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[Eyeshield21]

what do you think is likely to happen? any guess is good, cause I have none.

[jtav]

Some people will be on the squad for a very long time, some for shorter period of time, and some will not be on the squad at all. Romance will have nothing to do with this.

[Eyeshield21]

hmm, Bioware has a lot of work to do, though it would be kinda cool if my idea happened, but then so much more work and voice acting would be needed( and that's a lot)

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 11 septembre 2011 - 10:26 .

[flemm]

The idea that romance will determine squad member status for certain characters gets thrown around from time to time, but I don't think it's plausible (or even a good idea).

Miranda will be doing whatever she is doing in the game, and everybody will experience that, except those who import games where she died during the SM. If romance is flagged, then I suppose the game will recognize that, and open up more/different dialogue options, but I expect that will be the only adjustment related to romantic involvement in ME2. That's how I see it going down, at any rate.

Modifié par flemm, 11 septembre 2011 - 10:31 .

[Eyeshield21]

true, it'd be a lot more confusing

[Eyeshield21]

wait so it will kinda be like LoTSB? in a way?

[flemm]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

wait so it will kinda be like LoTSB? in a way?

Well, LotSB has been talked about somewhat as the model for how conversations will work in ME3, so yeah, that is reasonably plausible, I think. (Conversation and other things, such as squadmate A.I.)

EDIT: Minimum involvement for a character like Miranda (and a few other characters) will be a heavily scripted set of missions like LotSB, I think. With Miranda, I think it is definitely possible that there will be significantly more than that, maybe a lot more. But that would be the minimum. Anyway, as far as how the flow of the story works, I expect LotSB is probably the closest thing we have to a preview of ME3.

Modifié par flemm, 11 septembre 2011 - 10:40 .

[Eyeshield21]

oh cool, cause the way Bioware said it just made me think there would be a lot less roles for ME3, but this is better, if it happens in the end of development

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

WOW! An amazing shot of our Goddess:wub:!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 11 septembre 2011 - 10:47 .

[flemm]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

oh cool, cause the way Bioware said it just made me think there would be a lot less roles for ME3, but this is better, if it happens in the end of development

In what way? Because there has been a lot of talk about the squad being smaller. But also that it will work differently, with perhaps no permanent squad members at all. They've also said everyone will be returning in some capacity, even the DLC characters.

For part of LotSB, Liara is the lead NPC without actually being on the squad (she later joins it), which looks pretty similar to the demo we have seen of Mordin's mission in ME3 (he seems to be accompanying the squad, but in addition to the two normal squad members).

Modifié par flemm, 11 septembre 2011 - 10:49 .

[Eyeshield21]

true, but im sure they had these type of conversations about a billion times in dev.

[flemm]

d140 wrote...
but it is unfair that miranda does not have an important role in me3

Well, we don't know much about what type of role she has. It's more the style of LotSB that is a point of comparison.

Modifié par flemm, 11 septembre 2011 - 11:00 .

[naledgeborn]

[sarcastic optimism]

Stop worrying. I'm sure Miranda will be the focal point of Mass Effect 3. She will completely overshadow Shepard's struggle with the Reapers and his own humanity. Even the galaxy's fight for survival. She'll surely have a whole third of the game dedicated to her sexy spy awesomeness. In fact the Dark Horse interactive comic for ME3 will be all about how she brought Shepard back to life and helped him defeat the Collectors. That's all Bio Ware will tell people jumping into the franchise in the third game.

[/sarcastic optimism]

Seriously though. Stop worrying. There's no point when there's 6-5 months to go. They're going to do what they do and we'll either love them or hate them for it.

[Graceyn]

d140 wrote...

/snip

thanks for the picture <3

You're very welcome

[CuseGirl]

.....

Modifié par CuseGirl, 12 septembre 2011 - 12:10 .

[CuseGirl]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Miranda: I...You're rather philosophical for a Krogan aren't you?

Grunt: I read.

Miranda: Oh.

You forgot the air quotes :lol:

[Eyeshield21]

d140 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Miranda: I...You're rather philosophical for a Krogan aren't you?

Grunt: I read.

Miranda: Oh.

You forgot the air quotes :lol:

would be a good dialogue between them 2

I agree

[Eyeshield21]

jtav wrote...



Welcome to the Miranda in ME3 Support and Discussion Thread. Want Miranda to have a significant role in ME3? This is the place for you.

Miranda Lawson wishlist for ME3:

*Miranda is an independently competent woman whom Shepard can find an equal in within the constraints of the story being Shepard's story. We wish her to remain that or become more so. We wish her to walk at Shepard's side instead of just following as much as the story premise permits.

*Miranda is morally ambiguous with a strong pragmatic streak. While acknowledging that her character development in ME2 softens her somewhat, we wish that she retains that trait.

*We wish Miranda to have a significant role and significant screen presence in ME3's plot as well as in Shepard's life if they so choose. A significant role means at least as much interaction with Shepard as she had in ME2, and a part in the plot that is more than being a part of Shepard's team. Sacrificing some time on the team for a bigger role in the plot is acceptable, as long as that does not reduce the amount of possible interaction.

*We wish to develop the relationship with her further. Apart from a meaningful continuation of the romance, an option for a non-romantic friendship is highly desirable. If romanced, we wish that there are situations where Miranda helps Shepard, not only the other way like it was in ME2 (Compare the scene after the lockdown in ME1).

*Miranda has gone through some character development in ME2. We would like to see the result of that in ME3, and we wish her to continue growing as a character. In particular, we wish her to come to terms with her origins.

