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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

hegth wrote...

don't forget the elevator after talking with oriana tha really touch me 

I did mention that lol:

"Another is when tears start to fall from her Beautiful eyes after She talks to Oriana at the end of her LM."

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 juin 2011 - 01:13 .

[jtav]

What MisterJB said. And I want her to achieve because she wants to, not because her self-worth depends on it.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

What MisterJB said. And I want her to achieve because she wants to, not because her self-worth depends on it.

THIS TOO

[Chrislo1990]

Jtav definitely agree with you. Also I"d like for her to understand that it's okay to open up a just a tiny bit that she doens't have to be so tough all the time becasue after all no maatter her genetic enhancements she's still human and she can still feel. I'm not saying I want ther to be a total emotional wreck but form admitting she really does need emotinal support, for instance needing shepard, wouldn't be bad.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^True

[MisterJB]

I don't subscribe to the line of tought that Miranda needs Shepard. Miranda wants Shepard, it's very different.
And, from a certain point of view, much more meanigfull.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 juin 2011 - 01:22 .

[jtav]

The only thing is, she's already softened a good bit. I'm not sure I want her to go farther. I'd like to see the return of Lazarus Miranda on the job, with her soft side being something only a few see.

And agreed in the strongest possible terms that she doesn't need Shep.

Modifié par jtav, 21 juin 2011 - 01:25 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

I don't subscribe to the line of tought that Miranda needs Shepard. Miranda wants Shepard, it's very different.
And, from a certain point of view, much more meanigfull.

That's true as well

[Chrislo1990]

hmm you make a good point too. Wanting is perhpas much more powerful than needing I guess. She is quite capable of handling anything and doesn't really need anyone

[hegth]

Chrislo1990 wrote...

Jtav definitely agree with you. Also I"d like for her to understand that it's okay to open up a just a tiny bit that she doens't have to be so tough all the time becasue after all no maatter her genetic enhancements she's still human and she can still feel. I'm not saying I want ther to be a total emotional wreck but form admitting she really does need emotinal support, for instance needing shepard, wouldn't be bad.

this is why I felt good when liara after LoSB responds you that she has changed so much since she meet shepard that kinda maked me feel a little accomplished.

[jtav]

I hate that line, hate it, hate it, HATE it.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

I hate that line, hate it, hate it, HATE it.

W...Why do you hate it so much? 
It's something GOOD about Miri isn't it?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 juin 2011 - 01:34 .

[MisterJB]

Because it implies that Shepard is the sole reason for Miranda's changes during ME2.

I don't hate it, BTW.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 juin 2011 - 01:35 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I always thought that....

What's the real reason then.....?

[Chrislo1990]

Well jtav if you're concerned it shows a sign of weakness it does not. Miranda is human lol.

[jtav]

Because Shepard changes her. She doesn't change herself, nor do they change each other. It reinforces that Shepard is on high and that he can "fix" her while needing nothing from her himself.

[LuxDragon]

I don't hate it and people can change, particularly when they look to change for the better. He doesn't really 'change' rather she chooses to change.

Or maybe I'm bias cause of my fic...

It's cool though. jtav is famous for being in the minority of certain opinions.

Modifié par LuxDragon, 21 juin 2011 - 01:39 .

[Chrislo1990]

jtav wrote...

Because Shepard changes her. She doesn't change herself, nor do they change each other. It reinforces that Shepard is on high and that he can "fix" her while needing nothing from her himself.

Hmm I understand. You know perhps they should show how MIranda changed shepard as well in ME3. You know what I'm gonna tweet the devs about this. jtav so the same. You make a valid point too

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'm so confused now. Cuz I didn't play LOTSB yet. I thought it was a good thing and that I thought I changed her. 

I feel bummed out now. What's the real reason she changed then?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 juin 2011 - 01:42 .

[jtav]

Indeed. I'm the thread iconoclast who would happily scrap the romance.

[MisterJB]

They can't show how much Miranda changed Shepard, you control his personality.

[Chrislo1990]

LuxDragon wrote...

I don't hate it and people can change, particularly when they look to change for the better. He doesn't really 'change' rather she chooses to change.

Or maybe I'm bias cause of my fic...

It's cool though. jtav is famous for being in the minority of certain opinions.

That a very good way to look at it LuxDragon. Personally it sioesn't bother me that I had some sort of positive influence on her.

[LuxDragon]

Actually, I change my point.

Liara mentions that Miranda had changed because she used to be cold and calculating. However, they only met twice and it was brief. Both times, Miranda was a professional.

I'm not sure I'd say she's changed. It's more like she decided to let Shepard into her personal life. That part of her has always cared for something (Mostly Oriana). The only reason why she needed to be cold was because that's the best kind of attitude to function in Cerberus. Even Jacob mentions it and how he doesn't like that part when working with Cerberus operatives.

Obviously, Shepard runs a different kind of ship and crew, so they simply relax their guards and be more natural.

So in summery... No. No change. Just a small transition from distant professional to personal.

[Chrislo1990]

I just want to make sure that you guys don't think that this small change/transition  makes her weak or anything.

Modifié par Chrislo1990, 21 juin 2011 - 01:47 .

[Chrislo1990]

Imean she's not a rock either lol otherwise what would be the point of intereacting with her