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[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'd be glad if things work as you say, Athayniel. It would fit with the promise of more replayability.

The thought of Miranda being available for just one mission is severely depressing. I'd rather retain some hope for a more significant presence. The "strategy" of being pessimistic to avoid being disappointed never worked for me.

Likely I won't be able to avoid coming here between March 6 and 9 just to see how it is with Miranda...should Bioware have said nothing until then.

Eh, I hoe I'll be able to contain myself. It doesn't work in the past though.

[jtav]

The "strategy" that's working for me is growing increasingly fond of Ash, Garrus, and Liara. Miranda is still my favorite, but she's only one character.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The "strategy" of being pessimistic to avoid being disappointed never worked for me.

Agreed. Especially since I don't see any strong reason to be pessimistic, really. It's a natural reaction to lack of information, though. We'll see how it all works out.

I think both quality and quantity matter, in the sense that there has to be a certain amount of both for Miranda's appearance in the game to be satisfying.

Modifié par flemm, 06 octobre 2011 - 08:15 .

[Ieldra]

diamondedge wrote...
^^ Quality over quantity, Ieldra2.

I would be able to live with that, if Miranda's role in the plot is really big and her scenes absolutely fantastic. What I'd seriously hate is her being overshadowed by the likes of Garrus and Tali. If that happens, I'll go back to ME2 and kill those two in my two main Shepard's runs. It's not even that I really dislike them as characters. I just hate their omnipresence in the series.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
The "strategy" that's working for me is growing increasingly fond of Ash, Garrus, and Liara. Miranda is still my favorite, but she's only one character.

I like Ash and Liara, but they're no substitute. Ash is the opposite of Miranda where it counts for me and Liara is not human. Interacting with them, while I'm certainly looking forward to it, would always remind me what Miranda doesn't have, should it come to that.

[Dariansarr]

Athayniel wrote...

My completely unfounded speculation on the way the squad works in ME3:

1) At the beginning of the game Shepard will get some squaddies, the VS, Liara, Vega, and "new female squaddie", maybe even Tali and Garrus if they survived ME2. This is what everyone has been calling the core squad.
2) After the Normandy escapes from Earth Shepard will have the opportunity to recruit several more teammates or NPCs from the previous games. But not too many as there is a galactic war on that needs sorting. Shepard must decide which ones to recruit. These will become full squad members for that playthrough. Subsequent playthroughs would let Shepard choose different folks for their squad in order to add replayability. Most squaddies from the previous game will be available at this stage, those you don't recruit now fall through to the next categories.
3) During specific missions Shepard will be able to team up with a previous squaddie who wasn't recruited in the full squad earlier. This will be a temporary team up for select missions which feature this squaddie. Not all squaddies who were recruitable as a full squaddie will be available as a temporary squaddie, they simply don't have such side-missions, or race-loyalty missions which need doing. Those who don't fall through to the last category.
4) Everyone else makes a cameo appearance.

At some point in the story it may be possible that sections 2) and 3) have to be done again, for example some squaddies who were full aren't available for some missions and new ones must be recruited until the full squaddies can return.

This is solely my conception of how the squad will work in ME3. It is entirely possible I am completely wrong. Shockingly, that has been known to happen on occasion.

I like that  theory, especially part 2

[diamondedge]

I think it's safe to say that Liara is going to overshadow pretty much anyone (her being the new widest common denominator of the series and the only one with plot shield against death) but for the others it's pretty much open.

Bioware isn't stupid and knows what is good for business. Miranda is very popular character who has so much room for her development, especially due to her ties to Cerberus and of course, her being one of the most - if not the most - convincing romance in whole ME.

Have faith. Just do not expect too much content, the game is modern RPG that wants to satisfy a lot of people.

[jtav]

No, they aren't stupid, but take a look at Ash in her casual clothes. Shoulder length dark hair in a skin tight catsuit. A least one journalist has already mistaken her for Miranda. While both are easily distinguishable by their fans, Ash and Miranda now have the same "market" among new fans.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

The "strategy" that's working for me is growing increasingly fond of Ash, Garrus, and Liara. Miranda is still my favorite, but she's only one character.

I agree. Though of my top 5 list only Garrus seems to return in the squad, if Miranda will be temporary. Wrex and Mordin are already out, and I doubt that Legion will be perm.
But her presence isn't necessary for me. I love this IP before Miranda came in, and I'll continue to love it. I can't wait to see how this trilogy ends.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

No, they aren't stupid, but take a look at Ash in her casual clothes. Shoulder length dark hair in a skin tight catsuit. A least one journalist has already mistaken her for Miranda. While both are easily distinguishable by their fans, Ash and Miranda now have the same "market" among new fans.

Exactly. This is the reason that brings me to think that Miranda will not be permanent in ME3.

[diamondedge]

jtav wrote...

No, they aren't stupid, but take a look at Ash in her casual clothes. Shoulder length dark hair in a skin tight catsuit. A least one journalist has already mistaken her for Miranda. While both are easily distinguishable by their fans, Ash and Miranda now have the same "market" among new fans.

Appearance wise - perhaps. I'm more than happy to let those who liked Miranda for the ass waltz over to the Ashley fandom - we don't need that kind of people here. That, and Miranda is nothing like Ashley in personality, so we needen't fear.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
No, they aren't stupid, but take a look at Ash in her casual clothes. Shoulder length dark hair in a skin tight catsuit. A least one journalist has already mistaken her for Miranda. While both are easily distinguishable by their fans, Ash and Miranda now have the same "market" among new fans.

I've been thinking they'll Paragonize Ashley. That doesn't take a lot since she already is that except for her nationalism. Which leaves space for Miranda with her consequentialism and her ideals of human advancement mostly unchanged.     

