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[Ieldra]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

jtav wrote...
I'm doing Arrival first, so if there's even a chance the base will mean the difference between victory and defeat...

Actually if you are doing Arrival before the Suicide mission there would be no way in hell Shep would keep the CB. Ingame perspective: The Aliance sends a highly organized platoon of specialist to research a Reaper artifact. They become indoctrinated. The CB is a Reaper tool to be used... no way would SS Shep keep it after doing Arrival... too much data point to the fact that anything to do with the Reapers cant be studied without risking indoctrination.

You have your facts wrong. The Alliance didn't send a specialist team. Kenson was a deep cover operative already in place who followed rumors about the artifact (though how there can be rumors of that when nobody believes in them remains a mystery). She may have been a scientist, but she was clearly in over her head or didn't have sufficient equipment to deal with something like this. I have yet to see instances of indoctrination where ignorance, stupidity or bad intention wasn't involved. Dr. Chandana? Set up camp in the derelict Reaper, assuming since it's dead it can't indoctrinate any more. Stupid. The various instances on sidequests? Ignorance. Saren's base? Bad intentions. Really, if I can come up with a safety setup for studying indoctrination from the information we've got, the experts of the ME universe should be able to do that as well.

I tend to compare the study of indoctrination with the study of radioactivity. The first researchers died from it, for a few decades people were aware that it's dangerous but still underestimated the long-term effects, and even nowadays we can't really protect ourselves from gamma radiation or fast neutrons except by limiting exposure. But even so, we understand it and can do useful things with it.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

I've also never gotten Miranda's comment about beating the prisoner on Purgatory. We need a "maximum banter" guide

I love that line. It really helps defining Miranda, IMO.

"Interrogation is sometimes necessary but this is just pointless cruelty."

And she sounds so angry too.

You don't happen to know how to get that comment?

Edit:
Forget the question. You answered it already

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 septembre 2011 - 08:10 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

I've also never gotten Miranda's comment about beating the prisoner on Purgatory. We need a "maximum banter" guide

I love that line. It really helps defining Miranda, IMO.

"Interrogation is sometimes necessary but this is just pointless cruelty."
And she sounds so angry too.

I'm wondering if we can take that as an implicit acceptance of torture  as an interrogation method, at least in theory? Since she says "interrogation is sometimes necessary." Well, duh. Suspects are interrogated every day It sounds more like she means enhanced interrogation. She certainly is willing to do murky things. But sadism is a bridge to far. She despises needless cruelty percisely because she can be cruel when ut is needful in her view.

I take it that way, yes. How far she'd go is an open question better left unanswered for everyone's peace of mind but I'd say she's definitely willing to go beyond talking if she thinks it's necessary. Using things like truth drugs would be her preferred style IMO, but Elyvern's fanfic has her shooting a captive in the knee to get an answer out of him and then sending him off to Cerberus interrogators for the details, which comes across as completely convincing as well. 

[Ieldra]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
I always bring Garrus and Miranda on that mission... Garrus does all the talking sadly.

Well, there is an easy solution for that problem. Don't bring Garrus . I'd say it's best to bring Mordin, since Jacob has priority over Miranda as well.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...
I was talking about the interrogation.

This can actually be pretty funny, too, in certain scenarios, since Thane is so terrible at playing bad cop. We needed to get Miranda in there...

Miranda (draws something up into a syringe, very visibly): "Are you sure you don't want to talk? You can talk to me now, or I'll give you this and let you spill your secrets to the press."

[Ieldra]

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

flemm wrote...
Of course, the fact that you all walk around heavily armed might reduce the frequency somewhat

No way. Miranda, catsuit allll the way.

He said "heavily armed", not "heavily armored", though the latter also applies in my cases. Catsuits are for infiltrations, out in the open they only attract undue attention. 

[Ieldra]

And since there is too much text:

[Gallimatia]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

jtav wrote...
I'm doing Arrival first, so if there's even a chance the base will mean the difference between victory and defeat...

Actually if you are doing Arrival before the Suicide mission there would be no way in hell Shep would keep the CB. Ingame perspective: The Aliance sends a highly organized platoon of specialist to research a Reaper artifact. They become indoctrinated. The CB is a Reaper tool to be used... no way would SS Shep keep it after doing Arrival... too much data point to the fact that anything to do with the Reapers cant be studied without risking indoctrination.

