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[jtav]

I don't think she'll be permanent because she's human. We'll get three humans tops on the permanent squad. VS, Vega, and a new human female. If, by some chance, there is no new human female, Miranda may come back in a larger role.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Please BioWare. Do NOT construct an epic fail. Yvonne has to be Miri again, she is a vital part.

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...
I have SWTOR just around the corner, if things won't go as planned.

Yeah, me too.

[Vertigo_1]

Yannkee wrote...
No, I meant the ME3 delay, not Sheen's session delay.
The game was originaly planned for november.

No, not November specifically, but Holiday 2011

I have a feeling they also delayed it due to SWOTOR coming out Holiday 2011 (along with other hit games being out there)

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I don't think she'll be permanent because she's human. We'll get three humans tops on the permanent squad. VS, Vega, and a new human female. If, by some chance, there is no new human female, Miranda may come back in a larger role.

Well, I agree that Miranda's squad membership probably depends on whether or not there is a new human female on the squad. There will be another human female, almost definitely, either Miranda or someone else. But that decision was probably made early in development.

Only reason to change would be Yvonne being unwilling/unable to commit to a large role.

Bringing Spirituality's XO Lawson image back since I'm near the top.

EDIT: Oups, not as near as I thought, but whatever.

Modifié par flemm, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:29 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

If I were to get SWTOR, do I have to play KOTOR? Do you have to transfer a save? Or can I just go straight to SWOTOR? I'm starting to get anxious to buy SWORTOR.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 25 septembre 2011 - 06:36 .

[Ieldra]

[quote]jtav wrote...
--She won't be permanent, but she'll get a mission or two toward the end of the Cerberus plot. If she's "permanent", she'll be among the last recruited.[/quote]
I can see the logic behind the "latecomer" hypothesis. She'd be involved with solving the mystery of why Cerberus is after Shepard, and that can't appear too early in the game. But flemm also has a point with his counter-hypothesis. I'm undecided what to think. 
About her status, well, I'm still saying that of the team members whose status is not yet confirmed, Miranda would make the most sense as being on the team. If she doesn't get that, she'll have been intentionally sidelined, and I'll not be happy about it. Especially if they put another human female in at her expense. In that case I'm going to get *really* angry.

[quote]--She'll start the game with Cerberus regardless of player choice. Blackmail will be involved.
--Alternatively, she'll be captured by Cerberus with plans to make her another Grayson. You will interrupt halfway through[/quote]
These sound both plausible, though I wouldn't find the blackmail scenario convincing and hope it's the other one.

[quote]--The redesign will be fairly dramatic and split the fanbase. She will get armor in combat, lighter than what she has now but heavier than commando leathers. Casual outfit and hair will receive significant changes.[/quote]
I find that plausible as well.

[quote]--She can be killed fairly easily if the player so chooses.[/quote]
Easier than others? Why would that be?

[quote]--Romance won't be a huge deal. A few extra lines and a love scene before the final battle should you have no other lovers.[/quote]
Agreed that it will not be a huge deal, but I don't think we'll get much less than in ME2. About that pre-final-battle scene, I don't know. Perhaps Bioware will try to avoid it this time.

[quote]--The confrontation between LIs will consist of a few catty remarks. A "choice" scene will replace the love scene. Everyone will come out with their dignity mostly intact.[/quote]
Replace the love scene? I can't see that happening, really. Please explain.

[quote]--Miranda will always assume control of what remains of Cerberus resources. What happens next depends on player choice. Cerberus may become an Alliance agency, Miranda may keep them on their pre-Reaper course, or something in between.[/quote]
Hmm....also plausible.

[quote]--A combination of his implants and Arrival will put Shep at risk of becoming another Saren. Miranda will be one of the easier (but not the only) paths to a cure.[/quote]
This appears likely to happen, yes.

