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[ubermensch007]

The Renegade Romance with Operative Miranda Lawson is far superior to the Paragon one... I like the "Shepard & Miranda's "First Kiss"  moment so much, on account of how well Shepard and Miranda - Mark Meer
& Yvonne Strahovski interact here:


Shepard - (You sound unhappy) What you don't approve?

Miranda: No. I'm just impressed.Your... sigh.Well just look at you.A colony kid, growing up in a pre-fab unit.Losing even that when Batarian slavers arrived.And you've done more than I could... Despite everything my
father did to make me perfect.You're the best humanity has to offer.

Shepard - (This again) Does it always have to come back to your fathers genetic tailoring?

Miranda: This is what I am Shepard... Sigh.I can't hide it.The intelligence.The looks.Even the biotics.he payed for all of it.Everyone of your accomplishments are due to your skill.The only thing that I can take
credit for are my mistakes...

Shepard - (You're jealous) Wait a minute.Are you - jealous?

Miranda: Don't be absurd...

Shepard: The genetic mutt that the Illusive Man put in charge.That must sting...

Miranda: First: Its not a competition. Second: Based on your combat record.Your practically a "perfect" bloody human specimen.

Shepard - (Kiss her) Perfect human specimen, huh?

Miranda: Don't get cocky.I'm the one who put you back together - remember.And i do damn good work.

Shepard: You certainly do... (They kiss one another)

Miranda: What the hell was that?! Okay... This doesn't mean anything.We just - God! I need to think.I need... I'll talk to you later.

Shepard turns back to look at her as she walks away, with a smile on his face.Miranda turns back to look at him and says with a smile on her face: And stop smiling dammit.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:17 .

[American Tradegy]

ubermensch007 wrote...

The Renegade Romance with Operative Miranda Lawson is far superior to the Paragon one... 

I wouldn't say superior
it all just really depends on personel taste

[Omega4RelayResident]

ubermensch007 wrote...

The Renegade Romance with Operative Miranda Lawson is far superior to the Paragon one... I like the "Shepard & Miranda's "First Kiss"  moment so much, on account of how well Shepard and Miranda - Mark Meer
& Yvonne Strahovski interact here:


Shepard - (You sound unhappy) What you don't approve?

Miranda: No. I'm just impressed.Your... sigh.Well just look at you.A colony kid, growing up in a pre-fab unit.Losing even that when Batarian slavers arrived.And you've done more than I could... Despite everything my
father did to make me perfect.You're the best humanity has to offer.

Shepard - (This again) Does it always have to come back to your fathers genetic tailoring?

Miranda: This is what I am Shepard... Sigh.I can't hide it.The intelligence.The looks.Even the biotics.he payed for all of it.Everyone of your accomplishments are due to your skill.The only thing that I can take
credit for are my mistakes...

Shepard - (You're jealous) Wait a minute.Are you - jealous?

Miranda: Don't be absurd...

Shepard: The genetic mutt that the Illusive Man put in charge.That must sting...

Miranda: First: Its not a competition. Second: Based on your combat record.Your practically a "perfect" bloody human specimen.

Shepard - (Kiss her) Perfect human specimen, huh?

Miranda: Don't get cocky.I'm the one who put you back together - remember.And i do damn good work.

Shepard: You certainly do... (They kiss one another)

Miranda: What the hell was that?! Okay... This doesn't mean anything.We just - God! I need to think.I need... I'll talk to you later.

Shepard turns back to look at her as she walks away, with a smile on his face.Miranda turns back to look at him and says with a smile on her face: And stop smiling dammit.

And that is nature hard at work.

[Caihn]

I hate every Shepard lines in this conversation.
Definitely prefer the Paragon path for this scene.

My favorite romance path

Modifié par Yannkee, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:25 .

[The Uncanny]

jtav wrote...

I feel like Miranda's romance is very much geared to men and I'm out in the cold.

I always felt it would suit her better to be more proactive and sexually aggressive. I think she's a natural alpha and would take the lead in any relationship.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

Sorry "Mark" was my name for a genderflipped version. Certainly it would be easier to romance him. I feel like Miranda's romance is very much geared to men and I'm out in the cold.

