jreezy wrote...
Obvious, Obvious, and ObviousDave of Canada wrote...
Strahovski is Miranda, Miranda is not Strahovski. This isn't a Strahovski appreciation thread.
Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 septembre 2011 - 07:44 .
Of course she is. I can see her resignation as such as breaking the pattern of following TIM as flemm suggests. What I don't get is that it's over something as ethically unproblematic (compared to other things) as keeping the Collector base, especially considering that the base could be of huge benefit in order to decipher Reaper technology. Let her resign over Pragia or Overlord, or a combination of that, where the benefits are much less visible and the damage done much more obvious. But the Collector base? And with such a flimsy reasoning? No way.Omega4RelayResident wrote...
@ Ieldra2 and flemm...
Do you think Miranda is a strong independant woman? Do you think Miranda can make decisions and live with the consequences of her actions? Do you think if Shep did anything obscenely against mission parameters Miranda would voice that without hesitation?
If you guys answered yes to these then think about this...
If TIM did anything that Miranda did not approve of would you think she would continue working for him?
IMO she if far too pricipled, strong willed, intelligent, and smart to actually take a "Do as you are told!" from anyone... if she did not agree with it. I think she expressed her self well by making the statement that she is no one's tool.
I usually avoid making moral judgments on feelings alone. If I cannot find a moral reasoning that supports a feeling of "wrongness", I tend to discount the feeling.If your boss asked you to do something you felt deep down was wrong would you do it?
I would not. I feel that Miranda's and Shepard's relationship is beyond the need of an official sanction. I would expect that they sit down at some point and talk about how they want their future to go, and of course that talk wouldn't be strictly business, but that's about all.Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Here is a question... how would you propose to Miranda as male Shep?
End of ME3... you just saved the galaxy... how are you going to propose to her and live happily ever after?
Ieldra2 wrote...
Of course she is. I can see her resignation as such as breaking the pattern of following TIM as flemm suggests. What I don't get is that it's over something as ethically unproblematic (compared to other things) as keeping the Collector base, especially considering that the base could be of huge benefit in order to decipher Reaper technology. Let her resign over Pragia or Overlord, or a combination of that, where the benefits are much less visible and the damage done much more obvious. But the Collector base? And with such a flimsy reasoning? No way.Omega4RelayResident wrote...
@ Ieldra2 and flemm...
Do you think Miranda is a strong independant woman? Do you think Miranda can make decisions and live with the consequences of her actions? Do you think if Shep did anything obscenely against mission parameters Miranda would voice that without hesitation?
If you guys answered yes to these then think about this...
If TIM did anything that Miranda did not approve of would you think she would continue working for him?
IMO she if far too pricipled, strong willed, intelligent, and smart to actually take a "Do as you are told!" from anyone... if she did not agree with it. I think she expressed her self well by making the statement that she is no one's tool.I usually avoid making moral judgments on feelings alone. If I cannot find a moral reasoning that supports a feeling of "wrongness", I tend to discount the feeling.If your boss asked you to do something you felt deep down was wrong would you do it?
Omega4RelayResident wrote...
I mean if you go talk to your squadmates after that mission they feel that keeping the base was not a wise choice, or they tell you you did the right thing by destroying it.
Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 septembre 2011 - 08:05 .
This is probably part of it.MisterJB wrote...
I don't think Miranda has anything to apologize for to Joker. He was in charge of the Normandy and its crew while Shepard and herself were out, he screwed it up, he got a reprimand. End of story.
I actually tought that scene was a show of respect on Miranda's part. Despite Joker being crippled, she still holds him to the same standard of efficiency as everyone else.
Omega4RelayResident wrote...
See I do not see it like that... In my opinion the CB was way too dangerous to keep around and I feel like Miranda saw it that way too. I mean if you go talk to your squadmates after that mission they feel that keeping the base was not a wise choice, or they tell you you did the right thing by destroying it.
Maybe the CB was just an ambitious step too far on TIM's behalf for Miranda to tolerate.
Spanky Magoo wrote...
In addition it could be a culmination of the events of overlord, pragia, and what happened on the derelict reaper that caused miranda to lose faith in TIM.
Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 septembre 2011 - 08:23 .
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No need. Might as well let people comment how they want to.Dave of Canada wrote...
jreezy wrote...
Obvious, Obvious, and ObviousDave of Canada wrote...
Strahovski is Miranda, Miranda is not Strahovski. This isn't a Strahovski appreciation thread.
Thanks.
Maybe I won't have to point it out next time.
Maybe this, maybe that. The problem is that we are stuck with what is written. I'm fine with interpreting the resignation this way, but that still leaves the damnable "betrayal" line.Omega4RelayResident wrote...
