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[pancholonita]

nice image

Modifié par pancholonita, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:41 .

[Shotokanguy]

That picture gives me hope they can do Yvonne justice with a few changes. What part of the game is that? I don't remember a shuttle scene like that.

[Ieldra]

Shotokanguy wrote...
That picture gives me hope they can do Yvonne justice with a few changes. What part of the game is that? I don't remember a shuttle scene like that.

Garrus' LM. This is extremely hard to make a shot from, since it lasts about a tenth of a second.

[Ieldra]

Blacklash93 wrote...
I don't have much to say, but I'd like to show my support for Miranda. I'm a sucker for cool, competent female characters.

To different degrees, so are we all

I hope we get to see her father in ME3. I was kind of disappointed we didn't get to confront him in ME2.

Hard to say if we will. There's so much stuff she's connected to that dealing with her father might just be too insignificant to matter within the events of ME3. Also I'm not sure if he isn't better as the mysterious figure in the background whose purposes we never get to know. As long as Miranda can make peace with her origin and appreciate that he did something good when he gave her her gifts, no matter that he ruined it all by emotional abuse, it's more or less all the same for me. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 septembre 2011 - 11:13 .

[JeffZero]

Heh, I agree with you about Miranda's father being in ME3, Ieldra. While I wouldn't object to it per se, Miranda has a lot of potential to be an integral part of more pertinent aspects of the story given what we know about Cerberus' role in the game. I think the writers would have to mesh her father into the big picture in a pretty big way to really make it work.

[MassEffect4Eva1710]

This just sprang into my mind; what if Miranda's father is working for the Reapers to ensure his saftey? What if we have to confront him because he has information about them? From what I know about him he seems to be power-hungry and to me it seems plausible that he could work for them.

But that is just a thought of mine. What do you think?

[Ieldra]

MassEffect4Eva1710 wrote...
This just sprang into my mind; what if Miranda's father is working for the Reapers to ensure his saftey? What if we have to confront him because he has information about them? From what I know about him he seems to be power-hungry and to me it seems plausible that he could work for them.

But that is just a thought of mine. What do you think?

The reason I don't like this much is this: I cannot imagine that any sane, non-indoctrinated person would ever willingly work with the Reapers. Anyone who does so cannot reasonably expect to survive their invasion with their individuality intact. Either they'll be transformed into something unrecognizeable or harvested to build more Reapers. Once they've won, the Reapers have no reason to keep any bargains made with them before. Anyone who expects otherwise is stupid or mad IMO. And Miranda's father, being the head of a multistellar business, doesn't strike me as either.

(I have the same problem with the idea of TIM working with the Reapers, but that's for a different thread)

[flemm]

JeffZero wrote...
I think the writers would have to mesh her father into the big picture in a pretty big way to really make it work.

Agreed with you and Ieldra here. The only way we would be likely to see him, I think, would be if he turns out to be significant for the main story, rather than just for Miranda's character development. Which I suppose is possible, given that he is supposed to be extremely powerful and influential.

Ieldra2 wrote...
Anyone who does so cannot reasonably expect to survive their invasion with their individuality intact.

Possible retcon incoming? It's a big enough problem, where TIM is concerned, that I suppose we might find out there is some option for long term survival as an ally of the Reapers. Could potentially even be Miranda-related, if her being "in trouble" (or not "ok" or whatever it was) has something to so with her being captured/tortured/indoctrinated, etc.

Modifié par flemm, 25 septembre 2011 - 01:34 .

[MisterJB]

JeffZero wrote...
While I wouldn't object to it per se, Miranda has a lot of potential to be an integral part of more pertinent aspects of the story given what we know about Cerberus' role in the game. I think the writers would have to mesh her father into the big picture in a pretty big way to really make it work.

I think Miranda's father could easily be tied into to the main plot by way of Cerberus, him being a former supporter.
It could be similar to Liara and Noveria in ME1. Shepard faces Benezia either way, bringing Liara just adds a whole new level of significance to it.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
I think Miranda's father could easily be tied into to the main plot by way of Cerberus, him being a former supporter.

We do know he is obsessed with his "dynasty" and the future of his business empire or whatever it is, so perhaps he's the type of person who would see alliance with the Reapers (if such a thing is possible) to be preferable to death. We don't know many details, but accepting mortality and the normal limitations of organic life doesn't really seem to be his m.o.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
I think Miranda's father could easily be tied into to the main plot by way of Cerberus, him being a former supporter.

