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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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LOL, there is none...and yeah, I wanna read this story once you finished writing....:devil:


You're not the only one, though it may not be for the same reasons.

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Good news! I finished my Miri playthrough!(finnally)

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MisterJB wrote...
On the topic of Miranda's Cerberus. I support Miranda using her (deceased) father's money and the remains of Cerberus to create an organization completely independent from any government. Also, I'm sure Miranda would groom a sucessor.

Yep, that's my preference as well. There is the problem of oversight, but governments aren't any better at this if things benefit them - see several RL examples from the last 10 years. I have a few ideas how to approach that quandary but I'll post them tomorrow in more detail.

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The point, though, is to have no oversight. It's not a glorified CIA. The idea is to do those political acts and scientific experiments that would be beneficial to human dominance that would be forbidden to the Alliance for one reason or another.

I would like to hear your ideas about how to prevent this organization from committing atrocities and going down the same road as Cerberus in the long run. Of course there will never be an absolute guarantee of this, but it is on a slippery slope Miranda would be walking, and it will always take a fine sensitivity to keep the right balance.

(Hmm....now thinking about this organization creating an Alliance-independent cluster of human colonies with legislation of its own, located somewhere beyond a supposedly inactive mass relay - in the very long run)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 septembre 2011 - 09:09 .


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More regular and detailed reports, careful screening, etc. I imagine she'll sometimes go over the line. She's a quasi-villain for me already.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

I would like to hear your ideas about how to prevent this organization from committing atrocities and going down the same road as Cerberus in the long run. Of course there will never be an absolute guarantee of this, but it is on a slippery slope Miranda would be walking, and it will always take a fine sensitivity to keep the right balance.

(Hmm....now thinking about this organization creating an Alliance-independent cluster of human colonies with legislation of its own, located somewhere beyond a supposedly inactive mass relay - in the very long run)


I think this problem is one that any organization will encounter as it grows and loses/shifts focus.  With one person in a group, decisions can be made almost instantly.  Two people requires a bit more negotiating, but it is still a relatively quick endeavour.  Ten people will hardly get anything accomplished.  Then you go on up to things like the U.S. Congress and Senate.  Bleh.

If, rather than having multiple cells like Cerberus, Miranda-rus remained a tightly-knit group of 20-30 people who shared a common vision, it would be much less prone to deviation from its goals.  Growing much larger than that would necessitate restructuring and introduce the possibility that someone like Dr. Archer leads a sub-group.

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I wish we had more pictures of Miranda overall. If I did, I would make a picture for every day to countdown the game, if not to just entertain myself. XD

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well, I made some poses featuring Shep and miri on XNALara. Don't know if I should post them. One is kind of erotic, the others are fluff.

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I'm going to say something controversial: I think the romance works better if Arrival is completed before the SM. The relationship has always been the most outwardly casual. I'm not calling it a fling, but there's less earnestness and more playfulness and focus on the logistics of sex. Even the engine room scene is pretty light and playful, despite what the situation would seemingly call for. It's mood whiplash that doesn't really work and Shepard comes off as a bit of an ass incapable of showing worry. Unless...his death is inevitable. All the badassery in the world won't make the trial outcome different, and they'd both know it. Win or lose at the CB, there's no future here. Far better for at least one of them to pretend this is less serious than it is. Maybe then, you won't get hurt. And why mope about your impending execution. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

And then, against all odds, you're spared. Now what?

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Get drunk. Pick your poison; Ryncol or the l word.

