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[naledgeborn]

@ jtav. Wait, what? That almost sounds a lot like Revan vs Bastilla. No thanks, last time I played that game Obsidian butchered the sequel (it had potential to better than the first though).

Modifié par naledgeborn, 13 septembre 2011 - 12:41 .

[Arijharn]

To be fair with Obsidian (on at least that particular game), it was obvious that LucasArts was seriously pushing them with time. Mainly because the ending was like: "That's it?!"

[naledgeborn]

Arijharn wrote...

To be fair with Obsidian (on at least that particular game), it was obvious that LucasArts was seriously pushing them with time. Mainly because the ending was like: "That's it?!"

Oh I agree. If it weren't for time restraints Kreia could've been regarded as a literary achievement.

On topic: A Miranda/Shepard boss fight would seem forced and out of place unless you went out of your way to ****** her off in ME2 (non-loyal, forget about Oriana, Jack is right, TIM is scum ect).

Modifié par naledgeborn, 13 septembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[Arijharn]

I wouldn't mind a Miranda/Shephard boss fight actually. One where Miranda knows who shephard is but shephard doesn't know. Cue cheesy helmet removal reveal cinematic sequence. What I'd like to see though is a good reason for it that may not be necessarily cheesy, maybe even a form of coercion forced on her part, but hopefully not something as obvious as Oriana's safety hanging in the balance.

The result of the boss fight should be that Shephard beats her. Why? Because it's Shephard and is first and foremost a game and secondly, it's an excuse to see a 'boss fight' with a bit of a difference (i.e., one of the participants doesn't wind up dead.)

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
#3 is actually my preferred scenario. She's not in distress and I get my dream of a Miranda boss fight. And if there's something wrong with Shep that she's trying to fix, it gives her a reason to stay beyond being Shep's stray dog who's there because she has nowhere to go.

I wouldn't want it to get to an actual fight, because I don't find it plausible that Miranda might get from ally in ME2 to traitorous ex-ally and enemy and then back to trusted ally again after you've fought each other in this situation. Also I can see Miranda being convinced by TIM that Shepard is a danger, but I can't see her starting a fight without giving Shepard an opportunity to explain his viewpoint, or, if there's something wrong with him because of the technology used for his coming back from the dead, to submit to an examination.

In short, very likely I wouldn't be able to trust Miranda any more after an actual fight where she tried to kill Shepard. And I don't think she would start a fight with Shepard without exploring other options first, especially if romanced.

So yes, I like my option #3 where Miranda is convinced by TIM to go after Shepard, but no, I don't like the idea of a boss fight against Miranda.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 septembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[jtav]

Fighting someone before recruiting them has a long history in BW games. And if Miranda were to think Shepard is a liability in the war, she wouldn't hesitate to gun him/her down.

[Melra]

I hope it doesn't come to that. It makes sense to me only, if we're talking about some krogans. Other races are more civilized and most likely aren't after such ''display of powah''. And if Shepard was able to talk Miri down after she was defeated by him, then she wouldn't be the Miri I was lookign for.

I can't see her bowing down before brute force, before good reasoning yes, but not brute force.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...
I hope it doesn't come to that. It makes sense to me only, if we're talking about some krogans. Other races are more civilized and most likely aren't after such ''display of powah''. And if Shepard was able to talk Miri down after she was defeated by him, then she wouldn't be the Miri I was lookign for.

Definitely.

Having said that, possibly she would pretend to be convinced, but only to survive and strike again later, should her foolish opponent give her the opportunity. Which is exactly why I wouldn't be able to trust her after such a fight. 

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
And if Miranda were to think Shepard is a liability in the war, she wouldn't hesitate to gun him/her down.

I was going to answer but I think Ieldra already said everything.

Anyway, I wonder what will be Miranda's reaction if Omega really is destroyed for good in "Invasion".
Good ridance? Then again, there are innocent people living there.

[jtav]

What interests me more is that Aria might be a squaddie. Probably because she wants TIM's head on a platter. She and Miranda could be foils regarding the "what to do with Cerberus" question.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
And if Miranda were to think Shepard is a liability in the war, she wouldn't hesitate to gun him/her down.

Yes, but in that case losing the fight wouldn't be a factor in changing her mind. She would either explore other possibilities before a fight, or stick to what she thinks is right even after having lost. Unless other information comes in during the fight, but then she'd stop it on her own.

"Fight her into submission and then recruit her" will never be a convincing scenario with Miranda.

[flemm]

With the way ME2 unfolds, the whole "Miranda is an enemy at first" concept strikes me as unlikely. It might have been more likely had ME2 unfolded differently, but trust has been established at this point and Miranda is questioning her allegiance to Cerberus no matter what choices you make.

