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[Eyeshield21]

[Skullheart]

Well, about her decision of using the engine room:

a) A neutral zone. Not in her office neither in his cabin.
A message to the rest of the crew. "Shepard is mine. Don't dare to touch him":
c) A place free of bugs (Tali takes Shepard there to speak against Cerberus, or it could be to stay away from Ken and Gabby), so TIM won't know how far is their relationship. I believe he already know that both of them are in a relation, Miranda's office should be full of bugs (unless he trust enough in her or she cleared her room of any bugs).

Modifié par Skullheart, 28 septembre 2011 - 10:15 .

[Nashiktal]

jtav wrote...

And you can't see that part of the engine room. So what if she was an exhibitionist though?

Well if you were on a submarine for long periods of time, and your captain brought a woman with him... Would you want him to have sex in a public area for all to see? Its a tad rude, and not exactly professional.

[Collider]

flemm wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...
That she is an exhibitionist?

That
she is sexually provocative. But exhibitionist in a sense, I suppose.
At least more than happy to flaunt it. Look at her outfit.

That might be it. That it's out in the open may be exciting for her.

jtav wrote...

And you can't see that part of the engine room. So what if she was an exhibitionist though?

Nothing, although that and other lines can point to a desire to show Shepard as being hers - aka - alpha female. I honestly don't have a problem with that either necessarily, but the romance scene as it is still seems to be fairly pointless to the romance. This should have been the time for more emotion, rather than fetishist sex.
The saving grace is that Shepard can reject Miranda at the romance scene and continue the romance. Miranda may even respect him more for that.

[jtav]

Oh, agreed. You only have ten minutes for romance and two were a dialogue free sex scene? The rejection is better and actually more erotic.

[flemm]

The alpha female thing is potentially another pretty accurate way of looking at it, I think.

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 10:19 .

[Collider]

jtav wrote...

Oh, agreed. You only have ten minutes for romance and two were a dialogue free sex scene? The rejection is better and actually more erotic.

Yes, there's more tension there.

The alpha female thing is pretty accurate, I think.

I have to wonder whether this is more accepted by people considering that it's a woman (Miranda) doing it and not a man.

If it were a man, I imagine there would be many people calling Shepard (or male love interest) an insecure pig who thinks his partner is a trophy.

Not that I would believe so, because I wouldn't (not necessarily, anyway) - but it's interesting to see how people's views differ by the fact that x character is male or female.

[flemm]

Collider wrote...
I have to wonder whether this is more accepted by people considering that it's a woman (Miranda) doing it and not a man.

If it were a man, I imagine there would be many people calling Shepard (or male love interest) an insecure pig who thinks his partner is a trophy.

Well, you see both, really. People complaining Shepard's a slimeball/pig/rapist (hyperbolically) in some of the earlier scenes, and people complaining Miranda is a cruel biatch, exhibitionist, nympho, etc. for setting up sex in the engine room.

We've seen both just in the last page or so of this thread.

*shrug*

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 10:32 .

[jtav]

I don't think it's more acceptable. I just choose not to see it that way to keep from spacing her. Her romance conflict dialogue isn't flattering.

[Eyeshield21]

PICTURE TIME!(not really, I found this one in DeviantArt.com. Enjoy!

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

:wub:

[naledgeborn]

^ Luis man is that hard to snip a pic that's already on this page?

[CuseGirl]

Collider wrote...
If it were a man, I imagine there would be many people calling Shepard (or male love interest) an insecure pig who thinks his partner is a trophy.

Not that I would believe so, because I wouldn't (not necessarily, anyway) - but it's interesting to see how people's views differ by the fact that x character is male or female.

I feel like location of a sexual act is basically subject to female approval. A dude can be like "i wanna do it" and the girl will say "ok sure, but not here", unless that girl is severly lacking power within the relationship (for example, like Ryan Reynolds and Kristen Stewart in Adventureland). No self-respecting girl approves of having sex in their boyfriend's MOM'S basement. 

[naledgeborn]

I don't know though. The engine room wouldn't grate on me as much if Gabby and Ken weren't kidnapped 10 minutes earlier. And I agree with jtav and Collider that declining the engine room is better, but I don't want to take any chances when it comes time to import.

[CuseGirl]

naledgeborn wrote...

I don't know though. The engine room wouldn't grate on me as much if Gabby and Ken weren't kidnapped 10 minutes earlier. And I agree with jtav and Collider that declining the engine room is better, but I don't want to take any chances when it comes time to import.

who said only 10 minutes had passed? remember, we only see the conversations we start but imagine if this was "real", for all we kno Miranda and Shep have joked about doing it in the engine before. and now they have an opportunity, and we MIGHT just die, so lets just do it.....