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LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

I wish we had more pictures of Miranda overall. If I did, I would make a picture for every day to countdown the game, if not to just entertain myself. XD

sigh, we'd just need 184 days worth of pics and We would all be happy(lexie, please don't do that many, I don't want to drive you crazy). hmmm, we need to have more ideas( by we, I mean every Miri fan including me)Image IPB

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Eyeshield21 wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

I wish we had more pictures of Miranda overall. If I did, I would make a picture for every day to countdown the game, if not to just entertain myself. XD

sigh, we'd just need 184 days worth of pics and We would all be happy(lexie, please don't do that many, I don't want to drive you crazy). hmmm, we need to have more ideas( by we, I mean every Miri fan including me)Image IPB


It's not that many. 168 days. XD

And I went through Chuck screenshots of Yvonne from all four seasons, but only managed to find 26 pictures I liked and had a 'Miri' vibe to them. I need moar. D:

Modifié par LexieTheT-Rexy, 19 septembre 2011 - 11:23 .


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Skullheart wrote...

well, I made some poses featuring Shep and miri on XNALara. Don't know if I should post them. One is kind of erotic, the others are fluff.

I think you should post them.

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jtav wrote...

I'm going to say something controversial: I think the romance works better if Arrival is completed before the SM. The relationship has always been the most outwardly casual. I'm not calling it a fling, but there's less earnestness and more playfulness and focus on the logistics of sex. Even the engine room scene is pretty light and playful, despite what the situation would seemingly call for. It's mood whiplash that doesn't really work and Shepard comes off as a bit of an ass incapable of showing worry. Unless...his death is inevitable. All the badassery in the world won't make the trial outcome different, and they'd both know it. Win or lose at the CB, there's no future here. Far better for at least one of them to pretend this is less serious than it is. Maybe then, you won't get hurt. And why mope about your impending execution. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

And then, against all odds, you're spared. Now what?


I'd be interested in reading a story based on that idea.

My Shepard who "romanced" Miranda chose the "friends until after the mission?" option. While Arrival throws a damper on this plotline, I really hope that it develops into a full-fledged romance in ME3

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MisterJB wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

well, I made some poses featuring Shep and miri on XNALara. Don't know if I should post them. One is kind of erotic, the others are fluff.

I think you should post them.


As do I. :D

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Even though I messed up here and there.

Modifié par LexieTheT-Rexy, 20 septembre 2011 - 12:05 .


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jtav wrote...
 I'm not calling it a fling, but there's less earnestness and more playfulness and focus on the logistics of sex. Even the engine room scene is pretty light and playful, despite what the situation would seemingly call for. It's mood whiplash that doesn't really work and Shepard comes off as a bit of an ass incapable of showing worry. Unless...his death is inevitable.


I don't think Arrival changes the situation that much, tbh, if at all. From the characters' perspective, it is a suicide mission, more likely to end badly for them in a permanent way than the trial. As players, it's hard/impossible to take that seriously, but from an in-universe perspective, survival is very unlikely.

So what Miranda and Shepard do feels right (to me). There are feelings definitely, but there's no reason to think too far ahead, and their focus is on enjoying the moment they have.

Modifié par flemm, 30 novembre 2013 - 05:37 .


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LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

well, I made some poses featuring Shep and miri on XNALara. Don't know if I should post them. One is kind of erotic, the others are fluff.

I think you should post them.


As do I. :D



Go for it!

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

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Even though I messed up here and there.



Of whoever the person is or? What am I judging?

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Omega4RelayResident wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

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Even though I messed up here and there.



Of whoever the person is or? What am I judging?


It's a screenshot of Yvonne from Chuck.

Modifié par LexieTheT-Rexy, 20 septembre 2011 - 12:37 .


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I could never take the SM seriously, and I never got the sense Shep was worried. Ilos, Virmire, hell the service history. Surviving the impossible is practically Shepard's job. But a trial isn't his element, and the verdict is predetermined. It's the difference between slim and no chance.

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jtav wrote...

I could never take the SM seriously, and I never got the sense Shep was worried. Ilos, Virmire, hell the service history. Surviving the impossible is practically Shepard's job. But a trial isn't his element, and the verdict is predetermined. It's the difference between slim and no chance.


I don't know... by that reasoning, I don't see why the trial would really be that big of an obstacle for him. Certainly quarian trials aren't Image IPB

Regardless, I think there would be sufficient risk of death for them to behave plausibly as they do: enjoy the moment, worry about the rest afterward.

