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[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Top pic, definitely. *drools* And it's apparently possible to get her in her loyalty and DLC outfits as early as Freedom's Progress.

Hmm...Gibbed's can't do that as far as I'm aware of. So how would that work? Miranda armored on Freedom's Progress would make for screenshots not seen before.

As for Miranda in ME3, I am not sure whether there will be a "Sentinel slot" in the first place. There are enough powers to make every team member unique and the most we could say of any of them, gameplay-wise, is that they may be "Sentinel-like" or "Engineer-like". Kaidan, for instance, would have to be stripped of some of his ME1 skills since they don't fit into the ME2/3 set. Likely he'll get Neural Shock (since Mordin is likely cameo) and Pull which will make him totally different from Miranda even though he's also a Sentinel.

Anyway, I hope - as we all do - to see a lot of her.

[jtav]

I asked Collider. He's the one who mentioned it. Let you know as soon as he replies.

And somebody has to have Warp, and it isn't Liara.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Aria could theoretically take the Sentinel role. We already have one asari Adept. I predict either we or the Jack fans will be throwing proverbial tomatoes at her. And I still say we'll get a new human female LI to balance Vega.

Conceivably, but Aria makes the most sense as a Vanguard, I think. She's an asari commando, so combat/biotics. Also, there is no Vanguard at all, at the moment.

class breakdown is:

Soldier: Vega + Ashley (in a lot of games)

Adept: Liara

Infiltrator: Garrus

Vanguard: ???, maybe Aria (a guess)

Engineer: Tali + Legion (unconfirmed, but I think likely)

Sentinel: Kaidan (in a minority of games) + somebody else, almost definitely

jtav wrote...
And somebody has to have Warp, and it isn't Liara.

Warp is an important power, so I would think two characters at least would have access to it. Maybe even three.

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 03:33 .

[jtav]

We've seen Liara's power set. Her powers are all crowd control.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

We've seen Liara's power set. Her powers are all crowd control.

Yes. To clarify: I think two characters at least are likely to have access to Warp. And you're right, Liara isn't one of them.

[CuseGirl]

flemm wrote...

class breakdown is:

Soldier: Vega + Ashley (in a lot of games)

Adept: Liara

Infiltrator: Garrus

Vanguard: ???, maybe Aria (a guess)

Engineer: Tali + Legion (unconfirmed, but I think likely)

Sentinel: Kaidan (in a minority of games) + somebody else, almost definitely

We've never had a Vanguard and I get the feeling we never will. The only character we've seen with something similar to Shep's Vanguard is Tela Vasir and I hated it. You couldn't keep track of her, so how can u keep track of ur squaddie using it.

[jtav]

Jacob and Jack are Vanguards (esp. Jacob). The only squaddie who doesn't map well is Thane.

[flemm]

CuseGirl wrote...
We've never had a Vanguard and I get the feeling we never will. The only character we've seen with something similar to Shep's Vanguard is Tela Vasir and I hated it. You couldn't keep track of her, so how can u keep track of ur squaddie using it.

You mean with Charge? That's a really awkward power to give a squad member. But the combat/biotics combo we have had. Wrex in ME1. Jacob in ME2. (And Thane, sort of, though he is one of the characters that is most difficult to classify.)

Jacob, for example, has pull + inferno ammo (both ME2 Vanguard powers), as well as Barrier, an ME1 Vanguard power.

EDIT: And Jack could be considered one, too, as jtav points out.

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 03:39 .

[jtav]

I think we'll be able to guess more once we see Kaidan's powers. If he gets both Warp and Overload, I don't think Miranda has very good chances.

[CuseGirl]

jtav wrote...

Jacob and Jack are Vanguards (esp. Jacob). The only squaddie who doesn't map well is Thane.

Well, I associate Vanguard with the biotic charge, that's wut I really meant. 

[flemm]

CuseGirl wrote...
Well, I associate Vanguard with the biotic charge, that's wut I really meant. 

Well, it's even possible they will give Aria charge. It's an Asari commando thing. I just think it's a very challenging power to give a squad member, as far as the pathing and squad A.I. is concerned. But it would fit her personality.

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 03:44 .

[jtav]

Then Miranda isn't a Sentinel because she doesn't have Tech Armor and Mordin isn't and Engineer because he doesn't have a combat drone.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Then Miranda isn't a Sentinel because she doesn't have Tech Armor and Mordin isn't and Engineer because he doesn't have a combat drone.

