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[pancholonita]

jtav wrote...

I just had a thought. Shep is in chains in the SR-2 brig in the comic and they're on Omega. Looks as if s/he didn't turn themselves in after all. Could Miranda be in Alliance custody when the game starts?

I like the idea you have raised. I hope so because miranda would have a very important participation;)

Modifié par pancholonita, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:42 .

[Never]

With the changes they've promised for the friendship paths, I can't wait to see Miranda in ME3! I'm interested to see how an ex-Cerberus Miranda and Kaidan get along. Although, if we're fighting Cerberus in ME3, I guess all Mirandas will be ex-Cerberus.

[Ieldra]

mynameisdanza wrote...
With the changes they've promised for the friendship paths, I can't wait to see Miranda in ME3! I'm interested to see how an ex-Cerberus Miranda and Kaidan get along. Although, if we're fighting Cerberus in ME3, I guess all Mirandas will be ex-Cerberus.

I guess so. But I hope she'll still hold on to the ideals that brought her to Cerberus in the first place. No matter that Cerberus betrayed them. I like that Miranda has a cause, above and beyond the necessity to save the galaxy from the Reapers.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
Oh, without doubt. It would be a tremendous dramatic opportunity. Not just for the Alliance angle. She'd have lost everything but her genetic gifts. Succeeding here might help her take pride in them.

Also, think of what a cool arc that could end up being: prisoner to faction leader. Would be pretty damn awesome. I hope somebody else thought of this besides you. And by somebody else, I mean Mac Walters

If they paid any attention to what has been discussed here, they'll have thought of that or something very similar. I haven't seen many people who don't want an independent Miranda.  

[flemm]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

That scares the everloving ****** out of me...

No reason for it to, really. The romance will be there for those that care about it, but it will be an additional layer of dialogue options (and cut scenes). All I am saying is that Miranda will definitely have some other function or goal that will define her role in the game, as will all the LI characters. This is just a practical necessity, for one thing, as they will appear in many games where no romance is flagged.

Ieldra2 wrote...

If they paid any attention to what has been discussed here, they'll have thought of that or something very similar. I haven't seen many people who don't want an independent Miranda.

Well, I was referring to the more novel idea of Miranda beginning as a prisoner (and then making her way to becoming the leader of a new covert organisation under her command, for example). But, yeah, I know that the second part of that, the idea of her founding a new organisation, a sort of "Cerberus as it should it have been," is one of the more frequently discussed ideas around here. And rightly so, as it could be very cool.

In passing, I don't have any problem with her saving that part of her plans (founding a new organisation) for the epilogue and focusing on the Reaper threat for the duration of ME3. Either could work, depending on how the details are handled (which applies to everything, obviously). Conceivably, both paths might be in the game and player choice might be a factor.

Modifié par flemm, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:49 .

[jtav]

As it should be. The romance is about six minutes long, if that.

And naledgeborn has it right. It's not what was done at the base, but how. The only foreshadowing was a line on the Collector Ship. It's not like Wrex. Wrex tells you outright he was once a leader, but was driven out. Even om Virmire, he's driven by concern for his people. Taking up that role again felt absolutely appropriate.

[jlb524]

I still wonder what you all think are Miranda's ideals for Cerberus.

Not TIM's, but Miranda's.

[naledgeborn]

I've been watching Lost recently. So forgive me if I draw a few comparisons. In ME2 Shepard was on a Cerberus vessel. Trust her or not Miranda was the executive officer. Fast forward 18 months and the Normandy SR-2 has been recommissioned as an Alliance vessel. We're expecting the new (old) crew to be suspicious of the former Cerberus officer. That's pretty much given. I'm more intrigued on what this may mean for Shepard.

We know Miranda is capable and logical (minus CB) so Shepard considering and acting on her advice may cause lots of friction between the crew. Shepard's leadership may come into question by Kaidan/Ashley and the rest of the squad. It may even turn into mutiny unless Kaidan/Ashley is officially the CO (while Shep remains the de facto leader). They may still think of him as a Miranda Yes-man and a Cerberus pawn, and this will in turn create further tension with Miranda.

