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[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Objectively speaking, how do you think Miranda will rank in terms of overall impact?

Among characters who might be dead, Miranda's absence could very well have more impact than anyone else's tbh. She probably won't be dead in a very high percentage of games, and she has some pretty major plot hooks. They'll all be covered somehow, of course, but it might reduce your options, especially re: Cerberus and Lazarus.

Legion and Tali might also be up there, but they are both tied into the same basic crisis. Mordin maybe, due to the genophage. I don't see anyone else having the same level of impact. Plot hooks aren't there, and popularity doesn't really justify creating one out of nowhere in LotSB-style. Garrus has the popularity, but he is the sidekick, basically, so no major plot hook is really needed.

Edit: top of page 600.

Modifié par flemm, 27 septembre 2011 - 03:57 .

[Caihn]

Graceyn wrote...

So I was just idly speculating (in my head), and considered another option to Miranda being on the core squad - we could kill The Illusive Man and give Cerberus to Miranda, after which they would quit fighting us and start fighting on our side against the Reapers .  Then I made a manip for it:

Source

Nice manip.
But I never liked the Illusive woman scenario.

First, I think Miranda deserves to be in a better organization than Cerberus.
Then, to me She's not a bureaucrat, I don't like the idea of Miranda sitting behing a desk while she could be more useful as an operative on the field.
I'm not against the idea of Miranda leading a special force organization, but later.

Modifié par Yannkee, 27 septembre 2011 - 03:52 .

[Graceyn]

jtav wrote...

600? It's far older than that. But nobody's done a manip before. I love it.

Thank you!

[Ieldra]

Graceyn wrote...

flemm wrote...

Graceyn wrote...
 Then I made a manip for it:

Cool

And, yeah, it's a pretty popular idea around here, in one form or another.

Sorry for the repeat then - though I'm not arrogant enough to imagine I was the first person ever to think of it, lol .  600 pages is just toooo many, so I just drop in when I can.

No problem. It bears repeating, I like to envision Miranda on that space station. We'll conquer it together and make it our HQ in the Reaper war, after which she gets it for her new organization.

[Ieldra]

I come bringing fanfic.

Here's the next two parts of Elvern's post-Reapers fanfic Degrees of Inheritance (link to the new sections), featuring Miranda, Shepard, Kai Leng, Oriana, Jacob and Miranda's younger sister Cordelia, an OC.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 septembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Vertigo_1]

There's a survey going on here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/8389946...

*Looks above*

Ieldra2 wrote...

I come bringing fanfic.

Here's the next two parts of Elvern's post-Reapers fanfic Degrees of Inheritance (link to the new sections), featuring Miranda, Shepard, Kai Leng, Oriana, Jacob and Miranda's younger sister Cordelia, an OC.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 27 septembre 2011 - 04:46 .

[jtav]

Miranda's going to make it in my current game, at least if the calculator is right. Do you think her (or anyone else's) loyalty status will matter in ME3.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Miranda's going to make it in my current game, at least if the calculator is right. Do you think her (or anyone else's) loyalty status will matter in ME3.

My guess would be no. Loyalty has already had its impact in ME2, really, because of how it affects survival rates during the SM. There are so many variables, I would think the line would have to be drawn somewhere.

In a lot of cases, loyal/disloyal would be too close to alive/dead for it to be worth developing unique content for that. Yes, unloyal characters will sneak through in some imported games, but enough for content to be developed with that specifically in mind? I sort of doubt it, but you never know.

Modifié par flemm, 27 septembre 2011 - 05:33 .

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Miranda's going to make it in my current game, at least if the calculator is right. Do you think her (or anyone else's) loyalty status will matter in ME3.

I think it will change certain dialogue but that's it really, how far can the devs take ME2 loyalty when it was primarily used for the Suicide Mission?

[The Uncanny]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

I think it will change certain dialogue but that's it really, how far can the devs take ME2 loyalty when it was primarily used for the Suicide Mission?

Yeah, there are already plenty of variables to take into account. ME2 loyalty may perhaps lead to a variant line of dialogue or two but I'd largely expect to start from an assumed level of acquaintance based on survival.

