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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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Eyeshield21 wrote...
fair enough, I could live with that.(but then becomes a ****load more nicer to YOU in person, but then acts normally while other people are also in the room. probably won't happen, but just a thought.)


Initially nicer to Shepard is extremely likely, I think. Not sweet, necessarily, but they are allies now (+ romance if it is flagged).

What I think we might see is a sort of role reversal where you have the VS (usually Ashley) who is initially cold and distant with Shepard, and vice versa, due to the after effects of ME2 and the trial. Plus Vega, who once idolized Shep, but who has recently become disillusioned with her/him.

So, when you meet Miranda, she is like the trusted ally from the prior game. You know you can count on each other. But the VS + Vega don't trust her, and are suspicious of her alliance with Shepard.

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jtav wrote...

Nicer to Shepard compared to when they met? Certainly. She will go through hell for those she cares for, and I flatter myself that any Shepard makes the shortlist. What I fear is that she'll lose her devotion to the advancement of humanity, that her loyalty to Cerberus was compensation for the affection denied her, and now that she has Shepard/Oriana, she forgets about that. And that she'll stop being the person who reminds you the mission comes first.

To put it another way, Miranda is both idealist and pragmatist, and both sides are necessary for me to like the character.


would be a big change and terrible for the character.

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If Miranda gets Paragonized I'll youtube myself putting a bullet in my brain...I'm lying. But that's how strongly I feel about it. I want her to be a voice of pragmatic reason. I want her to make me think about my decisions/choices real time during that first playthrough of ME3. If she's another Paragon yes-girl my enjoyment of this series will quickly plummet.

Ashley almost pulled this off. However she didn't (during ME1) have the experience/knowledge/savvy to back up her leanings which are qualities that Miranda's possessed since her introduction.

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What I fear is that she'll lose her devotion to the advancement of humanity, that her loyalty to Cerberus was compensation for the affection denied her, and now that she has Shepard/Oriana, she forgets about that. And that she'll stop being the person who reminds you the mission comes first.

To put it another way, Miranda is both idealist and pragmatist, and both sides are necessary for me to like the character.

I expect that she will eventually have to make a difficult choice between Cerberus ideals and those of our Shepard.

That should be pretty individual experience, but my Shepard is happily involved with Miranda and she stood by him 100% of the way. I gave the middle finger to the Illusive Man, and so did she, so I'm curious if Shepard is worth giving up everything she knew and worked hard for. Since Illusive Man seems to think that end justifies the means and my Shepard doesn't this shold make a hell of an emotional roller coaster for Miranda and us players!

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flemm wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...
fair enough, I could live with that.(but then becomes a ****load more nicer to YOU in person, but then acts normally while other people are also in the room. probably won't happen, but just a thought.)


Initially nicer to Shepard is extremely likely, I think. Not sweet, necessarily, but they are allies now (+ romance if it is flagged).

What I think we might see is a sort of role reversal where you have the VS (usually Ashley) who is initially cold and distant with Shepard, and vice versa, due to the after effects of ME2 and the trial. Plus Vega, who once idolized Shep, but who has recently become disillusioned with her/him.

So, when you meet Miranda, she is like the trusted ally from the prior game. You know you can count on each other. But the VS + Vega don't trust her, and are suspicious of her alliance with Shepard.

I agree with this, but VS must know Shep was fighting Collectors and who knows wha telse to save the galaxy a second time.

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naledgeborn wrote...

If Miranda gets Paragonized I'll youtube myself putting a bullet in my brain...I'm lying. But that's how strongly I feel about it. I want her to be a voice of pragmatic reason. I want her to make me think about my decisions/choices real time during that first playthrough of ME3. If she's another Paragon yes-girl my enjoyment of this series will quickly plummet.

Ashley almost pulled this off. However she didn't (during ME1) have the experience/knowledge/savvy to back up her leanings which are qualities that Miranda's possessed since her introduction.