You have your facts wrong. The Alliance didn't send a specialist team. Kenson was a deep cover operative already in place who followed rumors about the artifact (though how there can be rumors of that when nobody believes in them remains a mystery). She may have been a scientist, but she was clearly in over her head or didn't have sufficient equipment to deal with something like this. I have yet to see instances of indoctrination where ignorance, stupidity or bad intention wasn't involved. Dr. Chandana? Set up camp in the derelict Reaper, assuming since it's dead it can't indoctrinate any more. Stupid. The various instances on sidequests? Ignorance. Saren's base? Bad intentions. Really, if I can come up with a safety setup for studying indoctrination from the information we've got, the experts of the ME universe should be able to do that as well.

I tend to compare the study of indoctrination with the study of radioactivity. The first researchers died from it, for a few decades people were aware that it's dangerous but still underestimated the long-term effects, and even nowadays we can't really protect ourselves from gamma radiation or fast neutrons except by limiting exposure. But even so, we understand it and can do useful things with it.

I fail to see how Arrival would in any way shape or form deter from study of reaper technology. Kenson studied the device she got her hands on rather than blowing it up and go figure she learned stuff about the reapers. If Kenson had let fear of indoctrination stop her she would have never known she needed to blow up a Mass Relay to give the galaxy some breathing room. Not only did she get very useful information about the coming invasion out of the artifact she even managed to finish the counter project up to the point of pulling the trigger. By then the gradual and slow indoctrination had gotten the best of her and she needed Shepard to push the button. If the alliance had had something as simple as off sight surveillance and swapped people out when they started making diary entries about how great the reapers are this project could have been completed without bloodshed.

[Prudii Aden]

Found this while browsing fanfiction.net- http://m.fanfiction.net/s/7390048/1/ - brief story about Shepard and Ashley meeting up on the Citadel post suicide mission. It's not a bash fic, and it's written from Ashley's perspective. I suspect a lot of Shepard's will agree with the sentiments put forth.

[Ieldra]

Prudii Aden wrote...
Found this while browsing fanfiction.net- http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7390048/1/ - brief story about Shepard and Ashley meeting up on the Citadel post suicide mission. It's not a bash fic, and it's written from Ashley's perspective. I suspect a lot of Shepard's will agree with the sentiments put forth.

An excellent and completely convincing one-shot. Could almost be my main Shepard.

Edited the link to include the FFN interface.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 septembre 2011 - 10:41 .

[who would know]

Wow, I just skipped to the end, and it seems powerful. Some former Ash fans may be interested.

Going back to read now.

[flemm]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Found this while browsing fanfiction.net- http://m.fanfiction.net/s/7390048/1/ - brief story about Shepard and Ashley meeting up on the Citadel post suicide mission. It's not a bash fic, and it's written from Ashley's perspective. I suspect a lot of Shepard's will agree with the sentiments put forth.

Good stuff. I never did the Ashley romance in ME1, so Horizon never really registered with me as the powerful moment it is for some. Miranda's basically an accessory here, but anyway, very convincing. Should be interesting to see how Bioware chooses to handle this type of reunion in ME3.

[jtav]

I reviewed. If BW handles it with this level of dignity and respect, I'll be very happy. That said, I'm going to chicken out and Virmire Ash on the Miranda romance playthrough.

[flemm]

Speaking theoretically, I will probably have to try a playthrough where I romance Ash, then Miranda, to see how this plays out. Might wait to hear if there's anything significant, though.

[raziel1980]

jtav wrote...

I reviewed. If BW handles it with this level of dignity and respect, I'll be very happy. That said, I'm going to chicken out and Virmire Ash on the Miranda romance playthrough.

For some reason, I can never virmire Ash...even with my femsheps, maybe that's because I roleplay it that they find him as boring as the men do and I'm also afraid that allowing to him to live since he's a sentinel as well will ultimately keep Miri from being apart of my party for very long in ME 3...and that is soemthing i can NOT take a chance with...not to mention, I can roleplay falling for Miri and atleast tolerating cereberus and TIM until the collector ship mission better with Horizon fiasco with Ash as the character i meet as opposed to the Kaiden reaction to the situation...

[jtav]

Um, well, I'm a shameless Kaidan fangirl anway. The final tally for imported games will be 2 for Kaidan and 2 for Ash. Kaidan is also the only character with two romance imports.

