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[enayasoul]

I cringe when Miranda says, "Perhaps, I wouldn't mind if you admired my body." Not sure why but it makes me cringe.

Modifié par enayasoul, 28 septembre 2011 - 09:57 .

[jtav]

Well, you asked:

The crew has just been kidnapped. There's nothing for Miranda to clear except Tali. You know, the girl who has a very obvious crush that people notice almost immediately. And you can't help but notice how off it feels. The engine core was where the kidnap sequence ended. The captain's quarters would have been better because I'm not having it shoved in my face. And it's where the other romances take place.

[enayasoul]

Well, I loved the tummy hug from behind. Miranda seems like she was smiling at that.

[Collider]

enayasoul wrote...

I cringe when Miranda says, "Perhaps, I wouldn't mind if you admired my body." Not sure why but it makes me cringe.

If it had been "if you admired my mind," that would have been a nice line. Rather, in saying this Miranda redirects from Shepard appreciating her mind to something purely physical. When coupled with the parts of the romance, it makes the romance look like something almost purely sexual. It may be said that such a redirection is in character for Miranda though - admiration of mind may be more uncomfortable than the more primal and emotionally disconnected lust of a body.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
 And it's where the other romances take place.

Why is that preferable? I think I prefer that Miranda makes a different arrangement. Her own quarters would be the other logical choice, but not as evocative.

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 10:01 .

[jtav]

C, permission to tell you how I'm RP-ing it?

[Collider]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
 And it's where the other romances take place.

Why is that preferable? I think I prefer that Miranda makes a different arrangement. Her own quarters would be the other logical choice, but not as evocative.

The engine room doesn't evoke anything.

[CuseGirl]

jtav wrote...

Well, you asked:

The crew has just been kidnapped. There's nothing for Miranda to clear except Tali. You know, the girl who has a very obvious crush that people notice almost immediately. And you can't help but notice how off it feels. The engine core was where the kidnap sequence ended. The captain's quarters would have been better because I'm not having it shoved in my face. And it's where the other romances take place.

First, it's not even a guarantee that Tali is there (because u can recruit her after the SM). And the whole "it's so obvious Tali has a crush on Shepard" thing is subjective as well. I never felt like Tali was into Shep until I went far into the dialogue tree with her. All I got was she trusted him with her life and respects his command. But that's how I see the story.

Miranda doesn't seem like the type of character who was gonna go all soft on Shep, like Jack did. She wants something, she goes out and gets it. And yes, she's a bit kinky, but I think her outfit gives that away from jump.

[flemm]

Collider wrote...

 Her own quarters would be the other logical choice, but not as evocative.

Err, yes, it does. As the many debates about why the scene takes place there tend to show.

[enayasoul]

To me it seems likes it's always been on Miranda's terms? Like she wants time to think about it. She's ready when she says she's ready. I love when she stumbles over her words. It's cute!

[Nashiktal]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I do think "rapist" is hyperbolic.

Also, I should probably add that I understand the term was likely being used that way (as hyperbole). Still, it seems like an overstatement, even for illustrative purposes. It doesn't really bother me that Shepard is more forward initially, though I like that Miranda is more in control once she makes up her mind.

It was hyperbolic. What I mean is at some points, it makes it seem like all shep wants is sex. You know you want this, its only fair I see you naked, etc.

The lines themselves are harmless, but with the uncanny vally facial expressions, and the tone Meer uses for the romance dialogue shep becomes a real creeper. I usually like meers acting, but in this case... Just wow. In the other romances meer's acting is corny, but not creepy.

[jtav]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
 And it's where the other romances take place.

Why is that preferable? I think I prefer that Miranda makes a different arrangement. Her own quarters would be the other logical choice, but not as evocative.

Cuse asked why I'd want to do it there. My point is that's it's suitable for the other romances, so it clearly wasn't considered inadequate.

[Nashiktal]

flemm wrote...

Collider wrote...

 Her own quarters would be the other logical choice, but not as evocative.

Err, yes, it does. As the many debates about why the scene takes place there tend to show.

I always assumed it was to torture jacob. Make him do the forever alone face.