You know I forgot a very big possible part of it. Miranda said clearly in one of her conversations that she likes making a difference. Maybe she saw that with Shep's crew she made more of a difference than just working under TIM. Then TIM orders he about disrespectfully and she sees no reason to stay with Cerberus anymore after that.
Indeed. And a sentimental twit is a sentimental twit, even if she looks like Miranda. Well, of course I hope she is not that in ME3, like she isn't in 99.9% of ME2...jtav wrote...
It's the same impulse that I expressed a few pages back. I like Miranda as long as she falls within certain paramaters. If she falls outside them, it's highly likely she becomes something I loathe. None of us are obligated to express undying devotion regardless of what a character does. An ablist jackass is an ablist jackass, even if she looks like Miranda.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 septembre 2011 - 09:07 .
Ieldra2 wrote...
Indeed. And a sentimental twit is a sentimental twit, even if she looks like Miranda. Well, of course I hope she is not that in ME3, like she isn't in 99.9% of ME2...jtav wrote...
It's the same impulse that I expressed a few pages back. I like Miranda as long as she falls within certain paramaters. If she falls outside them, it's highly likely she becomes something I loathe. None of us are obligated to express undying devotion regardless of what a character does. An ablist jackass is an ablist jackass, even if she looks like Miranda.
Those people who like 100% of what Miranda says and does should consider themselves lucky, but their stance is not in any way superior.
MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
Indeed. And a sentimental twit is a sentimental twit, even if she looks like Miranda. Well, of course I hope she is not that in ME3, like she isn't in 99.9% of ME2...jtav wrote...
It's the same impulse that I expressed a few pages back. I like Miranda as long as she falls within certain paramaters. If she falls outside them, it's highly likely she becomes something I loathe. None of us are obligated to express undying devotion regardless of what a character does. An ablist jackass is an ablist jackass, even if she looks like Miranda.
Those people who like 100% of what Miranda says and does should consider themselves lucky, but their stance is not in any way superior.
Why does sentimentality automatically equate to idiocy? I don't understand.
"Sentimentality" is the appeal to emotions at the expense of reason. That is appropriate in certain situations, particularly social interactions with those close to you, but when the fate of the galaxy depends on your decision, then yes, it amounts to idiocy.MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Why does sentimentality automatically equate to idiocy? I don't understand.Ieldra2 wrote...
Indeed. And a sentimental twit is a sentimental twit, even if she looks like Miranda. Well, of course I hope she is not that in ME3, like she isn't in 99.9% of ME2...jtav wrote...
It's the same impulse that I expressed a few pages back. I like Miranda as long as she falls within certain paramaters. If she falls outside them, it's highly likely she becomes something I loathe. None of us are obligated to express undying devotion regardless of what a character does. An ablist jackass is an ablist jackass, even if she looks like Miranda.
Those people who like 100% of what Miranda says and does should consider themselves lucky, but their stance is not in any way superior.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 septembre 2011 - 10:56 .
Dave of Canada wrote...
Strahovski is Miranda, Miranda is not Strahovski. This isn't a Strahovski appreciation thread.
Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Its a childish argument but I stand by the fact that as long as I follow forum rules I will not be censored. I will stand up for anyone and everyone else if someone tries to censor them without proper cause.
Dave of Canada wrote...
Wish they'd have shown it then, rather than have Miranda seem perfectly fine and defend all those actions and get into a fight with Jack about it.
Modifié par flemm, 15 septembre 2011 - 11:33 .
MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
Indeed. And a sentimental twit is a sentimental twit, even if she looks like Miranda. Well, of course I hope she is not that in ME3, like she isn't in 99.9% of ME2...jtav wrote...
It's the same impulse that I expressed a few pages back. I like Miranda as long as she falls within certain paramaters. If she falls outside them, it's highly likely she becomes something I loathe. None of us are obligated to express undying devotion regardless of what a character does. An ablist jackass is an ablist jackass, even if she looks like Miranda.
Those people who like 100% of what Miranda says and does should consider themselves lucky, but their stance is not in any way superior.
Why does sentimentality automatically equate to idiocy? I don't understand.
flemm wrote...
They don't show her being fine with it. What they show quite consistently throughout the game is Miranda attempting to dissassociate Cerberus and TIM from the organisation's more abusive projets, including most of what we see in ME1, the experiments involving Jack, etc. (I don't recall any specific discussion of Overlord.)
Yeah, I hate it when she smiles. Such an unprofessional waste of time...<_<Melrache wrote...
Some people just don't like the idea of people actually being people, instead of machines.
MisterJB wrote...
I don't think anyone is speaking against Miranda smiling but rather against letting sentimentality influence her on-field decisions.
So? Most of the ME fan base can't tie their own shoes. Unqualified comments like that should be ignored.naledgeborn wrote...
It's bad enough that most of the Mass Effect fan base has Miranda tagged as "obvious fan service".
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