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[jtav]

*prays this will stay civil*

Ash has armor of her own, a feminized version of Kaidan's. Looking at Kaidan's it wouldn't surprise me if they used Miranda's AA as a base. It also lends credibility to the idea Miranda will be armored, probably about as heavily as Liara.

[jtav]

Continuing my speedrun game. I had every intention of not doing her LM. Too personal, solve your own problems, etc. But, well, biggest sucker in the universe, right here folks.

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118046770684116992

"I check threads for people I write. Need to see what the fans want from a returning character."

So if he's writting Miranda for ME3, which seems likely (not confirmed) then he has seen this thread

I just hope he knows that the thread is not representative of the whole fan base. And many fans have a different opinion about the character and doesn't have the same expectations.

Modifié par Yannkee, 26 septembre 2011 - 03:41 .

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Was chatting with Weekes and he sent me this by mistake, thought I'd post it here:

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118088396236267520
"Not everyone can rejoin, from both story logic and game development perspective. But hope we've done justice to characters."

Miranda not returning in the squad for a long period : it's not doing justice to the character, imo.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Was chatting with Weekes and he sent me this by mistake, thought I'd post it here:

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118088396236267520
"Not everyone can rejoin, from both story logic and game development perspective. But hope we've done justice to characters."

Miranda not returning in the squad for a long period : it's not doing justice to the character, imo.

This!

[Skullheart]

Everyone wants their favorite character back in the squad. Too bad that we dont have info about the mayority of ME2 characters. (does anyone has the "If Miranda isn't squadmate in ME3, the earth and the whole galaxy can go to hell" pic?)

[ISpeakTheTruth]

From a story logic stand point her being in the game for a large amount would make sense because of her Cerberus history/connections and with Cerberus being a main villian in the game... LOGIC!

[100k]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

Though nothing can excuse what happened to Toombs.

Why Toombs and not Grayson? We don't even know the nature and purpose of the experiments done on Toombs.

*struggles to stop looking at your avatar*

[pancholonita]

Skullheart wrote...

Everyone wants their favorite character back in the squad. Too bad that we dont have info about the mayority of ME2 characters. (does anyone has the "If Miranda isn't squadmate in ME3, the earth and the whole galaxy can go to hell" pic?)

would be good to have that image 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

100k wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

Though nothing can excuse what happened to Toombs.

Why Toombs and not Grayson? We don't even know the nature and purpose of the experiments done on Toombs.

*struggles to stop looking at your avatar*

I know right:wub:?

[Caihn]

Skullheart wrote...

Everyone wants their favorite character back in the squad. Too bad that we dont have info about the mayority of ME2 characters. (does anyone has the "If Miranda isn't squadmate in ME3, the earth and the whole galaxy can go to hell" pic?)

Yeah it's mine.

Modifié par Yannkee, 26 septembre 2011 - 04:05 .

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

*prays this will stay civil*

Ash has armor of her own, a feminized version of Kaidan's. Looking at Kaidan's it wouldn't surprise me if they used Miranda's AA as a base. It also lends credibility to the idea Miranda will be armored, probably about as heavily as Liara.

Either they use Miranda's armor from the AA pack as a base, or they develop a new set of armor. A Miranda who stayed with Cerberus at the end of ME2 could have a feminized version of the Cerberus Trooper armor, while a Miranda who resigned could have armor that mirrors what the Alliance uses.

The incredible bullet-resistant catsuit might work for shipboard attire but considering that outside of the Normandy there's a full-scale galactic war going on having armor is probably a good idea.

[pancholonita]

Beautiful images and excellent text

[Caihn]

I don't want this ****ty AA armor for Miranda.
I want my badass operative back, not a front line soldier.

If they can't do a light armor that fits her, then they should let her wear her catsuit.

Modifié par Yannkee, 26 septembre 2011 - 04:31 .

[Vertigo_1]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Either they use Miranda's armor from the AA pack as a base, or they develop a new set of armor. A Miranda who stayed with Cerberus at the end of ME2 could have a feminized version of the Cerberus Trooper armor, while a Miranda who resigned could have armor that mirrors what the Alliance uses.

I'd like this a lot, the armor so far looks good...a more unique version that sarisfies both audiences (catsuit vs armor) similar to asari commandos would be great IMO.  Also no helmet...or have the helmet on when you first meet her just so that the player has no idea who it is until she takes it off...after that she only uses it for no-vacuum areas.

