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[naledgeborn]

At this point consensus is that Miranda is on the run from Cerberus and the Illusive Man, am I right?

On the topic of her looks; good idea MASSEFFECTfanforlife101. Rogue from X-men is a good change up. Not too radical but still fresh enough to keep our attention. Throw some Sarah Connor from Terminator in there, with the current Miranda Lawson we know and love. And we have our war-torn, Cerberus fugitive.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ I didn't really mean Rogue from X-men . Though, now that I think of it, That's kinda the idea that I'm thinking of now. That would be nice.<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3^_^

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 juin 2011 - 09:40 .

[Ieldra]

Hmph. I certainly hope they won't adopt that over-the-top comic-book style. There's more than a hint of that in Samara's outfit, which I find ridiculous. But Sarah Connor is good for inspiration, though I don't think Miranda will have that primitive (compared to the ME universe) look in ME3. I think she'll look sleek and powerful. And sexy. But in a less over-the-top way than in ME2.

There was this picture of Summer Glau in a black-and-silver outfit floating around some time ago. That I'd find much more appropriate.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 juin 2011 - 09:44 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

It'll probably be a design that gives her look that symbolizes her as a Cerberus Fugitive. Like a rebel type look. Maybe something loose and possibly War torn, but Still Sexy.
Even though I LOVE her Loyalty outfit heh heh.<3<3<3<3^_^

Perhaps a one piece with a jacket. Or a sleeveless vest of some kind.

Anyone have any other ideas that could help me with this lol?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 juin 2011 - 09:52 .

[MACharlie1]

Miranda needed to be written by one writer - which is why her attitude bounces around from time to time and why the Suicide Mission really doesn't reflect anything that has happened in the game thus far. A loyal Miranda and unloyal Miranda should have had separate dialogs throughout. Loyal? Miranda won't be as judgemental when Shepard selects the fire team leader nor will she be against sending someone back with the crew. And then we'd get her destroy the base line. If unloyal, she's what she is in the game now but advocates keeping the base. Perhaps turning on Shep if he destroys it and she's unloyal - she would die anyway.

In addition, just so it's not sudden, there really should have been a scene where her faith is visibly shaken. Just one extra tree of dialog from her. That's it.

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
 I've always maintained that Miranda recommending to destroy the base, especially with the line she uses, is 100% out of character

Let me give you an example from the comic book series and movie "Watchmen". The Comedian is a cynical brute, capable of shooting a woman pregnant with his child without so much as a second tought.
However, when he discovered a plan to kill millions of people in order to create World Peace and realized that he was partially responsible for it, he had a crisis of conscience, going so far as to cry. This is something that not even Ozymandias, the smartest man in the world, could have predicted.
My point is that, when the stakes are high enough, people can surprise us by acting he ways we never expected them to.

From the beginning, Miranda showed that she cares about the people under her command (she expresses anger at all the people who died in the Lazarus station) and that humanity's protection is one of her main concerns. Knowying that, I do not think it's out of character for her to not trust Cerberus with that kid of tec, expecially after TIM revealed he is interested in "domination". It was certainly an extreme reaction, but it happened under drastic circumstances.
The only thing that I consider OOC is that Miranda didn't show the sligthest of doubts regardin her decision upon her return to the Normandy.

But yeah, Bioware could have handled that a bit better. The "betrayal" argument can be used by both sides, as TIM proved.

Modifié par MisterJB, 22 juin 2011 - 10:08 .

[Chrislo1990]

Hey guys sorry if I"m late on this but I just found out Christina Norman left Bioware. Is this going to hurt our chances of having MIranda play a bigger role in Mass Effect as a love interest and as strong ally against cerberus? :/ :/

[Ieldra]

@MACharlie:
I do not think her personal views should depend on her loyalty. I think she should've recommended keeping the base in any case, perhaps with misgivings, but if loyal, followed Shepard against her personal views because she trusts his judgment, and consequently resigned from Cerberus.

BTW, here's the outfit I was thinking of:



That would be a nice civilian outfit for her, and with a little padding added and covered arms, even for combat missions. With the zipper closed, of course.