To me genderflipped Miranda = Ferdinand. Please don't kill me.

[MisterJB]

ubermensch007 wrote...

The Renegade Romance with Operative Miranda Lawson is far superior to the Paragon one

I respectfully disagree.

[ubermensch007]

American Tradegy wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

The Renegade Romance with Operative Miranda Lawson is far superior to the Paragon one... 

I wouldn't say superior
it all just really depends on personel taste

@Those who disagree with me: To quote Saphra Deden:

"Not liking what I like means you are a bad person."

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Modifié par ubermensch007, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:33 .

[The Uncanny]

MisterJB wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

The Renegade Romance with Operative Miranda Lawson is far superior to the Paragon one

I respectfully disagree.

Yes. I think paragon 'sits' better.

[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

flemm wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I'd have to say my favorite quote from her is "Then consider this my resignation."

Unpopular, maybe, but it shows that she's come a long way with Shepard.

Controversial, certainly. Some people hate it, some love it.

I don't like the resignation, but I can live with it for the sake of the more Paragon Mirimancers out there. The line I really, really hate is "Using anything from this base feels lilke a betrayal". Fortunately, I never hear it in my games.

And yeah, Xil, no surprise here. I am wondering about your consistency though, with you arguing Paragon in ME2 and then going all for "mages, the new master race" in DA2.

I'm beginning to wonder if the line is less about using the Collector base stuff period, and more about using it for TIM; if giving TIM the keys to something like this in particular is the betrayal.

Also, I gave up on the mage notion; it was a passing fancy.

[naledgeborn]

The Uncanny wrote...

jtav wrote...

I feel like Miranda's romance is very much geared to men and I'm out in the cold.

I always felt it would suit her better to be more proactive and sexually aggressive. I think she's a natural alpha and would take the lead in any relationship.

I agree. Which is why my canon  Alpha Shepard takes the Renegade route. He enjoys the challenge and that makes her all the tingle.

Unfortunately for you ladies Miranda wasn't conceived as a bisexual character, otherwise I think the Paragon submissive route would fit perfectly for FShep in contrast to Miranda's take charge attitude.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:35 .

[The Uncanny]

naledgeborn wrote...

Unfortunately for you ladies Miranda wasn't conceived as a bisexual character, otherwise I think the Paragon submissive route would fit perfectly for FShep in contrast to Miranda's take charge attitude.

I'm not aware of definitive evidence for that point of view. But either way I'm not interested in having that argument again, thank you. So let's not get sidetracked from what is actually being discussed.

Modifié par The Uncanny, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:40 .

[Caihn]

The Uncanny wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

The Renegade Romance with Operative Miranda Lawson is far superior to the Paragon one

I respectfully disagree.

Yes. I think paragon 'sits' better.

I agree.

What I like the most with the Paragon path during this conversation :

- "The best thing he did was to put you on my squad."
- "You give your father too much credit. Yeah, he gave you gifts, but you can be proud of what you've done with them."
- The fact that during the next conversation Shepard will not say "What are you so afraid of ?" but "I care about you Miranda" (the only way to make Shepard open himself to Miranda).

[jlb524]

Xilizhra wrote...
I'm beginning to wonder if the line is less about using the Collector base stuff period, and more about using it for TIM; if giving TIM the keys to something like this in particular is the betrayal.

It could be if she knows TIM wants to use it solely to advance human dominance in the galaxy and not just to simply stop the Reapers.

It's kind of the same thing the Reapers want to do (wipe out all other life and advance their species).

[MisterJB]

The Uncanny wrote...
I always felt it would suit her better to be more proactive and sexually aggressive. I think she's a natural alpha and would take the lead in any relationship.

In a normal situation, maybe. However, we shouldn't forget that Miranda was in a "The mission is too important to let personal feelings interfere" mentality.

naledgeborn wrote...
Unfortunately for you ladies Miranda wasn't conceived as a bisexual character, otherwise I think the Paragon submissive route would fit perfectly for FShep in contrast to Miranda's take charge attitude.

There's nothing submissive about the Paragon route.

[Omega4RelayResident]

ubermensch007 wrote...

American Tradegy wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

The Renegade Romance with Operative Miranda Lawson is far superior to the Paragon one... 

