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[shepskisaac]

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Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:16 .

[jtav]

Hate to break it to you t3HPrO, but both Hale and Meer use the same script. MaleShep even talks about being a woman to Harkin. I'd bet money it was never seriously considered. She'd be a very simple option going forward, but it's only with DA2 that the leads have been made available to both genders.

[shepskisaac]

jtav wrote...

Hate to break it to you t3HPrO, but both Hale and Meer use the same script. MaleShep even talks about being a woman to Harkin.

Correct, Shep voice actors record the entire script, every single line even if directly for the opposite gender (like ManShep's hysterical "but we're both women" line to Liara xD). That still doesn't mean Miranda was not planned as a bi option.

jtav wrote...

She'd be a very simple option going forward, but it's only with DA2 that the leads have been made available to both genders.

And Jade Empire. And Liara of course.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:19 .

[jtav]

Liara wasn't a lead in ME1. Ash and Kaidan were. Alistair and Morrigan. Bastila and Carth.You're right that JE is an outlier. But I still think Jack is much more likely to have been the original plan based on past experience. Bi characters tend to mention past same-sex experience. Ironically, Miranda is probably the easiest female to retcon because she doesn't even come on to mShep without prompting.

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Daveros wrote...
Miranda is my favourite. She needs to be a permanent squad member is ME3 or... or... well, I really will be very upset.

Since it's likely that no one is strictly permanent, I'd like to phrase it like this: Miranda needs to be a main character with a significant and continuous screen presence, instead of an adjunct who can be removed without repercussions. If she's dead, either by being dead in imported games or by players' choices in ME3, that should close off certain paths in the Cerberus plotline. 

Closing off certain paths like what, for preference?

Here's one that comes to mind: if MIranda is dead, you have no option to let her take over and use Cerberus resources against the Reapers. That might make the final battle more difficult.

Similar closing-offs could be found for a few other squadmates like Tali and Legion, but with Miranda it's sort of obvious.

[jtav]

Another possibility is making whatever happens with the implants is that much easier to resolve.

[shepskisaac]

jtav wrote...

Liara wasn't a lead in ME1. Ash and Kaidan were. Alistair and Morrigan. Bastila and Carth.You're right that JE is an outlier. But I still think Jack is much more likely to have been the original plan based on past experience. Bi characters tend to mention past same-sex experience.

Not in case of Sky. And most likely not in case of Kaidan & Vega who will be leads in ME3 and most likely both available for ManShep.

jtav wrote...
Ironically, Miranda is probably the easiest female to retcon because she doesn't even come on to mShep without prompting.

To retcon anything there would have to be somtehing mentioned by her or other characters about her that would make it clear she doesn't like women. And then it would have to be completly ignored, pretending it actually was never mentioned. Then it would be a retcon. Sorry, but BSN made me very irritated with this word.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's one that comes to mind: if MIranda is dead, you have no option to let her take over and use Cerberus resources against the Reapers. That might make the final battle more difficult.

Perhaps not even more difficult per se, but fewer/different tactical options. My guess for ME3's equivalent to the SM mission would be a series of command decisions where you are supported by the faction of your choice, with various factions being better for certain segments of the final battle, like fire team leaders and specialists.

There would likely be more factions available than required for completing the game. Some might be either/or.

Miranda's revamped Cerberus could be one of those factions. And Miranda's death might mean you just don't have that option.

The quarian/geth thing is another good example of how this might work. If Tali dies, you can't recruit the quarians. If Legion dies, you can't recruit the Geth. If both live, you have the option of recruiting one or the other, both, or neither, depending on player choice.

Certain factions would likely be guaranteed, such as the remains of the Alliance military under Anderson's command. So there would be a minimum number available. The Krogan and the Rachni seem likely to be available in some scenarios. Salarian STG, maybe. Etc.

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:54 .

[Xilizhra]

Actually, another way I could make use of Cerberus is to keep the organization's resources, but completely divorce it from the human dominance agenda, which would make it a highly different group by default. My problem has always been what I see as essentially giving Cerberus a new paint job and letting them run loose again.

[flemm]

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, another way I could make use of Cerberus is to keep the organization's resources, but completely divorce it from the human dominance agenda, which would make it a highly different group by default. My problem has always been what I see as essentially giving Cerberus a new paint job and letting them run loose again.

That type of question would really be decided after the war, though, in a sort of epilogue. Initially, it would just be a question of using the organisation's remaining resources and non-indoctrinated personnel against the Reapers.

As we saw in ME2, a lot of the people in Cerberus are there for good reasons. Many are ex-Alliance. They would just need someone to rally them, and Miranda would be the logical choice.