To your other points:

I don't think they would do something like that based on a choice made in ME2, seems more likely a reskin of the armor based on status of the base at the end of ME2...but even then I don't know if I can see that happening.

I'm thinking she resigns no matter what after ME2 and we see that in ME3...would they bother going through that much for a decision you only see when you bring her to the last boss in ME2? I don't think they will.  Instead I feel that the period between ME2-ME3 is good enough to say something like she eventually resigned OR she stayed.

The dialogue would shift slightly based on your decision to keep or destroy the base, but the main decision (which in this example would be her resigning, which the writers can put in happened during the ME2-ME3 period) would stay.  Remember she can resign even if unloyal.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 26 septembre 2011 - 05:01 .

[ParadoxAu]

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118046770684116992
"I check threads for people I write. Need to see what the fans want from a returning character."

So if he's writting Miranda for ME3, which seems likely (not confirmed) then he has seen this thread

I just hope he knows that the thread is not representative of the whole fan base. And many fans have a different opinion about the character and doesn't have the same expectations.

I feel the same way.

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Was chatting with Weekes and he sent me this by mistake, thought I'd post it here:
twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118088396236267520
"Not everyone can rejoin, from both story logic and game development perspective. But hope we've done justice to characters."

Miranda not returning in the squad for a long period : it's not doing justice to the character, imo.

I agree mate.

Modifié par ParadoxAu, 26 septembre 2011 - 06:09 .

[Ieldra]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
From a story logic stand point her being in the game for a large amount would make sense because of her Cerberus history/connections and with Cerberus being a main villian in the game... LOGIC!

Yes, that's the story logic perspective. If that was the only consideration, I'd not be worried at all. It's the game development perspective that might push Miranda out of the team: Are there too many humans? Will they put a new human female in for marketing's sake? Will the core squad consist of 6 or 8 characters? Is Yvonne Strahovski too expensive for a large role or has she only limited time in her schedule?

We can only wait and hope for the best. At least Miranda's got the best chances of all not-yet-confirmed ME2 characters from the story logic perspective.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
I just hope he knows that the thread is not representative of the whole fan base. And many fans have a different opinion about the character and doesn't have the same expectations.

You have no idea about the representative-ness of this thread. It's all anecdotal evidence. We may be spot on here. In fact, seeing comments in various forums, I suspect that a majority would agree with me on the Collector base issue at least.

BTW, the catsuit does not contribute in any way to Miranda's badassery. Just the opposite - it detracts considerably from it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 septembre 2011 - 07:16 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
Tbh, that facing up should have been her LM. It would have gone a long way toward assuaging my concerns about the CB.

It's an interesting thought, but I don't think I would want to lose her LM as is. That's another whole dimension of the character. There really should be ample time in ME3 to confront this. Just because she's fighting Cerberus/has resigned or whatever, that doesn't mean all the ghosts will have disappeared. Especially if she's surrounded by a lot of Alliance people who won't let her forget.

I also like her LM as it is, but I also agree with jtav that this "facing up" should have been featured more prominently in ME2. That's also a general observation: I think it was a mistake to make the LMs about personal issues of the characters with no connection to the main plot. It's one of several things that made ME2 feel fragmented.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
I love that side to her character, but building to the events of the CB should have been the priority.

There's a certain logic to that, but it really depends on how one interprets the CB decision. It remains to be seen how the writers themselves interpret it. If it's about a general sense that Cerberus is not to be trusted, then a different loyalty mission might have contributed to that. But if it's more about the nature of the base, Miranda's own goals and the tactical situation, then not so much.

The "betrayal" line has probably been debated and micro-analyzed as much as any line in the game. It's ambiguous and it's just one line. So I could see my opinion of the whole thing being defined largely by what happens next. It's a cliffhanger, basically.

The "just one line" argument only holds if it's something of an accident. But if this is the direction Miranda will be going in ME3 - sentimentality unduly influencing her professional decisions - then I will consider this character assassination of the first order.

My opinion about this line will not change. I'll always find it ridiculously out of character. If she'd recommend destroying the base, it would be for pragmatic reasons. But I'll make my peace with it as long as I can interpret it as Miranda being temporarily overwhelmed by the situation and it's not indicative of what's coming next for her.

[Ieldra]

General User wrote...
The thing about comparing the Council to Cerberus is that the Council is on the top of the galactic heap and seeking to maintain is position while Cerberus is representative of a faction desperately jockeying for advantage. One shouldn't expect their actions to neatly map.

