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[jtav]

Well I had the vision of stopping at Arcturus, finding the place under attack by Reapers/Cerberus and Miranda held there. She'd find herself in Jack's shoes, working with a group she hates because she has nowhere else to go.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Well I had the vision of stopping at Arcturus, finding the place under attack by Reapers/Cerberus and Miranda held there. She'd find herself in Jack's shoes, working with a group she hates because she has nowhere else to go.

Well, one of the reasons I'm fairly sanguine about the likelihood of Miranda being on the squad for at least a significant chunk of the game is that bringing her back to the Normandy with the ship under Alliance control is a plot development that is simply too interesting and thematically powerful to be ignored.

Having her start in an Alliance prison would be an interesting way of underlining and exacerbating those tensions, though, and one we had not previously discussed, to my knowledge. I think it makes a lot of sense.

Modifié par flemm, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:29 .

[jtav]

Oh, without doubt. It would be a tremendous dramatic opportunity. Not just for the Alliance angle. She'd have lost everything but her genetic gifts. Succeeding here might help her take pride in them.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Oh, without doubt. It would be a tremendous dramatic opportunity. Not just for the Alliance angle. She'd have lost everything but her genetic gifts. Succeeding here might help her take pride in them.

Also, think of what a cool arc that could end up being: prisoner to faction leader. Would be pretty damn awesome. I hope somebody else thought of this besides you. And by somebody else, I mean Mac Walters

Modifié par flemm, 17 septembre 2011 - 02:12 .

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

I just had a thought. Shep is in chains in the SR-2 brig in the comic and they're on Omega. Looks as if s/he didn't turn themselves in after all. Could Miranda be in Alliance custody when the game starts?

Either that or she could be with the Cerberus expedition beyond the Omega-4 relay, or if she resigned she could be investigating what Cerberus is doing. Shepard did agree to stand trial at the end of Arrival, but I guess that he's going to Earth the hard way.

Shepard: You should go.

Miranda: Because the Navy is going to put you on trial?

Shepard: Hackett's sending a Fifth Fleet detatchment to take the Normandy and whoever's aboard to Earth. I very much doubt that they'll be kind to any Cerberus agents who might be onboard. We'll meet up after this whole thing blows over.

Miranda: And what if your bloody luck decides to run out?

Shepard: Then I guess we'll have to think of something.

[jtav]

Miranda's one of those characters they can do so many interesting things with. I hope they remember that. Romance is all to the good, but conclusion to that arc shouldn't be the primary focus.

[drwells123]

jtav wrote...

On the last page of the comic, Shep is in the SR-2 (still in Cerberus colors) brig in chains. So definitely before they get to Earth.

Shepard is truly an incorrigible criminal. She saved the galaxy once, so they sent her out to the edge of nowhere to be shot up by Collectors. Apparently that wasn't enough to learn her, because she did it again. So they're going to court-martial her ass. If she doesn't wise up and stop it I guess they'll have to execute her at the end of ME3.

Modifié par drwells123, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:01 .

[MACharlie1]

jtav wrote...

Well I had the vision of stopping at Arcturus, finding the place under attack by Reapers/Cerberus and Miranda held there. She'd find herself in Jack's shoes, working with a group she hates because she has nowhere else to go.

I have always envisioned a break out scene involving Miranda - dressed in that Patrick piece he did - all restrained and then her going bat**** crazy with her biotics. 

But then again, I also had a similar vision with Kasumi (in her undies no less) breaking out of her cell. 

[MisterJB]

drwells123 wrote...
Shepard is truly an incorrigible criminal. She saved the galaxy once, so they sent her out to the edge of nowhere to be shot up by Collectors. Apparently that wasn't enough to learn her, because she did it again. So they're going to court-martial her ass. If she doesn't wise up and stop it I guess they'll have to execute her at the end of ME3.

Should humanity go to war just to protect Shepard? With the Reapers at the Galaxy's doorstep?
Now, if it was Miranda, then it would be acceptable.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:42 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What if Miri displays some sense of ....fear? As in fear of losing either us, or Oriana. She loves both.

Yes, there is a mission, but there also love. We are in a Romantic Relationship with Miri. So of course she wouldn't want to lose us, priorities or not. That love is STILL there. The same goes for Oriana.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:41 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Miranda's one of those characters they can do so many interesting things with. I hope they remember that. Romance is all to the good, but conclusion to that arc shouldn't be the primary focus.

I don't really have much concern there because the romance angle, while really important to certain core fans, is not something the majority of gamers get invested in. Miranda's main involvement in the story will be focused elsewhere, I'm quite confident.

Modifié par flemm, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:41 .

[clennon8]

^ What Flemm said.