We do know he is obsessed with his "dynasty" and the future of his business empire or whatever it is, so perhaps he's the type of person who would see alliance with the Reapers (if such a thing is possible) to be preferable to death. We don't know many details, but accepting mortality and the normal limitations of organic life doesn't really seem to be his m.o.

Of course not. That's an attribute I admire in him btw.. But I don't think he'd work with the Reapers if he couldn't expect survival as an individual as the price, possibly together with what remains of his dynasty. That, however, is against everything we know of the Reapers. To change that would be a retcon of epic proportions.

[nitefyre410]

flemm wrote...

JeffZero wrote...
I think the writers would have to mesh her father into the big picture in a pretty big way to really make it work.

Agreed with you and Ieldra here. The only way we would be likely to see him, I think, would be if he turns out to be significant for the main story, rather than just for Miranda's character development. Which I suppose is possible, given that he is supposed to be extremely powerful and influential.

Ieldra2 wrote...
Anyone who does so cannot reasonably expect to survive their invasion with their individuality intact.

Possible retcon incoming? It's a big enough problem, where TIM is concerned, that I suppose we might find out there is some option for long term survival as an ally of the Reapers. Could potentially even be Miranda-related, if her being "in trouble" (or not "ok" or whatever it was) has something to so with her being captured/tortured/indoctrinated, etc.

 



They are going to need to do something to explain why a man who has spent the past 30 years of his life trying to stop the Reapers all of suddenly now is working for them.   Maybe  play the angle that he was after  Shepard  being a Proxy for the  Reapers to collect his body after they other Proxy the  "Collectors" killed him. Just to bring  Shepard back   and how the human body and mind  react the changing process hoping to make Humanity their new "Collectors".  Of course they are going to have to  resolve this with the enter  TIM comic that came out.    What it is - I don't like it - it just shows not enough thought in the whole  antagonist. Which is common its really hard to find a really  good vilian these days in almost anything.     Im  talking  Joker, Lex Luther class villian  ones you love but know you should hate just because. 

Edit: Of course this rather  "Meh"  why for things to play out means that Miranda was being used the whole time and if so it would have been nice to seen some  foreshadowing of  such things.  She comes across a file and small tid bit of information something the starts to shake her  confidence in the organization.  

BTW: I'm huge fan of foreshadowing when its used   well.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 25 septembre 2011 - 02:12 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Of course not. That's an attribute I admire in him btw.. But I don't think he'd work with the Reapers if he couldn't expect survival as an individual as the price, possibly together with what remains of his dynasty. That, however, is against everything we know of the Reapers. To change that would be a retcon of epic proportions.

It would be epic and massive, no doubt. But, unless TIM is just a completely indoctrinated slave (which would be rather dull), then something of that nature seems likely. He would at least need to have some plausible goal... his own survival, the survival of part of humanity... something.

If that is so, then Miranda's father being on board wouldn't be too much of a leap.

Modifié par flemm, 25 septembre 2011 - 02:14 .

[Vertigo_1]

Well Martin Sheen just got confirmed for ME3

www.youtube.com/watch

Notice how he said the script wasn't ready in August...I'm thinking it was part of the delay in the game

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 25 septembre 2011 - 03:28 .

[jtav]

Random Miranda predictions. Some of these I like, some I don't. For now, I'm presenting them without comment. I'll be glad to explain my reasoning as requested.

--She won't be permanent, but she'll get a mission or two toward the end of the Cerberus plot. If she's "permanent", she'll be among the last recruited.
--She'll start the game with Cerberus regardless of player choice. Blackmail will be involved.
--Alternatively, she'll be captured by Cerberus with plans to make her another Grayson. You will interrupt halfway through
--The redesign will be fairly dramatic and split the fanbase. She will get armor in combat, lighter than what she has now but heavier than commando leathers. Casual outfit and hair will receive significant changes.
--She can be killed fairly easily if the player so chooses.
--Romance won't be a huge deal. A few extra lines and a love scene before the final battle should you have no other lovers.
--The confrontation between LIs will consist of a few catty remarks. A "choice" scene will replace the love scene. Everyone will come out with their dignity mostly intact.
--Miranda will always assume control of what remains of Cerberus resources. What happens next depends on player choice. Cerberus may become an Alliance agency, Miranda may keep them on their pre-Reaper course, or something in between.
--A combination of his implants and Arrival will put Shep at risk of becoming another Saren. Miranda will be one of the easier (but not the only) paths to a cure.
--Her father's identity will be revealed, but we won't meet him.
--Miranda will be less ruthless, but it'll be mostly from lack of opportunity. She will remain professional on the job.
--She will be more emotional in private.
--We'll get a "locker" scene where she comforts Shep.
--Pregnancy will be mentioned in the epilogue if romanced, possibly only if Shep died.