That said, I think it's fairly obvious that the Council can be just as ruthless and brutal as Cerberus under the right circumstances.

I think that sums it up neatly.

Having said that, can we take the Cerberus discussion somewhere else? With the amount of space it's been taken up, it's starting to get OT.

[Cypher0020]

I support the awesome Miri!

I hope LI's get what they wish for, and for non LI people like me, a definite friendship continuation

If she is a squaddie... it'll be interesting having Miri and Kai together with my Shep

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I wonder what conclusions he'd draw from this thread?

I shudder to think...

On a more serious note, I think he would conclude that Miranda has a very divided fanbase. Principal areas of disagreement: moral outlook, fan servicey elements (including appearance), future relationship with Cerberus, Collector Base, significance and nature of Miranda's character arc in ME2.

Mordin-esque conclusion: So many opinions. Hard to please everyone. Not going to happen. Shouldn't try  

Very much this. The interesting thing is that the division in the fanbase has several aspects, but nonetheless there are primarily two groups. So for instance, if you prefer the armor over the catsuits, that appears to be somewhat predictive for your opinion on Miranda's moral outlook. Just as a tendency, exceptions like Jebel Krong notwithstanding. The main poles are:

(1) Personality traits: rational/professional vs. emotional/romantic. The former representing the opinion that Miranda's emotional side should be mostly restricted to the romance and her dealings with people she personally cares for, and that she should be detached, rational and professional everywhere else, the latter the opinion that she should generally be more emotional.

(2) Moral outlook: "Renegon" vs. "Paragade". The former representing the opinion that Miranda, regardless of whether she resigns from Cerberus or not, should retain most of her consequentialist (pragmatic) moral outlook, the latter the opinion that she should adopt the deontological stance indicative of the Paragon path more often.

(3) Miranda's appearance: Armor vs. Catsuits. The former representing the opinion that Miranda's catsuits are unrealistic or inappropriate in style, enough that it has a negative impact on how she is perceived and that she should have armor on combat missions by default in ME3, the latter the opinion that the catsuits are perfectly fine and should return unchanged in ME3. There are some attempts at a compromise both factions could live with.

(4) The "betrayal" line at the Collector base: It is OOC vs. It's not OOC. The former representing the opinion that given what we see Miranda say and do in the course of the game, "using anything from this base seems like a betrayal" is a line Miranda would never say, that she'd never think using the knowledge of the base as such is evil or something like that which the line appears to indicate, and in a more general sense, that she would not make a decision of such a strategic importance based on an emotion. Consequently, if she'd recommend to destroy the base at all, she'd do so based on more rational arguments. The other faction thinks the line is perfectly in-character and there are enough signs in the game that hint that Miranda might say that.

(5) Miranda's sex life: more experienced vs. less experienced. Almost everyone acknowledges that Miranda is somewhat experienced. However, the former faction thinks that she might have had "many" sexual (if not romantic) partners in the past and that this doesn't detract from her appeal in any way, while the other faction wants to reduce Miranda's experience to not much more than the minimum of the encounters we specifically read or hear about, basically Jacob and the encounter mentioned in the dossier. The former faction also likes the idea that Miranda has used her sex appeal in the past to get jobs done, the latter one tends to dislike it.

I hope I have  given a somewhat comprehensive summary of the fanbase split. Compromises have been attempted in the armor wars and point (5) could very well remain a matter of interpretation, but the lines in the other points are drawn and unlikely to move much.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 septembre 2011 - 09:10 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
In fact, seeing comments in various forums, I suspect that a majority would agree with me on the Collector base issue at least.

I sort of doubt it tbh (if we're talking about the player base as a whole, rather than more devoted fans). Same thing with Miranda's appearance.

That said, I think this thread, or at least the section of it I have participated in (the last 200+ pages or so) has done a pretty good job of covering all the various points of view.

But I would venture to guess that a higher percentage of people posting here want Miranda to be highly pragmatic and heavily armored than out there in the wide world of the average player. Especially the heavily armored part.

Yannkee wrote...

Yeah it's mine.

It's awesome. So true

Modifié par flemm, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:15 .

[Spanky Magoo]

Yannkee wrote...

I don't want this ****ty AA armor for Miranda.
I want my badass operative back, not a front line soldier.

If they can't do a light armor that fits her, then they should let her wear her catsuit.

agreed.