[jtav]

Well I now have a dead Miranda, plus an unloyal one who survived. No to do Arrival and some side missions to bring myself to level 30. Then my Renegade and romance games.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Miranda's going to make it in my current game, at least if the calculator is right. Do you think her (or anyone else's) loyalty status will matter in ME3.

I find it unlikely. I can't see anything meaningful they could put in for her that would depend on her "loyalty".

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
That line where Miranda calls Shepard "the best that humanity has to offer" really made me wish that there was an option that didn't stroke Shepard's ego:

Yep. I'm fine with "I don't have what you have...that fire that makes others follow you into hell itself". That's just an acknowledgement of Shepard's inspiring leadership. But "You're the best humanity has to offer" is...sickening....

Miranda: I don't have what you have Shepard.

Shepard: And I don't have what you have either. You're brilliant, you can do anything that you put your mind to. You pioneered what is possibly the greatest medical advancement in history, organized this entire mission, and yet I'm the best that humanity has to offer? I'm just a soldier who ended up on the wrong side of a Prothean artifact, that's all.

Miranda: You're selling yourself short.

Shepard: So are you.

Miranda: (sighs) Are we just going to continue this back and forth until one of us gives in?

Shepard: (moves closer to Miranda)  You know me, I'm persistant.

Miranda: (smiles) Don't get cocky, I put you back together and I do damn good work.

Shepard: See, that's the spirit.

Miranda: (chuckles) You ass.

(the two kiss)

Oh....very nice. This would've been much better.

not really- both being self-deprecating might read ok but is unnatural and would sound trite spoken. one thing the game does well even with abbreviated interactions is dialogue flow, especially given the various conversation options.

[cyborg2501]

Here's my contribution to the 600th page... Photomanip of several different images and some facial tweaking on Yvonne's face. Body from Dark Stars photography's Miranda cosplay. Goal being to create a realistic looking human miranda.... :-)

 

Modifié par cyborg2501, 27 septembre 2011 - 06:17 .

[MisterJB]

Does anyone else thinks that looks like Natalia Tena? No, just me?

As for the Loyalty, I'm guessing it will be similar to Tali in Freedom's Progress. She acts differently depending on wether or not you gave her the Geth data in ME1 but the end results are the same.

[raziel1980]

Skullheart wrote...

Well, this tweet is from 2 days ago.

"The assumption of "rotating squadmembers" (no choice) is inaccurate."

What you think?

If that means we can decide who is our core squad of 10 or so members then HELL YEAH...but I've always been under the impression that if given the choice it would eb something like...Miranda or Jacob( since they were both Cerberus)... and so on n so forth...I just wish the VS, tali n garrus were involved in this as well...but because of the popuarity fo those characters from ME 1 that won't be the case.

[Ieldra]

raziel1980 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Well, this tweet is from 2 days ago.

"The assumption of "rotating squadmembers" (no choice) is inaccurate."

What you think?

If that means we can decide who is our core squad of 10 or so members then HELL YEAH...but I've always been under the impression that if given the choice it would eb something like...Miranda or Jacob( since they were both Cerberus)... and so on n so forth...I just wish the VS, tali n garrus were involved in this as well...but because of the popuarity fo those characters from ME 1 that won't be the case.

Yeah...I'd rotate Garrus or Tali out for Miranda without a moment's hesitation. Kaidan, Ashley or Liara would be more painful, but I'd still do it.

Heh...one day my resentment for Garrus and Tali for their preferential treatment in being the only team members in all three games will get the better of me and I'll become completely uncorked. *fumes* Now, where's the "explodes in a conflagration of righteous anger" smily when you need it. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:26 .

[Vertigo_1]

Not just popularity but the ones who are guaranteed to be alive in ME3 are easier to work with (Liara & VS), since they were planned from before to stay alive (VS for example having a minor cameo appearance in ME2 & not joining your team).

[jtav]

Well, I can't rotate Garrus out any more. I actually like or think I'll like all announced characters. Now if it's Miranda vs. Grunt, that's easy.