I'm more or less inspired by the Juliet (Lost) story-arc when she first defects from the "Others". The survivors were no longer looking for Jack to make decisions because of his blind faith in Juliet. They thought that his role as leader had been compromised. This has a lot of potential for good story telling. It's a lot better than "Ok, Shepard is in charge. Let's kill some Reapers!"

Thought?

[flemm]

naledgeborn wrote...
This has a lot of potential for good story telling. It's a lot better than "Ok, Shepard is in charge. Let's kill some Reapers!"

Thought?

It definitely would add a layer of tension that would be great for the story. Miranda changes the dynamic more than anyone else, which is one reason why she is going to be there for at least a significant period imo.

Tbh, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Miranda returns to her role as XO once Shepard has retaken command of the Normandy and Miranda has rejoined the crew. She's the most qualified and a big chunk of the crew will already be used to having her in that role (Chambers, Gabe and Donnelly, Chakwas, Joker, etc. will all be back). I don't see Shepard being too pleased with the Alliance anyway, after they dragged him to earth in chains with the Reapers breathing down everyone's necks. Characters like the VS and Vega won't like it, though, and will question Shepard's judgment, as you say.

Modifié par flemm, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:09 .

[naledgeborn]

jlb524 wrote...

I still wonder what you all think are Miranda's ideals for Cerberus.

Not TIM's, but Miranda's.

Human STG. Checks and balances with A LOT of flexability. The STG spies on their allies (Council races). Who knows what else they're doing in covert ops land?

[jtav]

jlb524 wrote...

I still wonder what you all think are Miranda's ideals for Cerberus.

Not TIM's, but Miranda's.

Cerberus are the people who do the things the Alliance can't be seen doing to ensure humanity is a military, economic, and technological superpower. When regulations or public outcry would prevent something necessary from being done, that's when Cerberus steps in.

[naledgeborn]

flemm wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
This has a lot of potential for good story telling. It's a lot better than "Ok, Shepard is in charge. Let's kill some Reapers!"

Thought?

It definitely would add a layer of tension that would be great for the story. Miranda changes the dynamic more than anyone else, which is one reason why she is going to be there for at least a significant period imo.

Tbh, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Miranda returns to her role as XO once Shepard has retaken command of the Normandy and Miranda has rejoined the crew. She's the most qualified and a big chunk of the crew will already be used to having her in that role (Chambers, Gabe and Donnelly, Chakwas, Joker, etc. will all be back). Characters like the VS and Vega won't like it, though, and will question Shepard's judgment, as you say.

Believe it or not I don't want Shepard to be the Commanding Officer. At least not in the very beginning. It would certainly add a new flavor to the mix. I think the VS should be the CO and as the story moves forward Shep's leadership ability is too apparent to ignore. So the VS gets relieved and Shepard is once again the HNIC. 

Modifié par naledgeborn, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:10 .

[flemm]

naledgeborn wrote...

Believe it or not I don't want Shepard to be the Commanding Officer. At least not in the very beginning. It would certainly add a new flavor to the mix. I think the VS should the CO and as the story moves forward Shep's leadership ability is too apparent to ignore. So the VS gets relieved and Shepard is once again the HNIC. 

Could be, and it would definitely be a twist. But I don't think it's likely. Anderson apparently stays on earth to organise the survivors while Shepard takes the Normandy to rally the rest of the galaxy. If they don't give the player command at that point, I will be very surprised.

A somewhat antagonistic relationship with the VS is likely, though, at least at first.

Modifié par flemm, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:12 .

[jtav]

The crew will be Alliance (previously confirmed). So I suspect the VS will be de facto XO, whatever their formal title.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

So I suspect the VS will be de facto XO, whatever their formal title.

That would make sense, at least initially, and would just remain that way in imported games where Miranda is dead.

jtav wrote...

The crew will be Alliance (previously confirmed).

For the NPCs with names that will just mean a change in uniform in all likelihood, with perhaps a new NPC or two, of course.