[jtav]

It's more like somewhere between fifteen minutes and two hours. I RP it as a long-held sexual fantasy, but I shouldn't have to headcanon that much.

[flemm]

Eh, doesn't matter where any of the characters do it. They're still having sex on the ship a few hours after the abduction. And why not? They're going on a suicide mission. Might as well embrace it. The engine room isn't anyone's personal space.

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 11:01 .

[UserForFun]

Why the Engine Room..? The answer is rather obvious.

Shepard is a natural-born leader, and in-charge of the Normandy. He has complete dominance over the crew, each individual respecting him, and would follow him into '' hell itself '' as Miranda pointed out.

Miranda is also a leader, and many of Cerberus operatives respect her as a leader, yet due to her insecurities and many scenes, she is obviously over-shadowed by Shepard, which she acknowledges him as a superior being '' All your accomplishments are due to your skills. ''
By the '' end '' of the romance, Miranda dealt with her personal issues, and grows as a person. Thus she elected the Engine Room not because of exposing herself, or making Tali jealous ( I doubt Shepard would do it in front of her. She was most likely absent ) because it was a neutral ground, where neither had any hold. Nor Shepard nor Miranda had '' claimed '' that territory.

Thus, in my opinion; Miranda now sees herself acknowledged by Shepard, as an equal, and would like to maintain that balance. By choosing a neutral ground, no one knows the environment; Both are equal.

Think about it as a chess-game. If Miranda would choose her office, she would have an advantage, while Captain's quarters would offer Shepard an advantage. It seems silly, but it makes perfect sense.
Miranda until recently, struggled with her father's torment, her omnipotent concern of sister, only now she found a balance, an equilibrium, and consciously or unconsciously, desire to preserve it.

Hope it made sense.

[Vertigo_1]

Ah yes the home bed advantage!

I agree, this makes sense to me (the reasoning why they did in the engine room).

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 28 septembre 2011 - 11:22 .

[jtav]

I like that rationale. I'm not complaining at the characters, but the writers for choosing the space because of the decidedly unromantic associations it has.

[Eyeshield21]

naledgeborn wrote...

^ Luis man is that hard to snip a pic that's already on this page?

It's getting harder and harder to find new pics, the green Miranda pic I found was probably one of the new ones, but It'll take a while to find new ones.

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 28 septembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[MisterJB]

I just say that it was because it was the one place free of bugs and be done with it. No need to overthink it.
Though the "equality" argument also makes sense.

Nashiktal wrote...
 What I mean is at some points, it makes it seem like all shep wants is sex. You know you want this,

I seriously doubt that by "it" Shepard meant sex rather than the relationship as a whole.

Collider wrote...
If it had been "if you admired my mind," that would have been a nice line. Rather, in saying this Miranda redirects from Shepard appreciating her mind to something purely physical. When coupled with the parts of the romance, it makes the romance look like something almost purely sexual. It may be said that such a redirection is in character for Miranda though - admiration of mind may be more uncomfortable than the more primal and emotionally disconnected lust of a body.

Like you said, I think Miranda redirected simply because it's what she is most accostumed to. This is very noticeable in her next conversation; Miranda starts having nouveau feelings for Shepard, she tries to rationalize them as stress, something she is more used to.
I expect to see less of it in ME3.

Modifié par MisterJB, 28 septembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[flemm]

Well, for an in-story explanation,"take ya pick," as Miranda would say. I do think UserForFun's interpretation is one of the stronger ones out there.

From a storytelling standpoint, it happens in the engine room so that we can have the conversation/debate we are having right now.

Modifié par flemm, 28 septembre 2011 - 11:33 .

[MisterJB]

Was preparing my ultimate canon playthrough and realized something wonderful. By picking "The best thing he did was to put you on my squad", not only does Shepard elevate Miranda but it also avoids the dreadful "You're the best humanity has to offer" line.

Eyeshield21 wrote...
It's getting harder and harder to find new pics, the green Miranda pic I found was probably one of the new ones, but It'll take a while to find new ones.

New pic.

Modifié par MisterJB, 28 septembre 2011 - 11:34 .

[jtav]

Actually, I have a theory. They weren't always going to have the romances culminate pre-O4. Think about it. All the romance scenes could take place basically any time post-Horizon. It's not like ME1, where you and your LI talk about Ilos.