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:58 .

[Xilizhra]

flemm wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, another way I could make use of Cerberus is to keep the organization's resources, but completely divorce it from the human dominance agenda, which would make it a highly different group by default. My problem has always been what I see as essentially giving Cerberus a new paint job and letting them run loose again.

That type of question would really be decided after the war, though, in a sort of epilogue. Initially, it would just be a question of using the organisation's remaining resources and non-indoctrinated personnel against the Reapers.

As we saw in ME2, a lot of the people in Cerberus are there for good reasons. Many are ex-Alliance. They would just need someone to rally them, and Miranda would be the logical choice.

I don't know; I get the feeling that the Lazarus Cell brought together everyone, or most of everyone, who was in Cerberus for a benign reason. They'll be fine, but I don't anticipate much help from the rest of anyone Cerberus.

[flemm]

Xilizhra wrote...
I don't know; I get the feeling that the Lazarus Cell brought together everyone, or most of everyone, who was in Cerberus for a benign reason. They'll be fine, but I don't anticipate much help from the rest of anyone Cerberus.

I don't see any reason to conclude that this is so, really. The ex-Alliance thing applies to Cerberus as a whole, in any event (dialogue with Miranda). It really just depends on where the writers want to go with the story. It seems like Cerberus is going to suddenly have massive numbers of troops, so maybe cloning or something? But anyway, plenty of leeway to do something else with the regular members of the organisation, who sure won't be pleased that TIM has sold out to the Reapers (or whatever it is).

A Mac Walters tweet also suggested that we will learn more about Cerberus' connection to the Alliance in ME3...

Hmmmmm...

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 02:22 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

jtav wrote...

Liara wasn't a lead in ME1. Ash and Kaidan were. Alistair and Morrigan. Bastila and Carth.You're right that JE is an outlier.

Nah, Liara was most definitely the lead companion in ME1, as she was more vital to the overal plot.

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't know; I get the feeling that the Lazarus Cell brought together everyone, or most of everyone, who was in Cerberus for a benign reason. They'll be fine, but I don't anticipate much help from the rest of anyone Cerberus.

There were plenty of good people in the other cells as well, such as the Overlord and Firewalker ones.

[Hillbillyshep]

Yay! 604 pages! Casey should reward us with a pic of Miri already!

[Skullheart]

Hillbillyshep wrote...

Yay! 604 pages! Casey should reward us with a pic of Miri already!

we need to reach the 1,000.

[Ieldra]

Careful people. Threads have been shut down for such things. We're here to discuss Miranda, not to spam one-liners to fill up the available space as fast as possible.

BTW, does anyone know who you must take with you to the Purgatory to get Miranda to make a comment about that beating-up of a prisoner?

[jtav]

I think you actually have to edit your save so she's the only one in your party.

Speaking of editing saves, all in favor of bringing Miranda along for Arrival?

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Careful people. Threads have been shut down for such things. We're here to discuss Miranda, not to spam one-liners to fill up the available space as fast as possible.

True. We should be careful not to endanger the thread. (Nothing that could be construed as spam for the moment, though.)

Ieldra2 wrote...
BTW, does anyone know who you must take with you to the Purgatory to get Miranda to make a comment about that beating-up of a prisoner?

As jtav points out, others have noted that Miranda only says the line if alone in the party, for whatever reason. Lowest priority in this particular case. (I have never personally confirmed this.) I suppose that must be true of a certain squad member in each instance of this type.

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 05:41 .

[Skullheart]

jtav wrote...

I think you actually have to edit your save so she's the only one in your party.

Speaking of editing saves, all in favor of bringing Miranda along for Arrival?

There could be a plot hole. After the Argos Rho artifact fight they capture Shepard because the reaper are interested in his/her body, so they keep Shepard alive. They don't have any reason to keep Miranda alive.

Modifié par Skullheart, 28 septembre 2011 - 05:46 .

[jtav]

I know that. I'm just modding the game. Anyone want screenshots?

[flemm]

Yep. Rarely would I say no to a good screenshot.

[Skullheart]

Well, if you can get one of Shepard and Miranda in the arghos rho room, or when shep talk to harbinger it could be good.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...
Speaking of editing saves, all in favor of bringing Miranda along for Arrival?

*raises hand*

[Ieldra]

[quote]jtav wrote...
Speaking of editing saves, all in favor of bringing Miranda along for Arrival?[/quote]
[/quote]
Yep!

How do you modify the game to make that possible?

[Vertigo_1]

Skullheart wrote...

Well, if you can get one of Shepard and Miranda in the arghos rho room, or when shep talk to harbinger it could be good.

What...like this?



or this?