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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

*Brings Undying Love for our Beautiful Feme Fatale:wub:*

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 05 octobre 2011 - 07:19 .

[Eyeshield21]

somehow, I knew this was going to happen after I saw MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 post somethin in Miri's thread. not that I'm complaining...

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 05 octobre 2011 - 07:39 .

[diamondedge]

Besides that: a Miranda without a long history of one night stands, short-living relationships etc means a more healthy and stable relationship with Shepard. Just something to think about.

I disagree.

One night stands are great thing and casual sex isn't the same as making love.

Sex can be an activity devoid of emotion purely and soley for pleasures of the flesh. I won't go into details to why sex is actually very healthy activity - physically and emotionally - regardless of feelings involved but in reality past one night stands don't really compromise future relationships. That, and it's good to get experience. Jumping into life lasting relationship with first possible candidate in bad. For healthy relationship, experience is essential on both emotional and physical level.
(And please do not misunderstand, I'm not trying to tell people to sleep around becasue it's good.)

Also, Cerberus would be stupid not to use Miranda (or rather, her assets) as trump card during their missions. Perhaps that is another reason she thinks so lowly of herself - she was essentially always just a tool for someone else to use to get what they want. And due to her history with her father and demands made from Cerberus it would only make sense for her to prove it to everyone - and herself - that she was money well spent. Shepard is the one to tell her she doesn't have to.

When we think about it - Miranda never had anyone to show her love or affection, so her awkward interaction on emotional level is understandable. However, last romance scene suggests that she isn't a newcomer to sex and acts the most determined in the end out of the three.

Modifié par diamondedge, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:19 .

[flemm]

Melrache wrote...

''Oversexed'' oh I hate that term, though if you expected something else, after seeing Miri, then I don't know what you were thinking. Experienced doesn't mean that she's been sleeping with half of the galaxy. Even though the romance scene might have not been everyone's favorite I still think it showed that certain side of Miri. She's not awkward when it comes to sex and she knows how to take control of men in the bedroom. I don't think anyone, who wouldn't have past experience, would be able to pull it off while being believable.

Agreed. So I guess that's... what? Fifthed? Or sixthed? I've lost track 

I am still inclined to agree with jtav's comment a few pages back about a bit of an apparent disconnect between what we see in the game and what we read about in LotSB. It's not a question of experience or lack thereof. Prior to ever playing LotSB, I would have inferred that Miranda was experienced and confident where sex is concerned, in accordance with her somewhat femme fatale-inspired persona.

What makes the LotSB files a bit odd is that she seems basically to be looking for an (effectively) anonymous sperm donor, not a relationship or even sex partner in the regular sense. It's not that she's awkward in regular relationships (sexual or romantic) when she wants to have one, it's that she's not interested in this particular case. 

Her motivation for this is a bit unclear to me, as is why this would be important for the character moving forward. The SB files seem to be a bunch of teases for ME3 stuff, so I suppose we'll find out.

Reminds me a bit of what happens to the Dude in the Big Lebowski. Meaning she wants a kid, but wants to raise the kid herself? That's the most obvious interpretation I can think of.

Modifié par flemm, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:29 .

[Ieldra]

Oh god, I certainly hope not. I wish the LotSB dossiers had never been written (apart from the Oriana chat). Not that I'm saying that for the first time. I seriously hate Miranda's dossier. It points in all the wrong directions as far as I'm concerned.

Besides, I don't think Miranda is socially awkward as a rule. Perhaps people aren't aware of it, but being a field operative means dealing with people, first and foremost. I'd say she's awkward - or starts awkward - with people she comes to care about, but not with others.

@diamondedge:
You have my complete agreement.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:32 .

[jtav]

As long as they aren't stupid enough to knock her up in ME3. Dealbreaker, that.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Besides, I don't think Miranda is socially awkward as a rule.

I see little to no evidence that she is socially awkward in the game, other than perhaps certain interpretations of the SB files (interpretations that I don't even find especially convincing).

Modifié par flemm, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:32 .

[Eyeshield21]

jtav wrote...

As long as they aren't stupid enough to knock her up in ME3. Dealbreaker, that.

I agree(at least put  it in an epilouge or something, like in DAO, if not, then don't put it at all).

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

As long as they aren't stupid enough to knock her up in ME3. Dealbreaker, that.

The best I can speculate is that a character with Miranda's background might be invested in the idea of being a parent in order to make up for her father's mistakes. To treat her child as she believes she should have been treated, something like that. She is already quite protective of Oriana.

If her longterm goals involve some sort of takeover of either Cerberus or her father's company, I could see her wanting her own heir to the throne, so to speak. But she would handle it differently. Something like that, maybe.