@Chrislo1990:
No I don't think it will change anything about Miranda.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 juin 2011 - 09:58 .

[MisterJB]

MACharlie1 wrote...
 Miranda won't be as judgemental when Shepard selects the fire team leader

Why not? Picking people like Jack or Grunt to lead the Fire Team is a stupid decision. I'm glad Miranda is not afraid to point this out.

nor will she be against sending someone back with the crew.

She's not, she's against the notion of Shepard bringing the whole team back to escort the crew. She says nothing against sending a single squadmate.

[Mr Plow]

All this talk about the Base and Miranda's attitude makes me think the following would have been welcome...

If I could have added one thing for Miranda would have been a cut scene between her and TIM after the Collector Ship mission where she...airs her concerns over TIM's handling of that particular mission/keeping things from her. It didn't have to be a blazing argument, just a disagreement with TIM reminding Miranda of her place while she shows support towards Shepard & the team/crew to show some tension

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@MACharlie:
I do not think her personal views should depend on her loyalty. I think she should've recommended keeping the base in any case, perhaps with misgivings, but if loyal, followed Shepard against her personal views because she trusts his judgment, and consequently resigned from Cerberus.

BTW, here's the outfit I was thinking of:



That would be a nice civilian outfit for her, and with a little padding added and covered arms, even for combat missions. With the zipper closed, of course.

That was a type of outfit that I wass thinking of as well. Thanks for posting it.:happy:

[TomY90]

I think MisterJB hit the nail on the head with that one but to me the part with miranda at the end with her talking about the decision was actually well done involving you destroying the collector base and they could not add any commentary to her leaving cerberus incase she was not with you when you choose to do so.

an example of this is if you brought Jacob with you to the last section and afterwards he says 'I would have loved to seen his face when you decided to blow up the base' .... correction he did.

it is just something they do to make sure people do not miss out for not having certain squad members with them during missions which these two cases show perfectly the effects of it.

The only thing I wish they did was add commentary after the mission on the romances (only Kasumi acknowledges it) even your LI says nothing about it after and acts like you still have not done it

[O Tucker]

Keep join my group people please!!! XD
http://social.bioware.com/group/4108/

[TomY90]

Chrislo1990 wrote...

Hey guys sorry if I"m late on this but I just found out Christina Norman left Bioware. Is this going to hurt our chances of having MIranda play a bigger role in Mass Effect as a love interest and as strong ally against cerberus? :/ :/

I doubt it I can imagine the scripts have already been done for the characters and I doubt much changes will occur on the characters side of things, probably at best very minor tweaks will occur on relatively minor points for instance dialogue probably chance some lines to other lines.

There is probably some stuff up in the air still for instance with Tali showing her face or not probably some LI's they will be having similar issues which I am unsure what they could be for Miranda.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

TomY90 wrote...

The only thing I wish they did was add commentary after the mission on the romances (only Kasumi acknowledges it) even your LI says nothing about it after and acts like you still have not done it

If only they did. But at least there was cuddling in the Captain's Quarters. <3<3<3<3^_^
And the Romance with Miri was acknowledged at the end of LOTSB.<3<3<3<3^_^

We'll just have to wait till ME3 for more Romantic, Touching, and Emotional (In a GOOD Way) moments I'm afraid.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

O Tucker wrote...

Keep join my group people please!!! XD
http://social.bioware.com/group/4108/

Don't worry. I'm already part of it.

[naledgeborn]

I think JB's on point. Miranda is human after all. Being in a mission where casualties is a possibility will do that. These casualties could be her subordinates who entrusted her with their lives (Cerberus personnel) by putting on a uniform and following her orders. And colleagues with whom she may have grown fond of professionally if not personally (the Squad, Shepard). Put all of that together with the uncertainty of the unknown (Omega 4) and her adrenaline, like everyone else's, was probably spiking. Under different circumstances I think she'd advocate keeping the Collector Base. Her resignation though is not OOC if she tags along on Jack's LM and the Collector Ship.

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW, here's the outfit I was thinking of:

*zip*

That would be a nice civilian outfit for her, and with a little padding added and covered arms, even for combat missions. With the zipper closed, of course.

