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[Eyeshield21]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

What's the new convention called?

What do you mean?
oh the convention?

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 16 septembre 2011 - 10:50 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

The convention tomorrow. What is the name?!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 16 septembre 2011 - 10:56 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Briefly speaking, that the Miranda I saw on Lazarus Station is gone. I want the woman who's own hands are not clean and for whom the mission comes first. I've sen too many female characters who appear cold and ruthless but just need someone to show them the light and really want marriage and children and drop the cause the moment they meet our hero. Paranoid? Maybe. And yet, the idea nags at me.

I have some hope things won't go that way. But yeah, that's my greatest fear as well.

[flemm]

I'm not really concerned about her losing her committment to the mission or capacity to be ruthless (within certain bounds). What will change, I think mainly, will be the mission, i.e. she won't be aligned with Cerberus anymore, because she will no longer be deluding herself as to the nature of that organisation.

I don't expect her to be fully allied with the Alliance either, though. What I expect is a temporary and uneasy pact/truce in order to deal with Cerberus and the Reaper threat, at which point Miranda goes her own way. Something along those lines.

[Sebby]

jtav wrote...

Briefly speaking, that the Miranda I saw on Lazarus Station is gone. I want the woman who's own hands are not clean and for whom the mission comes first. I've sen too many female characters who appear cold and ruthless but just need someone to show them the light and really want marriage and children and drop the cause the moment they meet our hero. Paranoid? Maybe. And yet, the idea nags at me.

It's sad to see Kelly being more of a Cerberus loyalist than Miranda in ME2.

[Eyeshield21]

flemm wrote...

I'm not really concerned about her losing her committment to the mission or capacity to be ruthless (within certain bounds). What will change, I think mainly, will be the mission, i.e. she won't be aligned with Cerberus anymore, because she will no longer be deluding herself as to the nature of that organisation.

I don't expect her to be fully allied with the Alliance either, though. What I expect is a temporary and uneasy pact/truce in order to deal with Cerberus and the Reaper threat, at which point Miranda goes her own way. Something along those lines.

I don't expect it either, but they all need to have a truce or they'll end up dead.

[flemm]

Eyeshield21 wrote...
I don't expect it either, but they all need to have a truce or they'll end up dead.

Yes, they are not going to want to cooperate, but they will need to.

As an alternate to the above, possibly Miranda leaves to do her own thing after Cerberus is dealt with. (And maybe returns later with support.)

First scenario I mentioned would be the more or less full-time squad member scenario, whereas the second one would be the part-time squad member + transition to faction leader scenario.

Modifié par flemm, 16 septembre 2011 - 11:29 .

[naledgeborn]

Miranda really is the only person I see doing her own thing in the war effort which is why I won't be so disappointed for not having her around 24/7. Shepard's team strikes at sensitive spot feeds Miranda's team intel vice- versa. Her team unlocks some doors so Shepard can do his thing. Other than Jacob I don't know who would squad up with her though. I'm reminded of KotOR 2 where the team splits and go on 2 different missions on 2 different worlds. And you could 'assume control' of both squads. Yeah, Miranda would be leading Bravo team, and setting Shep's Alpha team for success.

Went on a little bit of a ramble, but that's what I want to see in ME3.

[jtav]

It's not repudiating Cerberus that concerns me. It's the precise phrasing of her objection combined with that thrice-damned dossier.

[jtav]

I'd love to see Miranda transition to faction leader. The only thing I would miss is banter.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I'd love to see Miranda transition to faction leader. The only thing I would miss is banter.

I'd miss the banter and having her on the squad for the rest of the game. But if she's on the squad for a good chunk of the game and plays a prominent role on some of the Cerberus missions, then transitions to faction leader, I agree that could potentially be pretty damn cool.

Modifié par flemm, 16 septembre 2011 - 11:46 .

[naledgeborn]

flemm wrote...

I'd miss the banter and having her on the squad for the rest of the game. But if she's on the squad for a good chunk of the game and plays a prominent role on some of the Cerberus missions, then transitions to faction leader, I agree that could potentially be pretty damn cool.

She has to be available for the 'final battle' though. Sort of like Hawke's sibling appearing out of nowhere to help Hawke in Act III... without the appearing out of no where part.

[jtav]

I go back and forth on whether I want her to take over Cerberus and reform it into what she thought it was or take over her father's empire. Right now, I'm leaning toward the second. The prodigal daughter who was never good enough taking up the mantle she was always meant for.

[thatbwoyblu]

Miranda betta bring DAT ASS back to Mass Effect 3.

[naledgeborn]

They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Her father's empire would give her the resources she'd need to destroy and rebuild Cerberus without integrating (back?) into the Alliance's chain of command. That could be one of the choices in ME3.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:04 .

[flemm]

naledgeborn wrote...

She has to be available for the 'final battle' though.

Well, we know that a big part of ME3 will be recruiting factions for the final battle. (At least the first part of that statement we know, and the second part is a pretty reasonable thing to infer.)

So, the big command choices at the end of ME3 might be choosing which faction to support you in certain situations (sort of like choosing specialists and fire team leaders during the SM, but on a larger scale). I could see Miranda's new organisation being one of those available factions. So she would be there, though maybe not on the squad in that scenario.

naledgeborn wrote...

They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Her father's empire would give her the resources she'd need to destroy and rebuild Cerberus without integrating (back?) into the Alliance's chain of command. That could be one of the choices in ME3.

Agreed. Some of this could be underway already when ME3 starts.

Modifié par flemm, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:29 .

[MisterJB]

Seboist wrote...
It's sad to see Kelly being more of a Cerberus loyalist than Miranda in ME2.

Not a fair comparision. Kelly has a delusioned view of Cerberus.

[jtav]

I just had a thought. Shep is in chains in the SR-2 brig in the comic and they're on Omega. Looks as if s/he didn't turn themselves in after all. Could Miranda be in Alliance custody when the game starts?

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
 Shep is in chains in the SR-2 brig in the comic and they're on Omega. Looks as if s/he didn't turn themselves in after all. Could Miranda be in Alliance custody when the game starts?

What makes you think Shepard didn't turn himself in?

[jtav]

On the last page of the comic, Shep is in the SR-2 (still in Cerberus colors) brig in chains. So definitely before they get to Earth.

[MisterJB]

Maybe the Council summoned Shepard for an hearing (if he was reinstated into the Spectres), he went voluntarily,was stripped of his Spectre rank and the Alliance requested for him to be judged on Earth so that they could put a show for the Batarians. Then Anderson made a detour to recruit Vega.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:59 .

[naledgeborn]

A 'criminal' is a 'criminal'. Even if Shep turns h(er)imself in the cuffs would still go on. And Anderson of all people is his relief on the Normandy so I don't think he has it that bad.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Could Miranda be in Alliance custody when the game starts?

Well, Shepard may very well have turned himself in, but I still think this is an interesting thought. Casey Hudson's "But is she ok?" tweet is about the closest we've come to getting a concrete piece of info regarding Miranda. Mostly we've speculated about some sort of conflict with Cerberus/TIM, but I guess Miranda being in Alliance custody would also fit.

[jtav]

It would make a certain amount of sense thematically. She would be mistrusted by the crew. And things have changed on the SR-2. What better way to highlight that than having the former XO back on the ship as a criminal there by sufferance?

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

It would make a certain amount of sense thematically. She would be mistrusted by the crew. And things have changed on the SR-2. What better way to highlight that than having the former XO back on the ship as a criminal there by sufferance?

Then, when the Reapers arrive, **** would hit the fan and things would really start to get interesting on the Normandy. It's possible.