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Notice how he said the script wasn't ready in August...I'm thinking it was part of the delay in the game

That fits with the Mac Walters tweet about doing first pass writing on a Miranda scene in mid-August. There was a follow-up question about how late stuff can make it into the game:

"Great question. Technically we should be done soon. Realistically it doesn't work that way. We'll record a couple months more."

So, it sounds like they had to reschedule some stuff around that time.

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well Martin Sheen just got confirmed for ME3

www.youtube.com/watch

Notice how he said the script wasn't ready in August...I'm thinking it was part of the delay in the game

I think the unavailability of some VA could also be a reason.

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 septembre 2011 - 03:38 .

[Vertigo_1]

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well Martin Sheen just got confirmed for ME3

www.youtube.com/watch

Notice how he said the script wasn't ready in August...I'm thinking it was part of the delay in the game

I think the unavailability of some VA could also be a reason.

Err he records alone, it sounded like he was ready to go and they said "No, we have to delay the recording for a month"
He did say he will go to record in a few weeks (video was made on Sept 10)

I think your worrying too much over Yvonne

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Random Miranda predictions.

Ok, I'll bite. Though a lot of stuff really depends on whether or not she's on the squad, tbh. Other things fall in line, especially availability as a love interest. If she's around a lot, she will be. If not, no.

jtav wrote...
--She won't be permanent, but she'll get a mission or two toward the end of the Cerberus plot. If she's "permanent", she'll be among the last recruited.

The tease about her being in trouble sounds more like an early-game type of mission to me. She would likely be involved at the end of the Cerberus plot as well, though. I suppose a small-scale Miranda appearance could be something like: you help her deal with whatever the problem is, then she shows up again when you confront TIM.

The blackmail possibility strikes me as a tad far-fetched. Too complicated, and not really new-player friendly, since new players wouldn't know about Oriana.

But Miranda captured and resisting indoctrination, so you need to get there quick... more of a strong possibility, I would think.

jtav wrote...
--The redesign will be fairly dramatic and split the fanbase.

Basically guaranteed, since even not changing the design would split the fanbase

jtav wrote...
--She can be killed fairly easily if the player so chooses.

Or not recruited. Many of the squad members who can be dead will probably have that option, since the game will need to adjust for their absence anyway. So they would work like Grunt or Legion: you can open the tank/invite them to join you, or not.

More thoughts later, as time permits.

Modifié par flemm, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:02 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
--The redesign will be fairly dramatic and split the fanbase.

Basically guaranteed, since even not changing the design would split the fanbase

Wait....the fanbase isn't already split?

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Wait....the fanbase isn't already split?

Perhaps I should have opted for a different verb tense there

Or more precise language in any event...

EDIT: Squad appearance customization would really help with this, though. Yet another important point that will be dependant on Miranda's squad status. If she's on the squad, we'll probably get multiple options, including armor and catsuit. If not, no.

Modifié par flemm, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:13 .

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
I think your worrying too much over Yvonne

Well I doubt they would have managed to record her in time for november ... so this could also be one of the reasons of the delay.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well Martin Sheen just got confirmed for ME3

www.youtube.com/watch

Notice how he said the script wasn't ready in August...I'm thinking it was part of the delay in the game

Sweet! 

Now all we need is a video like this with Yvonne:wub:!

[Melra]

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
I think your worrying too much over Yvonne

Well I doubt they would have managed to record her in time for november ... so this could also be one of the reasons of the delay.

I see no reason for them to delay Sheen's sessions simply because Yvonne won't make it. I am not worried, no reason to be worried. I have SWTOR just around the corner, if things won't go as planned.

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
I think your worrying too much over Yvonne

Well I doubt they would have managed to record her in time for november ... so this could also be one of the reasons of the delay.

I see no reason for them to delay Sheen's sessions simply because Yvonne won't make it. I am not worried, no reason to be worried. I have SWTOR just around the corner, if things won't go as planned.

No, I meant the ME3 delay, not Sheen's session delay.
The game was originaly planned for november.

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:21 .