The only Paragon yes-girl that I find in ME-ME2 is Tali. Jack has a Paragon romance, but she's a Renegade character. Liara was Paragon in ME3, but she's more darker and pragmatic in ME2.

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Shepard I'm Pregnantby ~chris400ad

Dr. Chakwas looked down at Miranda lying on the bed. Miranda wondered briefly why she was here. After all, it was only a bit of sickness. But Shepard had asked her to go and find out what it was, so she had. It was early and the majority of the crew was asleep, except Dr. Chakwas. She seemed to be wide awake. Miranda envied her as she stifled a yawn. Dr. Chakwas looked down at the OSD and sighed. Miranda tried not to show the fear creeping through her.

"Miranda, you are not ill," she said, but Miranda noticed the look in Dr. Chakwas' eyes. "You are -- I don't quite know how to say this."
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"What?" Miranda asked impatiently.

Dr. Chakwas faltered for a moment, and then said, "You are pregnant."

Miranda's mouth dropped open. I can't be. It's absurd.

She wanted to say something, but for once she was lost for words. She smiled as the realisation swept over her.

"Congratulations,"" Dr. Chakwas said with a faint smile.

Miranda was still a little stunned, but thanked the doctor. Then a terrible thought struck her, and her happiness evaporated. ""Can I have a healthy child?"

"I don't see why not,"" Dr. Chakwas said. "Your genetic tailoring doesn't prevent reproduction. I doubt your father thought of it, and therefore didn't restrict it. As to whether the child will be healthy, the tests I have run show that there is a 90% chance it will be healthy."

"Thank you." Miranda sighed in relief. This was the best thing that had ever happened to her.

"Don't thank me," the doctor said with a smile. "It's Shepard who deserves the thanks."

Miranda nodded and wondered what Shepard would say. She knew he would be happy for her, and support what she wanted to do. That was one of his best features. He always cared about what people thought. She had considered it a weakness to start with, but she now realised it was what made him great. She got up slowly trying to take it all in. It was still a little overwhelming that this could happen to her. She walked out of the med bay, not focusing on where she was going, and bumped into Thane.

"Sorry," she said hastily as he took a step back.

"It's alright, Miranda," he said in that peaceful calming tone of his. "Think nothing of it."

She nodded and continued into the elevator. Her heart raced as the elevator rose. How am I going to tell him?

It was rare for her to feel nervous, so the emotion felt strange, as if it didn't quite fit her. The elevator door opened and she stepped out, her eyes raking the room, looking for him. He had his back to her, staring out of the window. She walked slowly towards him, wondering bizarrely what to do with her hands. He looked at her and she felt her heart beat faster and faster. He saw concern cross his face as he looked at her. Is it really that obvious? She smiled. This was good news, after all.

"What's wrong?" he asked, putting a hand on her shoulder.

"Nothing. Nothing's wrong," she said, moving his hand to her waist and bringing him closer to her.

"Something is going on,""he said with concern. She looked at him. How much has he suffered in his life? He deserves this.

She took a deep breath and asked, "How long have we been together?"

He tensed and said, "Four months."" There was an awkward pause. "Why?"

She ran her fingers through her hair, trying to banish her trepidation.

"I'm -- I'm pregnant." Tears filled her eyes and she laughed at how stupid she was being.

"That's great," Shepard said with a sigh of relief. "I thought you were going to say something else. That's brilliant!"

She wiped the tears away and kissed him, her nerves vanishing, finally replaced with jubilation. After a few seconds, they broke apart. She wanted this moment to last forever.

"Who else knows?" he asked quietly.

"Only Dr. Chakwas," she replied. "Mind you, I think they will figure it out, don't you?"

He smiled. "How do you want to tell them?"

She thought briefly "I don't know," she admitted. "Jacob deserves to know. Who do you want to tell?"

"Tali, Joker, and Garrus," he answered. The three people she knew he would tell, of course. "We might as well tell the press. They'll find out one way or another, better on our terms."

She nodded, knowing he was right. He was everyone's hero. She wondered what kind of a life the child would have, the amount of attention it would get.