[raziel1980]

jtav wrote...

Um, well, I'm a shameless Kaidan fangirl anway. The final tally for imported games will be 2 for Kaidan and 2 for Ash. Kaidan is also the only character with two romance imports.

Well, if we're talking ME 1 characters...that would put me in the Liara camp then...since she will get 2 imports as well( 1 male, 1 female). And lol, atleast you admit your a fangirl.... Though I should mention that Miri effectively stole my heart from Liara as well...though it did take some time( and me actually playing the game @ first on PS3).

[jtav]

Oh, I love Liara, too. I wouldn't tear my hair out writing her with Miranda if I didn't. Though she got the bloodbath Shep. Kaidan is getting one of my main FemSheps and a bare bones Paragon run. Ash will draw the short straw and get cheated on with Tali. Miranda gets a single one. I also have a single Shep for ME3 (hopefully Vega).

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Oh, I love Liara, too. I wouldn't tear my hair out writing her with Miranda if I didn't. Though she got the bloodbath Shep.

Heh....we have that in common. Liara is with May Shepard, 100% pro-Cerberus Renegade who had three survivors on the SM.

Kaidan is getting one of my main FemSheps and a bare bones Paragon run. Ash will draw the short straw and get cheated on with Tali. Miranda gets a single one. I also have a single Shep for ME3 (hopefully Vega).

I'm looking forward to the male LI they'll present us with. Don't know enough about Vega yet to have any preference (why do you like him) but my main femShep wasn't thrilled with the selection in ME1 and ME2.

No problem with Ashley->Miranda games. I have two. Just in case I manage to go back to Ashley with one. I have little hope of being able to do this, though, even in the "for science" run. If I had only one Miranda romance game, then I'd probably leave Ashley on Virmire, too.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 septembre 2011 - 02:56 .

[jtav]

Something about Conviction struck a chord with me. Don't ask why him and not Garrus.

It's less about whether I can stay faithful and more about story. Nate's my brooding tragic hero, so his first LI dying fits right in. Things'll actually get better for him in ME3 I think. Miranda alive and his few friends no longer distrust him.

[American Tradegy]

 Facebook just featured this pretty amazing FanartIt's not really Miranda releated but she is still in it

[flemm]

Wow, that's pretty awesome.

Such a tease...

Modifié par flemm, 21 septembre 2011 - 03:24 .

[raziel1980]

jtav wrote...

Oh, I love Liara, too. I wouldn't tear my hair out writing her with Miranda if I didn't. Though she got the bloodbath Shep. Kaidan is getting one of my main FemSheps and a bare bones Paragon run. Ash will draw the short straw and get cheated on with Tali. Miranda gets a single one. I also have a single Shep for ME3 (hopefully Vega).

Hmmm... well, once we find out who this 'vigilante' chick is... I may make another male( or female) shep for her...though that would depend heavily on me liking her character n trailer first...Let's see here for me... I have 4 sheps on the PS3... one stayed faithful to Liara but flirted heavily with Miri, 2 more are pure Mirimancers... and the female is all about Garrus...though Miri is her BFF. The pc... one is with Liara and ready to be imported, My canon male( who has my real name) dated Ash but is dropping her after Horizon for Miri. My 3rd male is gonna stay single and take Miri in ME 2( still haven't really started his ME 1 run yet)...all 3 are renegons. The females... my ME 2 only femshep sentinel was flrting with Jacob but ultimately only wanted Garrus( she is a paragade). My current femshep( paragade infiltrator) is the female, I'm gonna have romance Liara all the way through. My other renegon vanguard ( mostly renegade) female is gonna romance Kaiden( but nuke him on Virmire...and I haven't decided if she's gonna get with Garrus or Thane just yet...

[jtav]

It is indeed awesome.

I'm thinking we'll get some more info next month, with Invasion beginning and the New York ComicCon.

[flemm]

Liara is the only other romance that I have any natural affinity for. Much less than Miranda, granted, but she is charming. I've done some of the others for the hell of it, though. Never got around to Ashley.

jtav wrote...

I'm thinking we'll get some more info next month, with Invasion beginning and the New York ComicCon.

May your words have the weight of prophecy, Thread Founder!

Modifié par flemm, 21 septembre 2011 - 03:38 .