Mordin could actually be considered the other ME2 Sentinel, I think. Neural Shock (ME1 Sentinel power) + Cryo Blast (ME2 Sentinel power). Granted, Incinerate doesn't really fit. But he seems to pick up on the ME1 concept of the Sentinel potentially being the squad medic.

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 03:48 .

[jtav]

Cryo Blast is also an Engineer power and an ME1 Engineer was also a medic. The defining trait of Sentinels is their tech/biotic hybrid nature.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Cryo Blast is also an Engineer power and an ME1 Engineer was also a medic. The defining trait of Sentinels is their tech/biotic hybrid nature.

True. From that point of view, Miranda is the only ME2 Sentinel. At any rate, she is the prototypical Sentinel moving forward.

Ieldra is right, I would expect Kaidan's powerset to draw on ME1 powers to an extent. So maybe Warp, Throw, Passive, Neural Shock + new/unique power. Something like that.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

Cryo Blast is also an Engineer power and an ME1 Engineer was also a medic. The defining trait of Sentinels is their tech/biotic hybrid nature.

True. From that point of view, Miranda is the only ME2 Sentinel. At any rate, she is the prototypical Sentinel moving forward.

Ieldra is right, I would expect Kaidan's powerset to draw on ME1 powers to an extent. So maybe Warp, Throw, Passive, Neural Shock + new/unique power. Something like that.

Kaidan hasn't got Warp in ME1, so I don't expect he'll get it in ME3. His biotic powers are Lift (=Pull), Throw, Stasis and Barrier.

[jtav]

The "killer new feature" will be revealed October 25th in Xbox World. So new info soon.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Kaidan hasn't got Warp in ME1, so I don't expect he'll get it in ME3. His biotic powers are Lift (=Pull), Throw, Stasis and Barrier.

Possibly, though I wouldn't rule out something like Warp for Kaidan. Anyway, I don't think Kaidan's powers matter that much, as far as Miranda's squad presence is concerned. He'll be in only a minority of games, and there will almost definitely be another Sentinel-esque squad member in any event. Is that Miranda, or somebody else? Time will tell.

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 05:12 .

[Xilizhra]

I hope that Bioware isn't afraid to make the game harder for people who let ME2 squadmates die.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

The "killer new feature" will be revealed October 25th in Xbox World. So new info soon.

If it's squad-related, I guess it could be the new squad functionality. Otherwise, probably something else entirely.

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...
I hope that Bioware isn't afraid to make the game harder for people who let ME2 squadmates die.

Yes, but in which way? Making actual combat gameplay harder isn't much in terms of consequences. As I said before, the only thing that would have impact is to close off certain plot development paths. For instance, if you don't have Tali and Legion you can't broker a peace
between the geth and the quarians. If Miranda's dead, you can't let her
take Cerberus resources and use them against the Reapers. Unfortunately, not all team members can be used that way.

[jtav]

I've been thinking about the Great Fanbase Split, specifically regarding her character, and I wonder if we might find a compromise in a return to the hardening/softening mechanic of the first game where you could convince Ash to trust aliens and Kaidan to mistrust them. It could either be P/R or tied to a past decision. Since those who want a more ruthless Miranda tend to keep it, and those who want a kinder Miranda tend to destroy it, having her personality influenced by the final choice might not be such a bad idea.

[MisterJB]

Miranda's opinion regarding the base isn't dependant on Shepard's in ME2, why should it be in ME3?

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Making actual combat gameplay harder isn't much in terms of consequences.

I think that's especially true given that squad comp doesn't really matter much in Normal mode, or even Veteran. Certain comps are still better, of course, but anything works, really, even if you don't turn off squad member automatic power usage.

MisterJB wrote...

Miranda's opinion regarding the base isn't dependant on Shepard's in ME2, why should it be in ME3?

That's basically my reaction as well. As to Miranda being more or less ruthless according to player choice, I'd say that's possible, since it's already the case in ME2. But I doubt it would depend on anything being flagged coming into the game. Just dialogue options/choices within ME3.

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 07:27 .

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...
 As to Miranda being more or less ruthless according to player choice, I'd say that's possible, since it's already the case in ME2.

Yeah, but Shepard physically restrains her. Not cool.
Why couldn't it have been more like Mordin's?

But I doubt it would depend on anything being flagged coming into the game. Just dialogue options/choices within ME3.

I actually think I remember a dev saying Miranda's romance in ME3 would be diferent depending on which approach to it you chose in ME2. "I can't admire your body or your mind?" or "Are you jealous?"
Don't quote me on this, though.