"Shepard, do you think this is right?" she asked him quietly"I mean, imagine what it's going to be born into"

He didn't answer at once, just stared out of the window.

"Miranda, I have very little family left. I have devoted my life to everyone else. I never dreamed that I would be a father. I'm not going to let the press stop that."

She nodded slowly. How long had he wanted this? She kissed him and turned to go.

"Miranda. Thank you,""he said, tears forming in his eyes.

"No, Shepard. Thank you,""she said as she entered the elevator.

Enjoy!

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Eyeshield21 wrote...



I agree with this, but VS must know Shep was fighting Collectors and who knows wha telse to save the galaxy a second time.


Eh, I'd expect apologies from the VS.

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The only Paragon yes-girl that I find in ME-ME2 is Tali. Jack has a Paragon romance, but she's a Renegade character. Liara was Paragon in ME3, but she's more darker and pragmatic in ME2.


Well Jack's just along for the ride and rarely voices her actual opinon. Sure she has great lines but she wouldn't give a lot of insight and I'm not sure that I'd follow her advice if she did based on her track record. Liara kind of shed her "cocoon" of pragmatism at the end of LotSB. I bet she's still capable, but she's not human. Humanity first I say, though not at the detriment of other species. Liara isn't as "Humanity First" as Miranda.

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jtav wrote...
Nicer to Shepard compared to when they met? Certainly. She will go through hell for those she cares for, and I flatter myself that any Shepard makes the shortlist. What I fear is that she'll lose her devotion to the advancement of humanity, that her loyalty to Cerberus was compensation for the affection denied her, and now that she has Shepard/Oriana, she forgets about that. And that she'll stop being the person who reminds you the mission comes first.

To put it another way, Miranda is both idealist and pragmatist, and both sides are necessary for me to like the character.

Yep. Miranda is pragmatic but not a cynic. She works for something bigger than herself, i.e. the advancement of humanity, whichever vision she may have of that (and it's likely somewhat different from TIM's). She values loyalty and is fiercely loyal to both her cause and those she cares for personally. On missions she's competent, thinks independently and weighs consequences rationally.

That's the Miranda I want back in ME3.

In the romance, well, there I'd like her to be a little more confident. Her insecurity in ME2 is well grounded, but I'd like her to grow beyond her self-esteem problems and make peace with her origins.

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naledgeborn wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

The only Paragon yes-girl that I find in ME-ME2 is Tali. Jack has a Paragon romance, but she's a Renegade character. Liara was Paragon in ME3, but she's more darker and pragmatic in ME2.


Well Jack's just along for the ride and rarely voices her actual opinon. Sure she has great lines but she wouldn't give a lot of insight and I'm not sure that I'd follow her advice if she did based on her track record. Liara kind of shed her "cocoon" of pragmatism at the end of LotSB. I bet she's still capable, but she's not human. Humanity first I say, though not at the detriment of other species. Liara isn't as "Humanity First" as Miranda.


Obviously. I hope that she'll continue on that road in ME3 (if Bioware will make her TIW, it'll be epic for me:O)

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Yep. Miranda is pragmatic but not a cynic. She works for something bigger than herself, i.e. the advancement of humanity, whichever vision she may have of that (and it's likely somewhat different from TIM's). She values loyalty and is fiercely loyal to both her cause and those she cares for personally. On missions she's competent, thinks independently and weighs consequences rationally.

That's the Miranda I want back in ME3.

In the romance, well, there I'd like her to be a little more confident. Her insecurity in ME2 is well grounded, but I'd like her to grow beyond her self-esteem problems and make peace with her origins.


I agree with you on both arguments. We could only hope that she'll not have a different personality in ME3.

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Shepard I'm Pregnantby ~chris400ad


It would be incredible to see a scene like this.

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@Eyeshield21:
You appear to have a knack for writing up scenarios I dislike. I gather you've heard of Miranda's infertility? What you just wrote up was the dreaded "miracle pregnancy" scenario, which I dubbed "cured by Shepard's super sperm". If we get that in the game, I'm going to break my ME3 DVD.