Modifié par flemm, 20 septembre 2011 - 12:43 .


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There are some lines that show what are Shepard's feelings regarding the SM. "No promises", for example. Also, having the conversation with Liara aboard the Normandy before the SM (this one I'm assuming. I never actually did Lair before the SM).

Modifié par MisterJB, 20 septembre 2011 - 12:53 .


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LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

well, I made some poses featuring Shep and miri on XNALara. Don't know if I should post them. One is kind of erotic, the others are fluff.

I think you should post them.


As do I. :D

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Even though I messed up here and there.


O.O......<3<3<3<3

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LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

Nerd Herd Approval?:

Even though I messed up here and there.



Of whoever the person is or? What am I judging?


It's a screenshot of Yvonne from Chuck.


She looks so diffrent there.... not like other pics of her where her hair was photoshopped to be dark. I almost dont believe its her. Why the eff does she insist on being a blonde? Dark hair is better IMO.

I approve... but I am not a Nerd 100%.... im only 33% Nerd... 33% Jock.... 33% Social Butterfly.... does that count?

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LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

I wish we had more pictures of Miranda overall. If I did, I would make a picture for every day to countdown the game, if not to just entertain myself. XD

sigh, we'd just need 184 days worth of pics and We would all be happy(lexie, please don't do that many, I don't want to drive you crazy). hmmm, we need to have more ideas( by we, I mean every Miri fan including me)Image IPB


It's not that many. 168 days. XD

And I went through Chuck screenshots of Yvonne from all four seasons, but only managed to find 26 pictures I liked and had a 'Miri' vibe to them. I need moar. D:

I just checked my ME3 countdown app and we have 168 days and about 3 hours till ME3 ships, so lexie, you are spot on. Speaking of chuck dioes anyone know if more seasons are coming?

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flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I could never take the SM seriously, and I never got the sense Shep was worried. Ilos, Virmire, hell the service history. Surviving the impossible is practically Shepard's job. But a trial isn't his element, and the verdict is predetermined. It's the difference between slim and no chance.


I don't know... by that reasoning, I don't see why the trial would really be that big of an obstacle for him. Certainly quarian trials aren't Image IPB

Regardless, I think there would be sufficient risk of death for them to behave plausibly as they do: enjoy the moment, worry about the rest afterward.


I dunno...  From a meta-gaming perspective, the SM never seemed that bad.  It actually takes effort to not get everyone through (though I still managed to kill Mordin in my first pt *headdesk*).  If it had been built with a more Virmire-like mentality (e.g. someone's gonna die) then it might have had some more emotional impact.

Of course the same could be said for the trial.  When I first played Arrival I was more focused on the deaths of 304,942 batarians than on the impending trial because I knew (meta-gaming, again) that the Reaper invasion would interrupt the trial.  So I was never worried about it.

Looking at things from an in-game perspective, the whole of Arrival is basically a death sentence handed down from Hackett.  He asks you to do a mission which at best borders on espionage and has the potential to start an all-out war between the Alliance and the Hegemony at worst.  The way things go down, he can blame the whole thing on you, and chances are if the trial were to be allowed to complete, Shepard would be executed.

The same couldn't be said for the SM.  There's never any sense of urgency (until after the IFF is installed), and the entire time the crew seems to be in good spirits, even confident about their chances for success.  There were a few fleeting moments of dread (Horizon, going through the Omega-4 relay), but they were counteracted by an overwhelming sense that everything was going to be okay.  Call it middle-game syndrome - knowing that there's going to be a sequel - or chalk it up to the fact that throughout the rest of the game, Shep and crew seem invincible.  Seriously, a guy they pick up on Omega can come up with a countermeasure to the seeker swarms - which have been decimating human colonies - in a matter of weeks?  On a ship?  In-between missions?

I feel they could have driven home the point that this is a Suicide Mission a little better.  I don't know HOW exactly, but I believe it is possible.