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[Vertigo_1]

I actually did one for the Kaidan support thread here:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/7625879/343#8379852

I'm having too much fun with this...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 septembre 2011 - 02:39 .

[Skullheart]

So Vega came to ZZSSAT! our world (or at least BSN)

[flemm]

LoL, very cool, Vertigo, though I prefer the Miranda one. Not surprisingly, I guess

[jtav]

You know, the Darcy-Elizabeth/Shepard-Miranda parallel goes deeper for me than I realize. Her LM turned me into a goner. Not because she has a soft side. That's practically cliche. No, it was the knowledge of what she'd do for someone she loved with no expectation of reward. I had to have her. Pity Shep's what he is.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

You know, the Darcy-Elizabeth/Shepard-Miranda parallel goes deeper for me than I realize. Her LM turned me into a goner. Not because she has a soft side. That's practically cliche. No, it was the knowledge of what she'd do for someone she loved with no expectation of reward. I had to have her. Pity Shep's what he is.

Word. Miranda's loyalty mission is awesome, really. Not to everyone's taste in a shooter, perhaps. But for character development, it's awesome. She's not even planning on talking to Oriana. Who does that kind of thing? And it's not even the only example of its type in the game. Jacob's loyalty mission is pretty similar, as far as Miranda's involvement is concerned.

Edit: spelling.

Modifié par flemm, 24 septembre 2011 - 02:53 .

[jtav]

Yeah. Who wouldn't want to be loved by someone like that? Pity the game can't really follow up with that. I suspect that may be the root of my discontent. "Powerful, morally ambiguous figure who is devoted to loved one and makes grand gestures"is my favorite romance fantasy. And I didn't get it. "Defrosting ice queen" can't compare.

[flemm]

I don't know... You can read Miranda's romance a few different ways, I guess. Defrosting the ice queen is one. But the grand gestures are there as well. I mean, this is a man she brought back from the dead. Rebuilt, literally. "I do good work." (Or whatever the quote is.)

Modifié par flemm, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:04 .

[jtav]

Not so much. It's most;y a mild Slap Slap Kiss combined with the revelation she's scared of dying. I've got some nice headcanon that gives her that, but it's headcanon. Closest in game would be saving him on the SM.

And I'm talking about things she does out of love/caring, not just impressiveness in general.

Modifié par jtav, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:09 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
 It's most;y a mild Slap Slap Kiss combined with the revelation she's scared of dying.

You mean the "promise me" line? That's more about Shep dying, isn't it? I actually think that's one of the more interesting lines in the romance. Because, again, it has little to do with her, really, in the purely selfish sense.

Modifié par flemm, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:12 .

[MisterJB]

Agreed with flemm. The usually 100% rational Miranda trying to extract that kind of promise struck me as a very caring gesture.

BTW, there's always the Paragon path. No slaps there

[jtav]

Sorry. I meant Shep dying. It's touching, but not that interesting. She's scared of heartbreak.

All in favor of slashing the number of romances so those remaining can be longer and deeper?

And Paragon path is too cheesy.

I want to romance her. I also want to rewrite the thing from the ground up. Make sense?

Modifié par jtav, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:22 .

[flemm]

I don't really feel it that way. I do see what you're saying. Yes, it can be read that way: "Don't die, because it will hurt me if you die." But I take it to mean more that Shepard is on the short list from that point on, i.e. his well-being matters to Miranda, like Oriana's.

As far as romance slashing is concerned, it seems that there will be more romance options, including some characters not on the squad. But there has also been talk of deeper, more emotional interactions. If LotSB is a model, then I could see them achieving both at once.

Modifié par flemm, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:25 .

[MisterJB]

So...are we talking about some actual slashing? I mean, I have to give this omniblade some use.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

So...are we talking about some actual slashing? I mean, I have to give this omniblade some use.

Loool... "slash" is such a loaded word where pop culture romances are concerned... I knew I would regret using it as soon as I typed it

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...
Sorry. I meant Shep dying. It's touching, but not that interesting. She's scared of heartbreak.
All in favor of slashing the number of romances so those remaining can be longer and deeper?

I'm not so sure that it would work, remember how the whole "We can show how a relationship develops over the course of years" thing in Dragon Age 2 ended up? Bioware is really good at starting romance arcs, but isn't that great at what happens next.

[Sepewrath]

Yeah I don't know why people think less means it going to be deeper, that is not an automatic. Problem is, the fact that they are probably going to likely make you go through the same basic relationship starting routine in ME3 as you did in 1 and 2. So you can have the option to change your mind, that is what limits them. If people were willing to give that up, maybe they could add more depth.