*We wish her to be a part of Shepard's team. Temporary absence for story purposes is acceptable, as long as that does not reduce the amount of  possible interaction.

*We want a badass cutscene that showcases her abilities.

*We wish for a believable love scene with some emotional depth, executed with the more extended choreography introduced by ME2, but the artistic style shown in ME1.

*We wish Miranda to have more interaction with other members of the team, and if there is a relationship between her and Shepard, we wish that other team members occasionally comment on it, as Kasumi and Liara already do.

*No objectifying ass shots. We like that Miranda is sexually experienced, but she is not a sex object.

*But we do want to see the femme fatale aspects described in the art book. Let her use her sex appeal as a weapon.

What we don't want to see in ME3:

*Miranda indoctrinated, particularly if it's something she can be persuaded out of rather than being cured by a medical/otherwise scientific procedure.

*Miranda reduced to nothing more than a victim. Anyone can be in peril, but Miranda should retain her initiative and competence. We don't want her arc to center around whatever misfortune may befall her, such as capture and torture or for her to be nothing more than a device to prove the villains are dangerous. If she gets in peril, she should make a good showing of herself and suffer no mental/emotional breakdown or suchlike, neither in the situation nor after getting out of it.

Will They or Won't They? -- Arguments for and Against Miranda Being a Permanent Squad Member in Mass Effect 3

Arguments for:

*She is the lead NPC of ME2. If you're going to bring back one squad member to represent ME2, it would be Miranda
*Most used squad member, which translates to most popular as far as metrics are concerned
*Miranda was a high ranking officer in Cerberus, which is now a major enemy.
*She likely has highest survival rate due to being almost impossible to kill by accident
*She's a reasonably popular LI

Arguments against:

*Hard or not, she can still be killed, as can everyone but Liara
*We're back with the Alliance. Miranda represented Cerberus. The Virmire Survivor seems to be replacing her as main human
*Ashley looks very similar. A casual player could confuse them. Are we going to have two people filling the "sexy human" role?
*She lacks the vocal fanbase of some characters.


Why do you like Miranda?
There are many different reasons why people like Miranda. Here are some of them. Note that the reasons for liking her as a character may differ from those for being attracted to her for a romance. I've tried to put the list in a descending order of importance, but there is some disagreement about the order, except for (1), which seems to be universal consensus among her fans.
(1) She’s an independently powerful and competent woman who can deal with her problems – professional or emotional – on her own (note: that doesn’t mean she doesn’t appreciate help). She’s the only female LI character who plays in the same league as Shepard. That makes her a perfect companion for him.
(2) She’s morally ambiguous. Black and white types tend to be predictable – and thus, often less interesting than those with grey morality. Her mental flexibility also means that she adapts better to situations where conventional morality just doesn't apply.
(3) She’s emotionally detached... - enough to be fascinating and refreshing, but not so much as to be unlikeable. All too often women in fiction are represented as more or less defined by their emotions. Miranda breaks that pattern. She can be professional; she can be coldly detached or coolly unmovable. She can also be emotional, but she’s not restricted to that.
(4) ...but does warm up to those she respects and trusts. Trust and (professional) respect are interwoven in her relationship to you. Once you've gained them, she becomes more open with you, and you know that's something special.
(5) She’s a “spy with superpowers”. This combination of power and mystery is irresistible to many of her fans.
(6) She's a woman, not a girl. Her grown-up and balanced personality attracts many fans.
(7) She's unapologetically sexual - and not presented as a sl*t because of it (forget the ass shots and pay attention to her behavior if you don't believe it). That's refreshing because more conventional stories like to paint a woman who enjoys sex - to say nothing of sex in engine rooms - in a more negative light.
(8) She's human. For those who find interspecies romance unconvincing, that’s an important aspect if you want to romance her.
(9) She’s engineered to be perfect. That makes her special in a way you cannot acquire by learning or even character development. While for some, that’s a point of attraction in itself, if you’re a transhumanist you might also be thrilled by the fact that she might be – dare I say it – the genetic destiny of humanity.
(10) She’s beautiful. This point is not as minor as people might want to make themselves believe. It’s not a necessary condition for liking her, but Miranda would be a different character if she were ugly. If you think she's not beautiful, look at these screenshots. one two three

What we know so far:

1. Miranda will be in ME3 in some form.
2. Her romance will have some kind of conclusion.
3. She has several scenes, per Mac Walters
4. Casey Hudson "hopes she's okay" implying some sort of trouble.
5. She "will have a large role" in ME3.

Possible endings for Miranda

(1) The Illusive Woman: Miranda takes over what remains of Cerberus and creates humanity's equivalent of the salarian STG from it.
(2) Into the Sunset: Miranda and Shepard lead an expedition into the unknown reaches of the galaxy, never to be seen again in Citadel space.
(3) The Foundation: Miranda inherits her father's fortune and uses it to develop Lazarus technology into something more widely available and develop other human enhancement technologies.

All are romance compatible. (2) requires a romance.


Suggested topics for discussion:

1. Temporary squadmate, permanent, or cameo? What do you want? What do you predict?
2. How has Miranda spent the time between games?
3. How might she affect the Cerberus plot?
4. What will the romance look like?

Resources
Miranda online dialogue tree
Mass Effect Wiki page
Fan-created FAQ

Mods

AAP armor with no visor

JeanLuc's High Resolution Miranda Ultra/ Optimized

this is a good pic