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

No, they aren't stupid, but take a look at Ash in her casual clothes. Shoulder length dark hair in a skin tight catsuit. A least one journalist has already mistaken her for Miranda. While both are easily distinguishable by their fans, Ash and Miranda now have the same "market" among new fans.

It's not a very strong argument at the moment, given that we haven't seen what Miranda looks like in ME3 yet. She was likely mistaken for Miranda because the person was expecting to see Miranda.

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
No, they aren't stupid, but take a look at Ash in her casual clothes. Shoulder length dark hair in a skin tight catsuit. A least one journalist has already mistaken her for Miranda. While both are easily distinguishable by their fans, Ash and Miranda now have the same "market" among new fans.

I've been thinking they'll Paragonize Ashley. That doesn't take a lot since she already is that except for her nationalism. Which leaves space for Miranda with her consequentialism and her ideals of human advancement mostly unchanged.     

It's not a problem of personality. The problem is their look, which are too similar. Not that we can't have two women that are similar, but I think that they changed Ashley because Miranda will not be permanent, so they wanted another woman like her.

[The Elder King]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

No, they aren't stupid, but take a look at Ash in her casual clothes. Shoulder length dark hair in a skin tight catsuit. A least one journalist has already mistaken her for Miranda. While both are easily distinguishable by their fans, Ash and Miranda now have the same "market" among new fans.

It's not a very strong argument at the moment, given that we haven't seen what Miranda looks like in ME3 yet. She was likely mistaken for Miranda because the person was expecting to see Miranda.

I doubt that they'll change her a lot.

[jtav]

What hhh said. You need your main characters distinguishable at a glance, and on a more prurient level, you want to appeal to a large a group as possible. So either Miranda gets a drastic redesign or Ash is taking her spot.

[Eyeshield21]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
No, they aren't stupid, but take a look at Ash in her casual clothes. Shoulder length dark hair in a skin tight catsuit. A least one journalist has already mistaken her for Miranda. While both are easily distinguishable by their fans, Ash and Miranda now have the same "market" among new fans.

I've been thinking they'll Paragonize Ashley. That doesn't take a lot since she already is that except for her nationalism. Which leaves space for Miranda with her consequentialism and her ideals of human advancement mostly unchanged.     

mostly she is unchanged( though she should be nicer to you, it will still be the same Miri, though I'm not sure how she will be if romanced, probably the same, but even more nicer to Shep if romanced, like when he and Miri are alone in the same room, we shall see a softer miri, however she stays the same the rest of the time.)

[Ieldra]

I was trying to counter the appearance argument with a different aspect, hhh89. I have no idea of how much importance we should ascribe to the appearance, and anyway Miranda has that iconic look Ashley will never be able to match because she started out with a different look.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 octobre 2011 - 09:02 .

[who would know]

Just played Miranda's loyalty mission.

Miranda: "I'm going to miss you..." (Shoots Niket) "...figuratively speaking."

Enyala: "I was tired of talking anyway."

Miranda: "So was I." (throws Enyala)

I had to pause the game just to stop laughing. She's so deadpan and dry. Love it.

jtav wrote...

While both are easily distinguishable by their fans, Ash and Miranda now have the same "market" among new fans.

This has been on my mind for a while now... if anything, this is the one item that doesn't bode well for Miranda's permanence in ME3. Gotta fill the TNA quota somehow, right?

[Athayniel]

Dariansarr wrote...

I like that  theory, especially part 2

I am reminded of the begining to 'Pay No Mind' by Beck

This is song two on the album
This is the album right here
I am the album!

[flemm]

hhh89 wrote...

I doubt that they'll change her a lot.

The larger point I'm making is that, from the outside looking in, we tend to assume lots of stuff that we have no reason to really assume. For example, they changed Ashley's look, they may very well change Miranda's.

The demographic that hot chicks appeal to is huge. I guarantee that if Miranda is not on the squad, there will be another hot chick on the squad. 

If Aria is on the squad, there will be two asari as well... That's because the hot human women and the hot blue women target the main demographic the game is shooting for.

Modifié par flemm, 06 octobre 2011 - 09:07 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
What hhh said. You need your main characters distinguishable at a glance, and on a more prurient level, you want to appeal to a large a group as possible. So either Miranda gets a drastic redesign or Ash is taking her spot.

Suppose they give Miranda a somewhat less sexualized version of her white catsuit. She'd be distinguishable at a glance and even more, at a glance recognized as who she is by all who know her from ME2. Would be almost no redesign....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 octobre 2011 - 09:04 .

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I was trying to counter the appearance argument with a different aspect, hhh89. I have no idea of how much importance we should ascribe to the appearance, and anyway Miranda has that iconic look Ashley will never be able to match because she started out with a different look.

I hope that there isn't much importance about their similat appearance, but the only reason that came in my mind for Ashley's new design is to substitute Miranda.
I agree with you about the iconic look.

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flemm wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

I doubt that they'll change her a lot.

The larger point I'm making is that, from the outside looking in, we tend to assume lots of stuff that we have no reason to really assume. For example, they changed Ashley's look, they may very well change Miranda's.

The demographic that hot chicks appeal to is huge. I guarantee that if Miranda is not on the squad, there will be another hot chick on the squad. 

If Aria is on the squad, there will be two asari as well... That's because the hot human women and the hot blue women target the main demographic the game is shooting for.

They don't need two "hot chicks" in the squad. In ME2 there was only one (Miranda) plus an Asari (Samara).
It's true that not everyone will have Ashley, but we'll probably have another human female. (like we'll get a human male, Vega). I really doubt that we'll have two Asari in the team. And I'll be disappointed, they could put another alien.

[jtav]

Ash *had* an iconic look, but they discarded that in favor of, well, Miranda-izing her. Why do that if Miranda's still around?