Some twist would have to be added, such as blackmail, but really, what would be the point of that when she is just going to become your ally again? I also don't think Miranda would respond to blackmail that way. She knows that this would never end, and that she would need to take the fight to TIM or basically become his slave, for all intents and purposes. So, honestly, the "he ****ed with Oriana, so now I'm going to kill him" scenario strikes me as more likely than the above.

Miranda believing Shepard is a liability, due to fallout from lazarus or whatever, yeah, maybe a bit more plausible, but still probably unlikely, given that much of Cerberus appears to be indoctrinated. Why would Miranda believe indoctrinated folks when they tell her Shep is the real threat?

Ieldra2 wrote...

"Fight her into submission and then
recruit her" will never be a convincing scenario with Miranda.

Agreed.

Modifié par flemm, 13 septembre 2011 - 02:02 .

[flemm]

Sorry, quoted instead of editing.

Modifié par flemm, 13 septembre 2011 - 02:01 .

[enayasoul]

flemm wrote...

With the way ME2 unfolds, the whole "Miranda is an enemy at first" concept strikes me as unlikely. It might have been more likely had ME2 unfolded differently, but trust has been established at this point and Miranda is questioning her allegiance to Cerberus no matter what choices you make.

Some twist would have to be added, such as blackmail, but really, what would be the point of that when she is just going to become your ally again? I also don't think Miranda would respond to blackmail that way. She knows that this would never end, and that she would need to take the fight to TIM or basically become his slave, for all intents and purposes. So, honestly, the "he ****ed with Oriana, so now I'm going to kill him" scenario strikes me as more likely than the above.

Miranda believing Shepard is a liability, due to fallout from lazarus or whatever, yeah, maybe a bit more plausible, but still probably unlikely, given that much of Cerberus appears to be indoctrinated. Why would Miranda believe indoctrinated folks when they tell her Shep is the real threat?

I agree with Flemm... I don't want another raven vs. bastilla battle...!  bioware has done this already!  I want something different and creatively done beyond what's been mentioned here.   

Yeah sure, tim could blackmail her but it will only ****** Miranda off because she's very protective of Oriana.  You don't harm a loved one without hell coming down on the person that's causing the problem.

Miranda would/should make sure Shepard succeeds in killing the Reapers with all the skills and tactical know how she has in that beautiful brain of hers.  That's what she was tasked to do, make sure shepard succeeded in taking out the Collectors. 

I am sure the writers will talk about what exactly happened in the Lazurus project.  I just hope it isn't something so cliche that he's a part-reaper   Humanity can beat the son-of-****es "Reapers" if they cooperated with the other races.




 

Modifié par enayasoul, 13 septembre 2011 - 02:22 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Pic!

Sorry, but Miri is very *ahem* adorable (that word isn't in my vocabulary most of the time).

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 13 septembre 2011 - 02:17 .

[jtav]

I rather liked Revan vs. Bastila. I'd kill to fight my LI and/or favorite character again. And I still think it's plausible. All that's required is some new info during the fight.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I rather liked Revan vs. Bastila. I'd kill to fight my LI and/or favorite character again. And I still think it's plausible. All that's required is some new info during the fight.

Oh, it could be done, and the thought has crossed my mind a time or two. All things considered, my feeling is it's unlikely. But you never know.

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

I rather liked Revan vs. Bastila. I'd kill to fight my LI and/or favorite character again. And I still think it's plausible. All that's required is some new info during the fight.

Maybe... if only for nostalgia's sake. I won't be swayed easily though. It has to make more than sense. If not, well... bad writing IMO.

[Melra]

naledgeborn wrote...

jtav wrote...

I rather liked Revan vs. Bastila. I'd kill to fight my LI and/or favorite character again. And I still think it's plausible. All that's required is some new info during the fight.

Maybe... if only for nostalgia's sake. I won't be swayed easily though. It has to make more than sense. If not, well... bad writing IMO.

This... I'd press esc + exit game + pick up the game's DVD... ''IT BE FRISBEE TIME!''

[flemm]

LoL, Melrache, I was going to comment on your previous awesome Yvonne avatar... and already it's been replaced

Modifié par flemm, 13 septembre 2011 - 03:14 .

[Melra]

Well she can't be krumping forever. No matter how awesome she is.

[flemm]

True, that's actually very considerate of you. But do bring that other one back into the rotation from time to time

[American Tradegy]

[Berserk011]

 Oh my. 

Shes a goddess i tell you, both Yvonne and Miranda. They are both goddesses! <3<3<3<3<3

[naledgeborn]

Lol. Just what we needed, an army of Luis clones. Soon we'll be be the new talimancers. SMH. 
Ieldra, jtav please think up some new topics for intelligent discussion.