I'm not really a fan of the dossier either. But there do seem to be some ME3 teases in there (at least for certain characters).

Modifié par flemm, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:50 .

[jtav]

I'd prefer not even in an epilogue, at least not if I can't avoid it. I don't want kids, real or fictional.

[Eyeshield21]

[quote]jtav wrote...

I'd prefer not even in an epilogue, at least not if I can't avoid it.[quote]
Eyeshield wrote
hmm, I shall respect your opinion.
anyways, she'll probably make a clone of herself, and then raise her.(though I'm sure its not going to happen, just a thought though)

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:50 .

[jtav]

She can do as she pleases in non-romance games, but I want a say in fatherhood. And I consider pregnancy more likely in romance games.

[Eyeshield21]

jtav wrote...

She can do as she pleases in non-romance games, but I want a say in fatherhood. And I consider pregnancy more likely in romance games.

like Morrigan and the Warden in DAO?

[flemm]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

like Morrigan and the Warden in DAO?

Given that ME3's story seems to have certain parallels to DA:O, the comparison has crossed my mind. But beyond that I don't really have anything to add. We know so little about the Reapers and how they could possibly be defeated that I can't really speculate further.

Modifié par flemm, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:58 .

[jtav]

More like Throne of Bhaal, where all the romances resulted in pregnancy come the epilogue. I don't want that. I'm keeping my romance Shep alive just to reduce the likelihood of children.

[Dr. Doctor]

It might just be me but in my mind I sort of compare Miranda's interactions with others to Michael Westen from Burn Notice She's perfectly capable of dealing with assets and other individuals on missions, but when it comes to dealing with people closer to her things get a little more difficult.

 I'd imagine that being in a line of work where being emotional can get you killed makes opening up a difficult proposition. Of course this is all theory in-game the only person we know who had a relationship with Miranda is Jacob, and trying to talk to Jacob is like trying to talk to a brick wall.

[Eyeshield21]

flemm wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...

jtav wrote...

She can do as she pleases in non-romance games, but I want a say in fatherhood. And I consider pregnancy more likely in romance games.

like Morrigan and the Warden in DAO?

Well, given that ME3's story seems to have certain parallels to DA:O, the comparison has crossed my mind. But beyond that I don't really have anything to add. We know so little about the Reapers and how they could possibly be defeated that I can't really speculate further.

come to think of it, ME3 is actually simmilar to DAO in terms of recruiting races and groups to fight a common enemy. In DAO, you fight Darkspawn, in ME3, you fight the Reapers and Cerberus.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'd prefer not even in an epilogue, at least not if I can't avoid it. I don't want kids, real or fictional.

I want this to be restricted to the the epilogue, AND I want a choice about it. Meaning:

In the epilogue, I want that Miranda finds a way around her infertility by using certain technologies, AND I want a choice of whether or not she actually uses that.

Or in a more general sense, I want that the possibility of future children explicitly exists but that its coming to pass remains open or optional. 

[Eyeshield21]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I'd prefer not even in an epilogue, at least not if I can't avoid it. I don't want kids, real or fictional.

I want this to be restricted to the the epilogue, AND I want a choice about it. Meaning:

In the epilogue, I want that Miranda finds a way around her infertility by using certain technologies, AND I want a choice of whether or not she actually uses that.

Or in a more general sense, I want that the possibility of future children explicitly exists but that its coming to pass remains open or optional. 

I support this.
I'm okay wth this if it happens. I like to have the option to choose what I want to do, one of the reasons I fell in love with ME and DA.

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

More like Throne of Bhaal, where all the romances resulted in pregnancy come the epilogue.

Jaheira didn't get pregnant.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I want this to be restricted to the the epilogue, AND I want a choice about it.

Here's the thing... I don't see why the infertility issue would be introduced just to be undone in an epilogue. Wouldn't that be rather pointless?

I tend to think we either won't ever hear about it again (meaning it wasn't ever really important), or there is something more significant going on.

[UserForFun]

Don't mean to spoil the mood, but Miranda's fertility, or infertility is insignificant, unless Bioware wants to continue Mass Effect, with the protagonist being Shepard's child. ( Which I doubt. )

[UserForFun]

Really sorry for double-post, don't know what happened.

Modifié par UserForFun, 05 octobre 2011 - 09:14 .

[MisterJB]

We have to fill the daily quota somehow.

[Dr. Doctor]

 I don't want an epilogue, simply because I can't really picture Shepard or Miranda settling down, at least not yet. But then again I'm a fan of the http://tvtropes.org/...n/InHarmsWay]In Harm's Way[/url] trope.