I wouldn't say superior
it all just really depends on personel taste

@Those who disagree with me: To quote Saphra Deden:

"Not liking what I like means you are a bad person."

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Thanks for reminding me why this person will never be on my friends list

[naledgeborn]

MisterJB wrote...
There's nothing submissive about the Paragon route.

I think so. I mean, didn't you yourself say she made the first move? That would put her in the driver seat in the very early stages. Which is pretty much all ME2 consists of.

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...

There's nothing submissive about the Paragon route.

this

[raziel1980]

The Uncanny wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

The Renegade Romance with Operative Miranda Lawson is far superior to the Paragon one

I respectfully disagree.

Yes. I think paragon 'sits' better.

Having done both of them myself... I would say it's about even...and only because I find the renegade path to be shepard taking control of the situation...while the paragon path is them effectively letting fate run it's course...and the yes, the ending of the renegade zstarter is hilarious...while the paragon is more....sweet...' the whole promise me you'll come back alive" dialog Miri gives there... I usually have a helluva time picking which option works best to answer her...because the paragon is hopeful while renegade in my opinion is truthful( as you can see I'm definetely more of a renegade player...though I do paragon the hell outa the suicide mission)...

[flemm]

Xilizhra wrote...
I'm beginning to wonder if the line is less about using the Collector base stuff period, and more about using it for TIM; if giving TIM the keys to something like this in particular is the betrayal.

There's certainly some room for interpretation, but to me the exchange suggests that Miranda and TIM have discussed the possibility of keeping the base before, and that they were in agreement previously. But after actually seeing the base, the human harvesting going on there, and the Reaper embryo, Miranda changed her mind.

The betrayal, then, is of the tens of thousands of people that died there. Particularly if the tech were weaponized, turned on other species and thereby used to assure human dominance. Since that's exactly what TIM has in mind, especially that last part, there is a rational justification for the choice. But some don't like the line because that rationale is never really explicit, which makes the choice seem insufficiently pragmatic.

Basically, for me personally, I'm cool with it as long as Miranda elaborates on her reasoning and motivation in ME3. We need more information.

Modifié par flemm, 14 septembre 2011 - 08:01 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

MisterJB wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...
I always felt it would suit her better to be more proactive and sexually aggressive. I think she's a natural alpha and would take the lead in any relationship.

In a normal situation, maybe. However, we shouldn't forget that Miranda was in a "The mission is too important to let personal feelings interfere" mentality.

naledgeborn wrote...
Unfortunately for you ladies Miranda wasn't conceived as a bisexual character, otherwise I think the Paragon submissive route would fit perfectly for FShep in contrast to Miranda's take charge attitude.

There's nothing submissive about the Paragon route.

Yeah there is nothing weak about being a nice guy. Its resisting the natural impulses of being an alpha male. I have to give credit to those guys that that approach relationships with sensitivity.

[MisterJB]

naledgeborn wrote...
I think so. I mean, didn't you yourself say she made the first move? That would put her in the driver seat in the very early stages. Which is pretty much all ME2 consists of.

Miranda making the first move does not make Shepard submissive. Shepard still has to correspond in order for any relationship to start. And just like Miranda can ask Shepard for more time, so can Shepard.
And, even though I don't like to use this term, Shepard is the one on the "driver seat" during most of the "Promise me" conversation.

[Eyeshield21]

Just finished my "Perfect"(well, as perfect as it can get) playthrough of ME2 with Miranda as my love. Not sure what role she'll be playing in ME3, but I at least hope she'll be on the squad for while, since some will be full time, short time, and some just one mission.

[LiquidGrape]

Reducing a relationship to little more than a power struggle sounds like a very healthy approach.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 14 septembre 2011 - 08:17 .

[raziel1980]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

Just finished my "Perfect"(well, as perfect as it can get) playthrough of ME2 with Miranda as my love. Not sure what role she'll be playing in ME3, but I at least hope she'll be on the squad for while, since some will be full time, short time, and some just one mission.

I hope that if a certain character is your shep's LI then you will get the option to turn them into a full time companion whereas all the rest who are considered in-betweenies at this point are given part time status unless you decide otherwise.