[Barquiel]

Well, they announced my favorite and my four least favorite squadmates so far. I really hope we get some ME2 characters as "core" squaddies too...

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Not just popularity but the ones who are guaranteed to be alive in ME3 are easier to work with (Liara & VS), since they were planned from before to stay alive (VS for example having a minor cameo appearance in ME2 & not joining your team).

No doubt, but it is what it is, and it really shouldn't prevent Miranda from having a very significant role in ME3. She doesn't need to be the lead NPC in two out of three games for me to be satisfied.

I'm not that greedy

Miranda being recruitable, but optional (which I think is fairly likely) might have the potential downside of making the writing for the character more disjointed and less focused (due to her role being at least somewhat interchangeable with other squad members post-recruitment). Also it might lessen her role in the greater schemes of things. Advantages would be more screentime overall, customizable appearance, new combat abilities, available as a romance option, possible s/s LI, squad banter, interaction with other characters on the Normandy. So, a lot of things that will not happen otherwise. 

Miranda not being on the squad, but having several significant appearances would mean sacrificing a lot of screentime and other enjoyable things for (perhaps) the advantage of more focused writing and a bigger influence on the war as a whole.

I think my ideal scenario would be a combination of the two: she can join the squad early, after you deal with whatever trouble she is in, she stays for however long is required to deal with Cerberus (potentially a very big chunk of the game), at which point she can become a faction leader depending on player choice, meaning she would return with support for the final battle.

A guy can dream

Modifié par flemm, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:59 .

[diamondedge]

I can save Miranda if and only if I deliberately throw the Tali-Legion confrontation and get Tali killed instead.

That would be wonderful.

For a game with such big emotional investent I sometimes wish it had more balls and survival of individuals would depend on more than their loyalty mission. Not going to happen, but I think we need not to fear for Mirana - she is arguably one of the most popular characters out there. As much as I'd love to be put in a situation for example where it's either Miranda or Garrus, I doub it's going to happen. Mass Effect just isn't bald enough when it comes to these things.

Modifié par diamondedge, 27 septembre 2011 - 08:01 .

[Vertigo_1]

Well I've been spinning the X vs Miranda confrontation scenario ever since Casey mentioned during SDCC that disagreements between squadmates can end up in us having to kill one over the other...

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well I've been spinning the X vs Miranda confrontation scenario ever since Casey mentioned during SDCC that disagreements between squadmates can end up in us having to kill one over the other...

Miranda vs. Aria is starting to seem pretty plausible to me, the way things are shaping up. Could be pretty cool tbh

Modifié par flemm, 27 septembre 2011 - 08:07 .

[Eyeshield21]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Going back to the whole Pragmatic vs. Emotional/Romantic debate, can't Miranda demonstrate both characteristics? Granted I see her dominant personality trait being cool and business-like, but when it comes to people like Oriana she can be a little more emotional, this also applies to the romance depending on how you play it.

I'm curious as to how a romanced Miranda would react to Shepard going on trial.

Shepard: Miranda, this trial is the only way for me to get back into the Alliance.

Miranda: Says Admiral Hackett. What do you suppose will happen when they put you in front of that tribunal? Reapers or not you destroyed a star system, and judging from your relationship with the Council you won't have your Spectre status to hide behind.

Shepard: I'll just have to explain-

Miranda: Explain? Explain what? That you destroyed the relay to slow down a race of machines that next to no one with any political standing believes in?

Shepard: This isn't just about the trial is it?

Miranda: They're going to charge you with treason Shepard. You know what will happen. Two years and four billion credits and you go an consign yourself to death.

Shepard: (wraps arms around Miranda) I love you.

Miranda: I know. But that doesn't change what's going to happen.

Shepard: There's still hope, I promised that I wouldn't die on you and I don't intend to find out what happens if I break it.

Miranda: (laughs half-heartedly) I suppose with your luck a Reaper would land outside of the courtroom right before they sentence you.

Shepard: Wouldn't that be something?

and amazingly this happens. lol.