[Omega4RelayResident]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

Miranda's one of those characters they can do so many interesting things with. I hope they remember that. Romance is all to the good, but conclusion to that arc shouldn't be the primary focus.

I don't really have much concern there because the romance angle, while really important to certain core fans, is not something the majority of gamers get invested in. Miranda's main involvement in the story will be focused elsewhere, I'm quite confident.

That scares the everloving ****** out of me... my Miri wont be with me...

I wonder if in ME3 they allow you too choose the last squadmate out of your previous ones.... that would be without a doubt awesome!

Although now that I think about it its unrealistic... too much coding to make the universe with or without each squadmate....

Nevermind

[TimberOwls]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

The convention tomorrow. What is the name?!

It's called GAMEfest. It's a new one in good ol' England; pretty small but I'm only going because ME3 is there. To be honest, it could be the smallest stand in the world but I'll still be there - excited.

As for cosplay, well if there is a good one then I will most certainly post up a picture :happy:

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

TimberOwls wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

The convention tomorrow. What is the name?!

It's called GAMEfest. It's a new one in good ol' England; pretty small but I'm only going because ME3 is there. To be honest, it could be the smallest stand in the world but I'll still be there - excited.

As for cosplay, well if there is a good one then I will most certainly post up a picture :happy:

Geez! FINALLY someone answers, after waiting for so long! 

[TimberOwls]

jtav wrote...

Briefly speaking, that the Miranda I saw on Lazarus Station is gone. I want the woman who's own hands are not clean and for whom the mission comes first. I've sen too many female characters who appear cold and ruthless but just need someone to show them the light and really want marriage and children and drop the cause the moment they meet our hero. Paranoid? Maybe. And yet, the idea nags at me.

Ugh, yeah. That would be such a let down. I know the Lazarus Station scene has been very discussed on here, but it was that conversation that made me respect her as a character. To have everything interesting about her character become undone because Shep runs in and,, as you said, 'show her the light' would be pretty lame. Miranda is one of the only LI's that doesn't need to Shep rescue her, and I think I'd prefer a scene where she saves Shep's ass to reintroduce her. Not having him save her...like more or less everyone else.

Or the breaking out of Allience prison would be pretty cool.

I'm not worried about it yet though. Trying to be an optimist this time...

[TimberOwls]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

TimberOwls wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

The convention tomorrow. What is the name?!

It's called GAMEfest. It's a new one in good ol' England; pretty small but I'm only going because ME3 is there. To be honest, it could be the smallest stand in the world but I'll still be there - excited.

As for cosplay, well if there is a good one then I will most certainly post up a picture :happy:

Geez! FINALLY someone answers, after waiting for so long! 

Sorry! I'm English...have to sleep sometime you know

[Skullheart]

Hey, I downloaded XNALara and I've been trying to do something (U need a lot of patience). I saw this awesome fanart on deviantart and tried to replicate it.

Here's the result so far.


I still need to do something with Shepard's pose (I only moved his shoulders and arms), besides the facial expression from Shepard and Miranda. And don't ask about the Miri's eye colors or Shepard's skin tone, the models were that way from where I downloaded them. I believe I still can edite them on photoshop.


btw, I received a mail from photobucket saying that my bandwitch was exceeded. The banners are temporarily disabled, so I've jusy uploaded them to tinypic.  I'm leaving the new links here for those who used the links from photobucket.



http://i51.tinypic.com/2w2ft7a.gif


http://i56.tinypic.com/vx2r11.jpg


http://i55.tinypic.com/2hfmdjn.gif


http://i56.tinypic.com/xpog8x.gif

Modifié par Skullheart, 17 septembre 2011 - 05:46 .

[ubermensch007]

TimberOwls wrote...

jtav wrote...

Briefly speaking, that the Miranda I saw on Lazarus Station is gone. I want the woman who's own hands are not clean and for whom the mission comes first. I've sen too many female characters who appear cold and ruthless but just need someone to show them the light and really want marriage and children and drop the cause the moment they meet our hero. Paranoid? Maybe. And yet, the idea nags at me.

Ugh, yeah. That would be such a let down. I know the Lazarus Station scene has been very discussed on here, but it was that conversation that made me respect her as a character. To have everything interesting about her character become undone because Shep runs in and,, as you said, 'show her the light' would be pretty lame. Miranda is one of the only LI's that doesn't need to Shep rescue her, and I think I'd prefer a scene where she saves Shep's ass to reintroduce her. Not having him save her...like more or less everyone else.

Or the breaking out of Allience prison would be pretty cool.

I'm not worried about it yet though. Trying to be an optimist this time...

@TimberOwls: Nah... It would be much more signifigant if it was Jack who broke Shepard out of prison.Given how they originally met





But I do know what you and jtav mean about "What happened to the Operative Lawson I saw on the Lazarus Station?" For my part, I am still upset with BioWare for not delivering on this promise:

"An empty threat"

Miranda: I know who I report too.As long as you don't do anything to betray Cerberus, I'll follow your orders.

