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[MisterJB]

Gallimatia wrote...
The lines immediately after change, but nothing in the later conversation which is what I would expect if it was to be a road split.

Actually, they do. If you choose the Renegade path, in the next conversation, Miranda says:
"I wondered when you'd come back. Listen, whatever happened was a simple mistake, nothing more. I don't know what this is! If this is stress, or just blowing off steam, or..."

To which Shepard responds:
" What are you so afraid of? That you might actually start caring for somebody?"

If instead you chose the Paragon path, the conversation starts like this:
"Miranda: I don't know what this is! If this is stress, or just blowing off steam, or...
Shepard: I care about you Miranda, and I think you care about me."

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:46 .

[Gallimatia]

Interesting. I was completely wrong. Sorry about that.

I would be less surprised if it effected ME3 knowing this.

Modifié par Gallimatia, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:52 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

I just don't like that Shepard physically restrains Miranda. That, by itself, was presumptuous and unnecessary and, to make matters worse, there was an Asari armed with a freaking Claymore ready to kill them.

Presumptuous maybe, but unnecessary? I don't know. Miranda has made up her mind. I think if he doesn't grab her, Nikhet is a dead man, no matter what Shepard says. That's a clear difference compared with the Mordin example, where he is already hesitating.

On the second point, sure. But it's just a case of the enemy politely waiting around for the plot to happen. A very common condition in this type of story. Easy to diagnose, difficult to cure.

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:51 .

[MisterJB]

I like to think that Miranda would at least listen to what Shepard has to say before blasting Niket away. Akin to Anders trying to kill an innocent mage in DA2, restraining Anders was a last resort.

Ieldra2 wrote...
For instance like this: in a conversation after you meet her again you could say to her that you've been surprised about her opinion about the CB. Depending on the decision you actually made, she would then reply either "Well, you made the same decision, so I gather you don't disagree"

Should this happen, I would like the option to argue with her the notion that using the Base was a betrayal and present pratical reasons to destroy the base.
"I won't let fear compromise who I am" was bad enough.

or "You know, I didn't think straight at the time, all I could see was Oriana in one of those pods. I'm glad you didn't listen to me."

"Keeping the Base was the safest way of making sure she would never end up on a pod similar to those."

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 octobre 2011 - 09:07 .

[jtav]

[MisterJB]

If you don't mind my asking, is there a way to give Shepard proper weapons in Freedom's Progress. As in Mattock?

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

I like to think that Miranda would at least listen to what Shepard has to say before blasting Niket away. Akin to Anders trying to kill an innocent mage in DA2, restraining Anders was a last resort.

I think it's just a practical thing. Miranda is fast and accurate. We saw that at the beginning of the loyalty mission. Also, while he does grab her arm, it's done in quite a gentle, almost supplicating sort of way. So I don't know. It's not my preferred option there, but I think I'm cool with it.


EDIT: New screenshots = awesome!

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 09:17 .

[Ieldra]

Hmm....you beat me to it, jtav. Nice shots. I have no game where I am on Freedom's Progress at the moment.

[jtav]

You know what the best part is? It's compatible with JeanLuc's hi-res mod. More screenshots incoming in a few minutes

[jtav]

And what did I tell you?

[Eyeshield21]

[flemm]

Sweet. And Miranda may look even better in ME3 than in the prior game. I may be reduced to spamming little hearts or the blushing smilie thing if it works out that way

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 09:47 .

[jtav]

Any other requests, within reason?

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

or "You know, I didn't think straight at the time, all I could see was Oriana in one of those pods. I'm glad you didn't listen to me."

"Keeping the Base was the safest way of making sure she would never end up on a pod similar to those."

After I which I would quote herself at her "The mission is too important to let personal feelings interfere"

Ah well, likely it's too much to hope for a debate with several exchanges. How I miss games like Planescape:Torment. We'll not see its like in these days of fully voiced characters for a very long time.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

"Keeping the Base was the safest way of making sure she would never end up on a pod similar to those."

After I which I would quote herself at her "The mission is too important to let personal feelings interfere"

Or she might say something like...

I had calculated all the variables. The "betrayal" thing was just a figure of speech. Have you really been that worked up about this since then, Shepard? It's good to know you care.

LoL

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 10:15 .

[MisterJB]

Oriana is the exception. I don't expect Miranda to ever put the mission ahead of Oriana. "There isn't a point to saving the world if I can't even talk to my sister."

[Melra]

I don't think she really cares that much about talking to her sister. She'd give it up for greater good, her safety she wouldn't, but if it took for her to never see her sister again, I think she'd do it, as long as she knew that she was safe.

[Collider]

MisterJB wrote...

Oriana is the exception. I don't expect Miranda to ever put the mission ahead of Oriana. "There isn't a point to saving the world if I can't even talk to my sister."

That defeatism doesn't sound like Miranda.

[flemm]

Melrache wrote...

I don't think she really cares that much about talking to her sister. She'd give it up for greater good, her safety she wouldn't, but if it took for her to never see her sister again, I think she'd do it, as long as she knew that she was safe.

Sounds about right to me. She was ready not to talk to her at all, originally. But was devoted to her safety anyway.

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 10:16 .

[jtav]

I think Oriana's safety is the one thing that overrides her "operative" side. She will make any sacrifice, do almost anything, to ensure that.

[MisterJB]

Collider wrote...
That defeatism doesn't sound like Miranda.

Miranda's own words.

Also, what Melrache said.

[Collider]

MisterJB wrote...

Collider wrote...
That defeatism doesn't sound like Miranda.

Miranda's own words.

Hmm, that's a bit disappointing.

[flemm]

Collider wrote...

Hmm, that's a bit disappointing.

I'm not sure why you read the line as defeatist, exactly. Could you explain what you mean?

Modifié par flemm, 01 octobre 2011 - 10:21 .

[jtav]

To give a little context, though, it's said to Oriana when she worries about them chatting online. It's not literally "there's no point in saving the world other than talking to you"

[Collider]

flemm wrote...

Collider wrote...

Hmm, that's a bit disappointing.

I'm not sure why you read the line as defeatist, exactly Could you explain what you mean?

"There isn't a point to saving the galaxy if I can't talk to my sister."
Galaxy not worth saving  and fighting for if her sister is gone? That is defeatist.
Though, as jtav said, context is important.

Modifié par Collider, 01 octobre 2011 - 10:22 .