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[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Melrache:
You mean retaining the collected intelligence and materials and use them to fight the Reapers? I rest my case.

I mean after the Reapers. Though it doesn't look like anything of Cerberus will help us much.

[Almostfaceman]

Xilizhra wrote...

--Miranda will always assume control of what remains of Cerberus resources. What happens next depends on player choice. Cerberus may become an Alliance agency, Miranda may keep them on their pre-Reaper course, or something in between.

Will there be an option to obliterate Cerberus root and branch? I think that might be for the best. I want no trace of its existence, except maybe ex-personnel, to survive.

Unfortunately Cerberus will never entirely be obliterated, since there's a little bit of Cerberus in each and every one of us. 

[jtav]

There's Hisold-Cord, New Dawn Pharmaceuticals, gobs of cash, space stations, weapons, and God knows what else lying around. You're suggesting they be trashed? I'd suggest the most Paragon outcome is the Alliance or Council getting their paws on the stuff.

[Hillbillyshep]

jtav wrote...

There's Hisold-Cord, New Dawn Pharmaceuticals, gobs of cash, space stations, weapons, and God knows what else lying around. You're suggesting they be trashed? I'd suggest the most Paragon outcome is the Alliance or Council getting their paws on the stuff.

WTF is "Hisold-Cord?
Hislop-Core is TIM´s company, which logo Cerberus uses.
The front for Cerberus.

Anyway, i hope we´ll get some Miri stuff soon!

[flemm]

Defeating Cerberus will probably contribute pretty directly to defeating the Reapers, I would think. Not just in the obvious sense of Cerberus being the first in line, but in the sense that defeating them gives you access to some essential knowledge or weapon. It would just make for a tighter story.

As for the rest of the Cerberus apparatus, some controversy over this seems like a pretty good place to give the player a major choice to make. So, maybe Aria on one side, and Miranda on the other.

We tend to think of Miranda as the one wanting to exploit the remaining Cerberus resources, but I suppose it's possible that would actually be Aria's point of view. She would want to start over somehow after the loss of Omega. And Miranda might be ready to put her Cerberus ties behind her by that time.

Modifié par flemm, 25 septembre 2011 - 07:50 .

[jtav]

A typo, obviously.

Anyway. I have at last created a decent-looking MaleShep. I think he's fit for Miranda.

@flemm: I really hope you're wrong. I don't want Miranda to put it behind her.

Modifié par jtav, 25 septembre 2011 - 07:53 .

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

A typo, obviously.

Anyway. I have at last created a decent-looking MaleShep. I think he's fit for Miranda.

@flemm: I really hope you're wrong. I don't want Miranda to put it behind her.

Why's that? Cerberus is a bastion of evil, humanity's cancer. I can see her wanting to start something new, but not bringing along all her old ties or methods.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 25 septembre 2011 - 07:55 .

[flemm]

By the way, random thought: TIM becomes a surprise Loghain-esque squad member. LoL.

@jtav, for clarity's sake, I'm not advocating that. Just musing on the possibilities.

Modifié par flemm, 25 septembre 2011 - 07:57 .

[jtav]

I'd considered the idea, but I don't think he's physically capable of performing at the same level as the rest of the squad.

First I dispute the notion that a black ops organization is necessarily a "cancer." Second, I regard Miranda as one of the bad guys who I'm working with by necessity. As strongly as I argue for her consequentialism, I don't think much if it as an ethical system. I want her to stay that quasi-villain.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I'd considered the idea, but I don't think he's physically capable of performing at the same level as the rest of the squad.

Far-fetched, but fun speculation, I think the scenario would be: TIM is indoctrinated, receives cybernetic enhancements, there is a boss fight, you defeat him, but without killing him. Freed from the Reaper's control, he retains some of his boosted combat abilities and joins you in defeating the Reapers.  

Re: Miranda's character arc, I do think it's possible it might be headed toward integration into the Alliance. It's the biggest journey for her to make, really, which would be the attraction for the writers, I would think.

It looks a bit like Ashley is going to be Miranda 2.0 at the beginning of ME3. She's been redesigned to look a lot more like her, and I would expect a certain initial icyness after Horizon. And there's the trial to further distance the two. Whereas Miranda at this point, if she's around and recruitable, is clearly your ally. But at odds with the Alliance. So she needs another direction.

Not advocating, just musing.

Modifié par flemm, 25 septembre 2011 - 08:20 .

[jtav]

It's possible, though I would sincerely hope it's not the only path for her and she can remain an outsider. If I have my way, there won't be much of an Alliance left.

Besides, I think the similarities to Ash will be mostly superficial. We still need a suitable LI for Renegades and Ash is a straight arrow.