I have the utmost respect for your abilities Shepard.Its your motivations that concern me.I believe in what Cerberus stands for,  only time will tell if you prove to be an asset or liability to our cause...

The post Baby Reaper battle betwixt Commander Shepard and Operative Lawson never took place.
In promotion footage they touted Miranda as a "Loyalist"



But in game, she proved to just do her own thing, whenever the spirit moved her. <_< If the Illusive Man decided to do such a horrible thing to Paul Grayson for betraying Cerberus.I don't even want to imagine what Jack Harper has in mind for Ms.Lawson... 

Comparitively speaking: What Grayson did, by not giving Gillian to Cerberus; is nothing compared to Miranda letting Shepard destroy the Collector Base.I sometimes think that even if Shep and Miri are romantically involved.They still should have came to blows over the fate of the CB.Akin to how Lara Croft fought and killed her former lover in Tomb Raider: Cradle of Life... 

It should have been more intense and visceral than trying to talk Wrex down on Virmire.Shepard and Miranda should have fought and there should have been a slim chance that Shepard could have got her to cease and desist.And this is how they both  could  look after there fight:



Just because she joined Cerberus doesn't mean that she should stop thinking for herself of course.But she was that organizations primary represenative.And for all her talk about "an asset vs a liability to the cause."She dropped the ball.And that's not cool...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 17 septembre 2011 - 06:44 .

[Little Red Corvette]

Never realized she was crying in that pic till now.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Is Miranda not allowed to change her mind about Cerberus? Is she supposed to follow that freak blindly forever? She is her own person... and besides Shep always had a way of changing people.

Remember how Wrex use to be when we first met him in ME1... now look at him.

[ubermensch007]

Little Red Corvette wrote...

Never realized she was crying in that pic till now.

A picture is worth a thousand words: And when i realized that she was crying in this pic.



I couldn't help but think what happened here - is that Miranda failed to save Oriana life.And the poor girl died in an explosion, caused by Cerberus operatives.Because if you notice to the bottom  left of the picture there is concrete and steel rubble.Indicating that some sort of demolitions may have recently taken place...

There are not many things that would cause Miranda Lawson to shed tears.In fact the only time we see her cry in Mass Effect 2. Is if Shepard doesn't convince her to talk with Oriana.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 17 septembre 2011 - 07:46 .

[naledgeborn]

Well Miranda going from "asset or liability" to "tee hee, let's blow up the collector base" with out as much as batting an eye lash is... just confusing. I chalk it up to her having two writers, but even then... did the building lose power or something when they were writing for her?

It's just unbelievable that she's so compelled to destroy the base when just about everything about her up to that point paints a different picture about her. She doesn't even tell Shepard to think about albeit quickly.
<_<

Modifié par naledgeborn, 17 septembre 2011 - 07:54 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

naledgeborn wrote...

Well Miranda going from "asset or liability" to "tee hee, let's blow up the collector base" with out as much as batting an eye lash is... just confusing. I chalk it up to her having two writers, but even then... did the building lose power or something when they were writing for her?

It's just unbelievable that she's so compelled to destroy the base when just about everything about her up to that point paints a different picture about her. She doesn't even tell Shepard to think about albeit quickly.
<_<

Wrex went from a warmongering bountyhunter to a respectable leader who is striving to save his people. Traveling with Shepard changes a person.

Honestly people keep forgetting that another aspect BioWare is proud of is that they make the main character in their RPGs change his or her companions through his actions.

Look at the KotOR series. It was blatant then... its subtle now. All the characters have changed one way or another... slightly or etreemely... the changes occured in the characters.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 17 septembre 2011 - 07:59 .

[naledgeborn]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Wrex went from a warmongering bountyhunter to a respectable leader who is striving to save his people. Traveling with Shepard changes a person.

Honestly people keep forgetting that another aspect BioWare is proud of is that they make the main character in their RPGs change his or her companions through his actions.

Look at the KotOR series. It was blatant then... its subtle now. All the characters have changed one way or another... slightly or etreemely changes occured in the characters.

Wrex was already on the fence when he joined up with Shepard. And going as far back as killing his own pops (hundreds of years?) he's had peculiar interests for a Krogan. It wasn't as radical a shift as "KILL, KILL, KILL" to "let's save the babies!" He's always been about saving the babies. Shepard just inspires him to get off his ass and do something about it.

With Miranda it was a radical and unrealistic change/growth. Even if you dragged her around on every mission there wasn't enough build up for her sudden morality shift. She went from bleeding black and gold to screw you TIM with barely any development.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:06 .