity's future than himself. Of course he still hopes they'll both survive and that she'll have him.

Well in many ways, she probably is, in the long run. The more time goes on, the more i just want to finish ME3 with Shepard dying at the head of Normandy doing something actually heroic and useful. Miri won't be onboard ofc.

Mmm... Normandy breaking off from rest of the fleet, charging head on into the enemy and doing something, that tips the tide with Shockwave Sound - Call for Heroes playing on the background as Normandy takes fire, gets badly damaged and takes collision course with Harbinger. Kabooooosh!

Battlestar Pegasus style, but with no survivors. :innocent:

Modifié par Melrache, 08 septembre 2011 - 01:55 .

[flemm]

elearon1 wrote...

>>Personality and body cannot be separated from one another in Miranda's case.<<

Agreed. It's a false choice. That said, I will say this: the character's personality matters to me, as does Yvonne's influence as the model and voice for the character. Other, more superficial aspects of the character's appearance, such as the uniform or outfit she wears, hairstyle or whatever... those don't really matter on the same level. So, the character could look a lot different, and it wouldn't really matter much.

[primoULTIMO]

I personally liked the character of Shepard. Don't forget that sci-fi in general is built around these types of stereotype 'heroes'. In fact I actually found my cannon paragade Shepard as one of the most believable characters in science fiction. I'm sure everyone does as much 'brain farts' as he does in real life.

My point is that it is just a game, don't take it too seriously. The character is meant to be 'fun'. He/she wouldn't be as entertaining if they didn't blow stuff up or if stayed questioning the meaning of life every 10 secs. I personally think elearon1's approach of 'assuming' that he/she thinks about events (such as the lazarus project) is spot on.

[jtav]

Personality. The tech isn't really there to create a truly attractive human, and i don't find Strahovski appealing.

[primoULTIMO]

flemm wrote...

Agreed. It's a false choice. That said, I will say this: the character's personality matters to me, as does Yvonne's influence as the model and voice for the character. Other, more superficial aspects of the character's appearance, such as the uniform or outfit she wears, hairstyle or whatever... those don't really matter on the same level. So, the character could look a lot different, and it wouldn't really matter much.

This! Spot on

[jtav]

primoULTIMO wrote...

I personally liked the character of Shepard. Don't forget that sci-fi in general is built around these types of stereotype 'heroes'. In fact I actually found my cannon paragade Shepard as one of the most believable characters in science fiction. I'm sure everyone does as much 'brain farts' as he does in real life.

My point is that it is just a game, don't take it too seriously. The character is meant to be 'fun'. He/she wouldn't be as entertaining if they didn't blow stuff up or if stayed questioning the meaning of life every 10 secs. I personally think elearon1's approach of 'assuming' that he/she thinks about events (such as the lazarus project) is spot on.

Not sci-fi in general, but a particular genre that I discovered after the fact I can't stand. I have nothhing but contempt for heroes like Shepard. Deus Ex is also fun, but thoughtfulness and intelligence are rewarded and Jensen actually cares what was done to him without becoming a ball of wangst.

[elearon1]

jtav wrote...
Not sci-fi in general, but a particular genre that I discovered after the fact I can't stand. I have nothhing but contempt for heroes like Shepard. Deus Ex is also fun

Then it's probably fair to say Mass Effect isn't for you - or being marketing to you.  Nothing wrong with that, plenty of fine games out there I don't like do to personal taste either.  Deus Ex is also a good game, though I think it a bit disingenuous the way it sets you up to think you can specialize in hacking and stealth and do just fine - not warning you about the big boss fights which require combat skill and training to succeed in. (rather than giving you opportunities to use those stealth and hacking skills you'd been putting all your points in to some advantage)

Hopefully ME4 (or whatever they end up calling the game after 3) will be more in line with what you're looking for. 

Modifié par elearon1, 08 septembre 2011 - 02:53 .

[Melra]

Just because you dislike main character, doesn't mean you can't enjoy other parts of the game. It's personal thing.

I don't think it'll be Mass Effect after third. Mass Effect is Shepard's story, that's how they've marketed it.

[elearon1]

Melrache wrote...
Just because you dislike main character, doesn't mean you can't enjoy other parts of the game. It's personal thing.
I don't think it'll be Mass Effect after third. Mass Effect is Shepard's story, that's how they've marketed it.

They've said they intend to continue with the ME universe after Shepard's story is done, and Mass Effect is a recognizable brand name, so I imagine they'll keep it ... they may call it "Mass Effect: Legacy" or whatever, but I suspect it'll still have the ME name on it.

As for playing a game wherein you dislike the PC ... I couldn't do it myself, if I can't enjoy playing the character I won't enjoy the game. 

[Ieldra]

primoULTIMO wrote...
I personally liked the character of Shepard. Don't forget that sci-fi in general is built around these types of stereotype 'heroes'. In fact I actually found my cannon paragade Shepard as one of the most believable characters in science fiction. I'm sure everyone does as much 'brain farts' as he does in real life.

Sci-fi in general? I would recommend you read books by C J Cherryh, C S Friedman, Alastair Reynolds, Paul McAuley, Tanith Lee, Julian May, Janny Wurts, to name a few. I don't mind larger-than-life protagonists, in fact, I like and prefer the type, but I don't like unreflective characters incapable of subtlely. At least we have LotSB - that made some desperately needed adjustments to Shepard.

My point is that it is just a game, don't take it too seriously. The character is meant to be 'fun'. He/she wouldn't be as entertaining if they didn't blow stuff up or if stayed questioning the meaning of life every 10 secs. I personally think elearon1's approach of 'assuming' that he/she thinks about events (such as the lazarus project) is spot on.

We're not talking about "every 10 minutes". Compare Deus Ex:Human Revolution - after the first mission, the protagonist is asked by an NPC how he feels about having been augmented without his consent. You have three options to answer, being angry about it, matter-of-factly or appreciating it. I would have wished something like that for Shepard and his being brought back from the dead. One single small dialogue can't be too much to ask, right?

I'm a roleplayer. I'm used to expanding my characters' personalities in my mind. But I expect the game to give me a minimum to work with and most of all, give me a way to opt out of certain stereotypical action hero traits. Imagine you would want to play a Shepard with a mindset similar to Kaidan's.....the game makes that extremely hard.

Having said all that, my imagination is strong enough that these things don't ruin the game for me - I just have to ignore a few things and pretend Shepard hasn't said them. But I resent that the games make that task so hard. An RPG should support players in fleshing out their characters in their minds.

And this is definitely enough OT stuff for now.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 septembre 2011 - 04:30 .