[MisterJB]

No Alliance. Not now, not ever. Please?

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118046770684116992

"I check threads for people I write. Need to see what the fans want from a returning character."

So if he's writting Miranda for ME3, which seems likely (not confirmed) then he has seen this thread

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 25 septembre 2011 - 09:44 .

[jtav]

Did MisterJB and I actually agree on something?

[MisterJB]

God help us all.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 septembre 2011 - 10:05 .

[jtav]

I wonder what conclusions he'd draw from this thread?

Halfway through my speedrun. To do Miranda;s LM or not to do Miranda's LM, that is the question.

[Sepewrath]

jtav wrote...

There's Hisold-Cord, New Dawn Pharmaceuticals, gobs of cash, space stations, weapons, and God knows what else lying around. You're suggesting they be trashed? I'd suggest the most Paragon outcome is the Alliance or Council getting their paws on the stuff.

What exactly is paragon about that? I don't know why people think the Alliance and Council are these great beacons of justice of understanding. The only difference between them and Cerberus, is the latter doesn't hide what they do.

[Xilizhra]

Sepewrath wrote...

jtav wrote...

There's Hisold-Cord, New Dawn Pharmaceuticals, gobs of cash, space stations, weapons, and God knows what else lying around. You're suggesting they be trashed? I'd suggest the most Paragon outcome is the Alliance or Council getting their paws on the stuff.

What exactly is paragon about that? I don't know why people think the Alliance and Council are these great beacons of justice of understanding. The only difference between them and Cerberus, is the latter doesn't hide what they do.

I don't think either one has ever done anything like Teltin.

[jtav]

Being pro-Alliance/pro-Council is one of the fastest ways to Paragon points. Therefore, allowing them to absorb Cerberus resources is a Paragon act.

[Sepewrath]

Xilizhra wrote...
I don't think either one has ever done anything like Teltin.

No the Council just sanctioned a genocide and them slapped the genophage on the ones that saved them and are willing to just sit back and let them die off too. The Alliance allowed Baat, not caring what was going on there as long as there were results, until it went to far. But yeah they didn't have a Teltin.

[Xilizhra]

Sepewrath wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I don't think either one has ever done anything like Teltin.

No the Council just sanctioned a genocide and them slapped the genophage on the ones that saved them and are willing to just sit back and let them die off too. The Alliance allowed Baat, not caring what was going on there as long as there were results, until it went to far. But yeah they didn't have a Teltin.

The krogan were acting independently when they wiped out the rachni, the genophage was the only way to defeat the krogan without wiping them out in turn and the only reason the krogan are going extinct anyway is their own actions, and while BAaT was bad, it wasn't nearly as bad.

[Vertigo_1]

Was chatting with Weekes and he sent me this by mistake, thought I'd post it here:

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118088396236267520
"Not everyone can rejoin, from both story logic and game development perspective. But hope we've done justice to characters."

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
I don't think either one has ever done anything like Teltin.

The actions at Teltin were not sanctioned by Cerberus.

Xilizhra wrote...
The krogan were acting independently when they wiped out the rachni,

The Council could have stepped in and stopped the Krogan.

the genophage was the only way to defeat the krogan without wiping them out in turn and the only reason the krogan are going extinct anyway is their own actions,

The Salarian uplifted the Krogan before time without thinking about the consequences of giving cave men nuclear weapons. When the Krogan proved to be troublesome, they neutered them and didn't seek to correct the violent tendencies of the species, instead leaving them to a slow extinction.
Also, there was that time the council threatened to bomb the new Quarian homeworld unless they vacated the planet in favor of the Elcor.
Or that time where the Council didn't care that human colonies were dissapearing.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 septembre 2011 - 10:50 .

[Tommy6860]

Xilizhra wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I don't think either one has ever done anything like Teltin.

No the Council just sanctioned a genocide and them slapped the genophage on the ones that saved them and are willing to just sit back and let them die off too. The Alliance allowed Baat, not caring what was going on there as long as there were results, until it went to far. But yeah they didn't have a Teltin.

The krogan were acting independently when they wiped out the rachni, the genophage was the only way to defeat the krogan without wiping them out in turn and the only reason the krogan are going extinct anyway is their own actions, and while BAaT was bad, it wasn't nearly as bad.

Not true, they were not acting independently, they were assisted by the Salarians (at the time), since the Salarians were members of the Council at that time.

Read this Krogan entry and scroll dow to the "Rise of the Krogan" section.

Or simply read about the Rachni Wars

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Was chatting with Weekes and he sent me this by mistake, thought I'd post it here:

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118088396236267520
"Not everyone can rejoin, from both story logic and game development perspective. But hope we've done justice to characters."

*panics* ....