Modifié par flemm, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:38 .

[jlb524]

I asked because I'm still thinking about Miranda's "It feels like a betrayal" line at the Collector Base.

I'm personally trying to decide if that's bad or good (I know you all have strong feelings about it).

[naledgeborn]

jlb524 wrote...

I asked because I'm still thinking about Miranda's "It feels like a betrayal" line at the Collector Base.

I'm personally trying to decide if that's bad or good (I know you all have strong feelings about it).

IMO. The meaning behind it no. The execution from a narrative stand point sucks. I blow up the base, but it makes me cringe everytime. Miranda from Minute Man station and Miranda from Collector Base almost seem like two different people. It wouldn't be such a bad thing if her "growth" in between these two phases were more apparent. But like I said earlier the shift was radical instead of gradual. Which is unbelievable coming from the cold and cautious Miranda Lawson.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:24 .

[Caihn]

To me Miranda is one and only one character from the begining to the end of ME2. And this is the character I want back in ME3, I don't want one aspect of her personnality showed in ME2 disapear.
The character development was very obvious to me, and I didn't need more element to justify her opinion about the CB and her resignation.

[Melra]

Yannkee wrote...

To me Miranda is one and only one character from the begining to the end of ME2. And this is the character I want back in ME3, I don't want one aspect of her personnality showed in ME2 disapear.
The character development was very obvious to me, and I didn't need more element to justify her opinion about the CB and her resignation.

Mhm, that's how she is, if you don't like her the way she is, then maybe she isn't a character for you. No reason to ruin her for others, just because she doesn't fit your mold.

[Jebel Krong]

naledgeborn wrote...

flemm wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
This has a lot of potential for good story telling. It's a lot better than "Ok, Shepard is in charge. Let's kill some Reapers!"

Thought?

It definitely would add a layer of tension that would be great for the story. Miranda changes the dynamic more than anyone else, which is one reason why she is going to be there for at least a significant period imo.

Tbh, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Miranda returns to her role as XO once Shepard has retaken command of the Normandy and Miranda has rejoined the crew. She's the most qualified and a big chunk of the crew will already be used to having her in that role (Chambers, Gabe and Donnelly, Chakwas, Joker, etc. will all be back). Characters like the VS and Vega won't like it, though, and will question Shepard's judgment, as you say.

Believe it or not I don't want Shepard to be the Commanding Officer. At least not in the very beginning. It would certainly add a new flavor to the mix. I think the VS should be the CO and as the story moves forward Shep's leadership ability is too apparent to ignore. So the VS gets relieved and Shepard is once again the HNIC. 

and take even more control out of the palyer's hands?! no thanks - the once again awful comic has done enough of that already... <_<

[naledgeborn]

Melrache wrote...

Mhm, that's how she is, if you don't like her the way she is, then maybe she isn't a character for you. No reason to ruin her for others, just because she doesn't fit your mold.

So you're not willing to admit there are inconsistencies in her writing. So you're saying she's bi-polar?

Minute Man Station 

Collector Base

With one line in between expressing confusion towards TIM. Sorry buddy I like Miranda as much as you, but I strongly disagree.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 17 septembre 2011 - 02:07 .

[naledgeborn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

and take even more control out of the palyer's hands?! no thanks - the once again awful comic has done enough of that already... <_<

How so? You're still playing as Shepard... It's like not having the over-glorified Spectre status. It's only a title. 

[Melra]

naledgeborn wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Mhm, that's how she is, if you don't like her the way she is, then maybe she isn't a character for you. No reason to ruin her for others, just because she doesn't fit your mold.

So you're not willing to admit there are inconsistencies in her writing. So you're saying she's bi-polar?

Minute Man Station 

Collector Base

With one line in between expressing confusion towards TIM. Sorry buddy I like Miranda as much as you, but I strongly disagree.

That's how she is, if you can't accept it then find someone else.

[clennon8]

And suddenly I am reminded why I normally stay away from BSN.

[xJdazzlex]

I'd like to see a deeper back story for her, maybe a bit more knowledge of her relationship with Jacob.