I'd like Miranda's infertility to be cured or circumvented as an option, but only after ME3, and most definitely by medical technology and not by some unexplainable event. IMO it would be best to only give hints that such a possibility exists in the epilogue. IMO pregnancies are strictly for fanfic.

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It would be if it weren't for the fact that Miranda can't have kids. :P

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Ieldra2 wrote...
In the romance, well, there I'd like her to be a little more confident. Her insecurity in ME2 is well grounded, but I'd like her to grow beyond her self-esteem problems and make peace with her origins.


I agree, little reason for the perfect women to have self esteem issues, she should have thought she was better than Shepard and viewed them as nothing but one TIM's play things. That would have been a lot more interesting than her elevating Shepard by putting herself down.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

@Eyeshield21:
You appear to have a knack for writing up scenarios I dislike. I gather you've heard of Miranda's infertility? What you just wrote up was the dreaded "miracle pregnancy" scenario, which I dubbed "cured by Shepard's super sperm". If we get that in the game, I'm going to break my ME3 DVD.


Breaking it will not satisfy my rage. I'll melt it in pot full of water:devil:

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Ieldra2 wrote...

@Eyeshield21:
You appear to have a knack for writing up scenarios I dislike. I gather you've heard of Miranda's infertility? What you just wrote up was the dreaded "miracle pregnancy" scenario, which I dubbed "cured by Shepard's super sperm". If we get that in the game, I'm going to break my ME3 DVD.

I don't know if eyeshield is chris400 however, had you followed the link, you would have seen that fanfic was written in May of 2010, long before LotSB.

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MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Eyeshield21:
You appear to have a knack for writing up scenarios I dislike. I gather you've heard of Miranda's infertility? What you just wrote up was the dreaded "miracle pregnancy" scenario, which I dubbed "cured by Shepard's super sperm". If we get that in the game, I'm going to break my ME3 DVD.

I don't know if eyeshield is chris400 however, had you followed the link, you would have seen that fanfic was written in May of 2010, long before LotSB.


Uh...sorry, I didn't notice that was fanfic excerpt.

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Miranda = The best female character of Mass Effect 2.
She is such an interesting character :D
She most defiantly needs to be in Mass Effect 3. <3

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But still...no pregnancy. Please. I get enough of that in romance.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Eyeshield21:
You appear to have a knack for writing up scenarios I dislike. I gather you've heard of Miranda's infertility? What you just wrote up was the dreaded "miracle pregnancy" scenario, which I dubbed "cured by Shepard's super sperm". If we get that in the game, I'm going to break my ME3 DVD.

I don't know if eyeshield is chris400 however, had you followed the link, you would have seen that fanfic was written in May of 2010, long before LotSB.


Uh...sorry, I didn't notice that was fanfic excerpt.

yeah, Chris made them, not me, he/she(not sure if its a dude or a girl) made a fanfic, I just wanted people to see his/her work. No hard feelings, Ieldra2.

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jtav wrote...

But still...no pregnancy. Please. I get enough of that in romance.



you don't like the idea of pregnancy?

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And to restate my feelings another way: it's Miranda, not TIM, that represents the best and worst of humanity. That consequentialism I talk about? I think it's immoral. Her very creation is against all that I stand for. But her intelligence, competence, loyalty, idealism, and willingness to give of herself are virtues. And she has more virtue than most. Besides, someone has to remind us that wishing doesn't make it so.

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And here comes the rare moment where I disagree with you, jtav. Apart from other things, I like Miranda for her consequentialism, which I think is a perfectly valid philosophy, only dependent on the relative weight you give your goals and methods. I also like that she's engineered, signifying that humans can enhance themselves and take control of their evolution. IMO, her father actually did a good thing with the gifts he gave her, no matter that his intentions and later actions were anything but that. I also think that the emotional abuse Miranda suffered as a child is mostly responsible for her self-esteem problems, rather than the fact she was engineered.

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