I have to say, that I like the outfit, I disagree with the zipper though

I also approve of Miri voicing her opinion, no matter what it is. It's how things should go, you have a concern in group -> you get it out of your chest. Better safe than sorry. Being an XO is sometimes about challenging the person in charge, there has to be someone to challenge his thinking sometimes and help him come up with better ideas.

If one person, just goes ''We do this... because I feel like it today'' **** will start to hit the fan. If it goes like ''We do this because.. I feel like it'' ''Are you sure? Have you thought, what could result from such action?'' ''... True, we probably should do it like this instead''.

Just my... few puny cents, that weren't already donated to Greece.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

naledgeborn wrote...

I think JB's on point. Miranda is human after all. Being in a mission where casualties is a possibility will do that. These casualties could be her subordinates who entrusted her with their lives (Cerberus personnel) by putting on a uniform and following her orders. And colleagues with whom she may have grown fond of professionally if not personally (the Squad, Shepard). Put all of that together with the uncertainty of the unknown (Omega 4) and her adrenaline, like everyone else's, was probably spiking. Under different circumstances I think she'd advocate keeping the Collector Base. Her resignation though is not OOC if she tags along on Jack's LM and the Collector Ship.

AGREED:happy:

[TomY90]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And the Romance with Miri was acknowledged at the end of LOTSB.<3<3<3<3^_^

We'll just have to wait till ME3 for more Romantic, Touching, and Emotional (In a GOOD Way) moments I'm afraid.

completely forgot about LOTSB but wish the rest did that.

I think you are right about ME3 you can see from the DLC content they have already acknowledged that everyone thinks commentary on romances is very important for such a story.

oh and I have joined that group now as well

[naledgeborn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I like this, Throw the cargo jacket over this and I really like it. It'd give the sense that she was at war and the extra pockets would come in handy for storing thermal clips.

[Ieldra]

TomY90 wrote...
I think MisterJB hit the nail on the head with that one but to me the part with miranda at the end with her talking about the decision was actually well done involving you destroying the collector base and they could not add any commentary to her leaving cerberus incase she was not with you when you choose to do so.

No, that was not well done. She doesn't even acknowledge that there could've been something important to find in the base, even after some time to think about it. Totally unbelievable. I could live with her comment after you keep the base ("I hope what is in the base is worth it"). At least she acknowledges it there. To have doubts, that's perfectly understandable for anyone here, but for Miranda to have none about destroying the base, that's unbelievable.

But again, her leaving Cerberus at that point is NOT canon. I don't know why everyone takes it as a given that she does. She only does when you take her with you, and.....is there nobody else but me here who regularly keeps the base? Like, btw, 37% of all players do? People seem to have such a desperate need to see her part ways with Cerberus, I can't understand it. Cerberus is not the enemy, damn it, at least not as of ME2. The Reapers are. People seem to forget that. Cerberus may be ugly enough, but it's nothing, NOTHING against the Reapers. That's why we work with them.

[MisterJB]

TomY90 wrote...
The only thing I wish they did was add commentary after the mission on the romances (only Kasumi acknowledges it) even your LI says nothing about it after and acts like you still have not done it

Actually, Tali and Jacob's romances have dialogue after the Suicide Mission.

[TomY90]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I like this idea I can imagine it will be very similar to the ME2 design just 'evolved' can imagine the out fit will be less like a catsuit on her considering she has left cerberus so in a way she is more free and knowing it the clothing will fit that by lets say revealing more whether its arms or chest region they will be showing of miranda.

In white with the hexagon pattern with black detailing and a catsuit or more revealing catsuit i will be happy with

[jtav]

I think they skipped several steps regarding Miranda's doubts about Cerberus being convincing. The doubt needed to build as the story progressed and one or two easily missed lines don't count. I don't find it convincing at all. It could have been made convincing, but they needed to slow down.

I want my reserved, hyper-practical operative back. If the romance costs me that, I go from mere dislike of something that had potential to seething hatred. If it's gone no matter what, well I have saves where she's dead.