[quote]--Her father's identity will be revealed, but we won't meet him.[/quote]
Agreed. They've said they'll reveal the mysteries in ME3, but he's probably insignificant in the larger scheme of things so we won't meet him.

[quote]--Miranda will be less ruthless, but it'll be mostly from lack of opportunity. She will remain professional on the job.
--She will be more emotional in private.[/quote]
Agreed with the first, not so sure about the second. She already was pretty emotional in private in ME2.

[quote]--We'll get a "locker" scene where she comforts Shep.[/quote]
Definitely.

[quote]--Pregnancy will be mentioned in the epilogue if romanced, possibly only if Shep died.
[/quote]
Mentioned....yeah, that also sound plausible.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:36 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
If she doesn't get that, she'll have been intentionally sidelined, and I'll not be happy about it. Especially if they put another human female in at her expense.

Or they had no choice because they couldn't make it work with Yvonne for a larger role. Otherwise, yes. And no, I won't be happy.

ZZASSTT!

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
No, I meant the ME3 delay, not Sheen's session delay.
The game was originaly planned for november.

No, not November specifically, but Holiday 2011

I have a feeling they also delayed it due to SWOTOR coming out Holiday 2011 (along with other hit games being out there)

Yeah maybe.

[jtav]

Not killed easier than others, but more easily than the first time through. So those who dislike her can dispose of her.

And I figure the consequence of cheating/reward for fidelity is the ability to actually see a love scene. The final battle is the only place I can imagine everyone being gathered together to have that confrontation. Though I retract the skipped love scene part.

I refuse to get upset at a new human until I know more about her. I might like her more.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I refuse to get upset at a new human until I know more about her. I might like her more.

Quality of the character is not really the issue. It's the last installment in the trilogy, so Miranda should be there in a big way. A really cool Turian could be developed to replace Garrus, and I wouldn't personally care very much, but it still wouldn't be the right choice for the culmination of a story like this. Same with all the other characters. Anyone could be the Shadow Broker, for example.

I get that some ME1 fans were/are resentful of Miranda, but that was part 2. The VS, for example, was always going to come back in a big way in part 3. And rightly so.

It's probably a moot point, since, barring some complication with Yvonne's involvement, I expect Miranda to be there.

Modifié par flemm, 25 septembre 2011 - 05:12 .

[jtav]

I disagree with your premise since it would logically apply equally to Jacob, and I'd be floored if he's back.I think it'll be important to BW to have a human female alive in all games for the sake of the casuals and marketing. Legion's my bet for token ME2 squaddie. Subject to change with new info of course.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...
I'd be floored if he's back

Of course Jacob is back, his role and screentime are unknown.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I refuse to get upset at a new human until I know more about her. I might like her more.

The only way I'd like a new character more would be if she'd have significant overlap with Miranda in charaterization. And then, of course, I'd hate her more because there'd be even less reason to replace Miranda with her.

[jtav]

As a squad member, Vertigo.

And, Ieldra, my relationship with Ms. Lawson is more complicated than yours, so there's definitely room.

[Xilizhra]

--Miranda will always assume control of what remains of Cerberus resources. What happens next depends on player choice. Cerberus may become an Alliance agency, Miranda may keep them on their pre-Reaper course, or something in between.

Will there be an option to obliterate Cerberus root and branch? I think that might be for the best. I want no trace of its existence, except maybe ex-personnel, to survive.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

As a squad member, Vertigo.

Oh your post made me think you doubted we would see him at all...

I remember when the first list of squadmates came out for ME3 in that magazine (PS3M) they doubted Jacob would return...and a lot of folks believed that may indeed happen due to his low popularity.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I disagree with your premise since it would logically apply equally to Jacob, and I'd be floored if he's back.I think it'll be important to BW to have a human female alive in all games for the sake of the casuals and marketing. Legion's my bet for token ME2 squaddie. Subject to change with new info of course.

As opposed to the earlier games, there won't be anyone but Shepard on the box it appears. So that argument has little weight for ME3.