[Collider]

@Flemm: What exactly does the engine room evoke in terms of emotion?

There's some talk about the engine room being possibly more private, but that sounds very speculative considering there's no hint or mention by either Shepard or Miranda.

[Nashiktal]

CuseGirl wrote...

jtav wrote...

I have a problem with one instance of forwardness in "Come on Miranda, you want this." But it's minor. My major problems are inappropriate tone of the engine room scene and the fact that it makes both of them look bad, all the vulnerability being from Miranda, and general cheese.

i hate that line, i cringe everytime......wuts wrong with the engine room bit tho? where else r u gonna do it? in those rooms with all of Miranda's surveillance bugs? And her Shadow Broker dossier showed she was kinda forward anyway.

There are multiple windows that peer into the engine room. One of them is in the living quarters, another is in the armory where jacob always is, and another from life support where thane is.... It is VERY public and makes it seem dickish. Not to mention they are having sex in a very sensitive area of the ship.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 28 septembre 2011 - 10:08 .

[enayasoul]

Mordin mentions using mass effect fields? Maybe it made it more "WOW" for her? heh.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

enayasoul wrote...

Mordin mentions using mass effect fields? Maybe it made it more "WOW" for her? heh.

O.O........

[flemm]

Collider wrote...

@Flemm: What exactly does the engine room evoke in terms of emotion?
 

I didn't say anything about emotion, specifically. But the sequence in the engine room is ambiguous and open to interpretation in ways that the other settings are not. That's why you see so many different interpretations and conversations on the subject. Ergo, it is more evocative/provocative/whatever than the other settings. Probably it was chosen for that reason alone, as that is part of the basic concept for Miranda's character.

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 10:10 .

[Nashiktal]

flemm wrote...

Collider wrote...

@Flemm: What exactly does the engine room evoke in terms of emotion?
 

I didn't say anything about emotion, specifically. But the sequence in the engine room is ambiguous and open to interpretation in ways that the other settings are not. That's why you see so many different interpretations and conversations on the subject. Ergo, it is more evocative/provocative/whatever than the other settings. Probably it was chosen for that reason alone, as that it part of the basic concept for Miranda's character.

That she is an exhibitionist?

[jtav]

Kelly notices. And considering people die if Tali isn't recruited, I'd say it's something the devs should have foreseen.

I RP it as strictly physical. Shepard will die. No question. So there's no point in asking for more. There's a great deal of regard there, but never spoken of.

[naledgeborn]

Collider wrote...

There's some talk about the engine room being possibly more private, but that sounds very speculative considering there's no hint or mention by either Shepard or Miranda.

Though the reasons aren't highlighted by Shep/Miri you can use Tali's first conversation as evidence that the engine room is "bug-free". It's sort of implied and left open to interpretation. 

Miranda could very well be an exhibitionist and chose the engine room because of the drive core's vibrations. I doubt it though. Simply because that's Gabby's/Ken's duty station (who were kidnapped by Collectors). It think that choosing the engine room would have to merit more than her wanting to attract attention to her alpha-femininity.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 28 septembre 2011 - 10:14 .

[Collider]

flemm wrote...

Collider wrote...

@Flemm: What exactly does the engine room evoke in terms of emotion?
 

I didn't say anything about emotion, specifically. But the sequence in the engine room is ambiguous and open to interpretation in ways that the other settings are not. That's why you see so many different interpretations and conversations on the subject. Ergo, it is more evocative/provocative/whatever than the other settings. Probably it was chosen for that reason alone, as that it part of the basic concept for Miranda's character.

It seemed more like they wanted a more wild sex scene, and the open spaces of the engine room allowed that. They did advertise the sex scene after all - and clearly for the sexual aspect, rather than something thought provoking. I suppose one would need to speak to a developer for the true answer, though.

[jtav]

And you can't see that part of the engine room. So what if she was an exhibitionist though?

[flemm]

Nashiktal wrote...
That she is an exhibitionist?

That she is sexually provocative. But exhibitionist in a sense, I suppose. At least more than happy to flaunt it. Look at her outfit.

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 10:12 .

[Collider]

@Jtav: Yes, of course.