[Ieldra]

Oh, I can see a solution for that. ME3 will have a prologue for players who don't import where they can select what their Shepard did in the events of ME1 and ME2. I believe you can also select who you might have romanced, which means that the old LIs can be written as if Shepards already knows them, with no need for introduction-type conversations.

With that structure, they can make it so that it isn't possible to switch to ME1 and ME2 LIs in ME3 if you haven't set the romance flag in the prologue or romanced them before, and they can write their romances in ME3 as chapter 2, so to speak. Only the new characters will be available for a starting romance.

Whether they will do that is another question. But it's actually easier than to write two romance tracks for old and new players.

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...
Sorry. I meant Shep dying. It's touching, but not that interesting. She's scared of heartbreak.
All in favor of slashing the number of romances so those remaining can be longer and deeper?

I'm not so sure that it would work, remember how the whole "We can show how a relationship develops over the course of years" thing in Dragon Age 2 ended up? Bioware is really good at starting romance arcs, but isn't that great at what happens next.

Dragon Age 2 was rushed, and it was only one game. A better comparison would be what happened with the romances from BG2 in TOB. I don't recall them in detail since after the first two games I only played modded romances, but I recall at least one was pretty convincing.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Some LIs are going to get short shift. There are simply too many LIs for it to be otherwise. We aren't going to have a squad of only romanceables.

No? Things look exactly that way at the moment, assuming that Vega will be an LI. At least for those who are on the squad for longer, excepting possible DLC characters. 

Having said that, yes, I think some LIs will have less screen presence than others. Not necessarily less romance content, but a lesser presence overall. Jacob, Jack and possibly Thane come to mind.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
And I seem to have found a quote that encapsulates both my maleShep's and my feelings for her. From the '95 Pride and Prejudice miniseries:

In vain I have struggled. It will not do. My feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you...Almost from the earliest moments of our acquaintance I have come to feel for you a passionate admiration and regard, which despite my struggles has overcome every rational objection

Well there are worst models than Darcy and Elizabeth.

How charmingly old-fashioned. I like it.

Not that I feel like that. Miranda has been utterly fascinating from the start and I didn't have any rational objections since I like her as both a person and as what she represents.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Did I miss something? Why is there doubt that Yvonne won't be reprising her role as Miri again?

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
No? Things look exactly that way at the moment, assuming that Vega will be an LI. At least for those who are on the squad for longer, excepting possible DLC characters. 

I thought jtav was referring to "romanceables" from prior games. But, yeah, it does look like most of the squad will be potential love interests. That, plus a relationship or two with Normandy NPCs (which I think would require minimal effort, since they are always hanging around anyway), would add up to more options than in ME2. Liara, VS, Vega, Tali, Garrus all will be romances. Aria, I imagine, if she is there. So will Miranda, if she is with you for a significant period.

Only likely exceptions on the squad would be Legion and maybe the new "surprise," such as a Prothean.

Ieldra2 wrote...
Having said that, yes, I think some LIs will have less screen presence than others. Not necessarily less romance content, but a lesser presence overall. Jacob, Jack and possibly Thane come to mind.

Probably for these three the only romance content will be in imported games. Same would be true for Miranda if she only makes a brief appearance, I suppose.

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Did I miss something? Why is there doubt that Yvonne won't be reprising her role as Miri again?

She declined to confirm her involvement in ME3 in a recent interview. But she's made the same type of "I can't talk about that" comment before, and she is probably not supposed to say anything until she actually starts recording.

So, we were worrying about it. But it's nothing to worry about. If that makes sense  

Modifié par flemm, 24 septembre 2011 - 10:21 .

[nitefyre410]

speculation - its what the BSN does best the only way I don't see her coming back is if its a huge scheduling conflict

[Prudii Aden]

If they were smart, then as part of the contract for ME2 VA work, they'd have included ME3, especially as they're using her digitised face...

[diamondedge]

jtav wrote...
Sorry. I meant Shep dying. It's touching, but not that interesting. She's scared of heartbreak.

Well, of course. She probably never felt anything similar to what she feels for Shapard and it's natural to be afraid of loosing that. It may be cliched way to go around it, but chicles became cliches for a reason - they work.

The transformation from her matter-of-fact mission briefings to her heartfelt confession that she desires Shepard and fear for his safety is rather touching, from my perspective. I am well satisfied.