As for Jacob, he doesn't equally apply because he's so very unpopular that it cancels out the continuity issues. Miranda (1) has lots of unrealized story potential, (2) needs to be back for continuity and (3) is very popular. That all points in the same direction. Of course Bioware can choose to disregard all that for a newcomer, but it would come at a much higher cost than Jacob's semi-replacement.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 septembre 2011 - 05:48 .

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...

--Miranda will always assume control of what remains of Cerberus resources. What happens next depends on player choice. Cerberus may become an Alliance agency, Miranda may keep them on their pre-Reaper course, or something in between.

Will there be an option to obliterate Cerberus root and branch? I think that might be for the best. I want no trace of its existence, except maybe ex-personnel, to survive.

You'd reject everything Cerberus has ever collected, destroy all intelligence and all the material - like space stations, starships etc - just because it belonged to Cerberus? I certainly hope we won't get an option *that* stupid.

[Vertigo_1]

Let's not call other people opinions stupid please...

[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

--Miranda will always assume control of what remains of Cerberus resources. What happens next depends on player choice. Cerberus may become an Alliance agency, Miranda may keep them on their pre-Reaper course, or something in between.

Will there be an option to obliterate Cerberus root and branch? I think that might be for the best. I want no trace of its existence, except maybe ex-personnel, to survive.

You'd reject everything Cerberus has ever collected, destroy all intelligence and all the material - like space stations, starships etc - just because it belonged to Cerberus? I certainly hope we won't get an option *that* stupid.

There's a fine line between that and Cerberus becoming an Alliance organization. Cerberus resources could be scavenged, but that's the point: scavenged from a rightfully killed carcass, not simply given a new name for the same thing. If there is a new Alliance organization, I want it to be very clearly not Cerberus in any way, even if it has to recycle some Cerberus resources.

[jtav]

I expect Jacob to be Horizon'd, but he'll be there.

And it's not the box art. It's Morrigan, Isabela, , Bastila, Ash, and Miranda herself. They'll have a human female LI available, though I suppose they might get adventurous and use Liara.

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

--Miranda will always assume control of what remains of Cerberus resources. What happens next depends on player choice. Cerberus may become an Alliance agency, Miranda may keep them on their pre-Reaper course, or something in between.

Will there be an option to obliterate Cerberus root and branch? I think that might be for the best. I want no trace of its existence, except maybe ex-personnel, to survive.

You'd reject everything Cerberus has ever collected, destroy all intelligence and all the material - like space stations, starships etc - just because it belonged to Cerberus? I certainly hope we won't get an option *that* stupid.

Hopefully we do, it's not even close to being as stupid as the alternative.

Modifié par Melrache, 25 septembre 2011 - 05:59 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I disagree with your premise since it would logically apply equally to Jacob, and I'd be floored if he's back.

It's not a good comparison. He will be back, but not in a major role. He doesn't have the same level of plot hooks, isn't anywhere near as popular, and doesn't bring anything to the table as far as dramatic tension on the Normandy is concerned. I expect him to have a really cool appearance, by the way. But with Miranda, we're talking about the lead NPC in the more successful of the two installments of the franchise.

Anyone can be leveraged into the story, if that is desirable (Liara as the Shadow Broker). With Miranda, as Ieldra points out, you'd basically have to leverage her out of the story for her not to be there.

If Ashley/Miranda together doesn't provide enough coverage as far as human female love interests are concerned, then the thing to do would be to develop a really cool human female NPC LI, such as the new research scientist on the Normandy, for example. Something like that strikes me as fairly plausible, by the way, given the talk of non-squad romances.

Modifié par flemm, 25 septembre 2011 - 06:07 .

[Ieldra]

@Melrache:
You mean retaining the collected intelligence and materials and use them to fight the Reapers? I rest my case.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 septembre 2011 - 06:00 .