MisterJB wrote...
Quite frankly, the possibility of all ME2-exclusive squadmates being relegated to temporary companions becomes increasingly plausible.
The email you receive from Cerberus after Zero's LM states that TIM ordered the shut down of the project BEFORE the riot.Xilizhra wrote...
(or, more likely, is simply badly mistaken, especially since it wasn't "shut down" until it was already in ruins),
Remember what Aresh said? Most were bought from Batarian slavers. I doubt Miranda would accept telling a mother their child was dead.it rather implies that she was completely fine with how the project began, which consisted of kidnapping infants.
The Asari's greatest advantage is the fact that the entire race is biotic. I feel bad for the kidnapped asari but those tests were necessary to protect the human race in case of a war with the asari.And then I have to wonder what she thought of Project TRAPDOOR and its kidnapping of asari to test that biotic suppressant drug,
Modifié par MisterJB, 08 octobre 2011 - 01:56 .
Yeah, I totally believe that.The email you receive from Cerberus after Zero's LM states that TIM ordered the shut down of the project BEFORE the riot.
Because that's so much better. And even then, as Jack's dossier shows, "most" isn't "all."Remember what Aresh said? Most were bought from Batarian slavers.
Would she accept TIM doing it? Because he totally did.I doubt Miranda would accept telling a mother their child was dead.
Ah, a liberal definition of "necessity." First they came for the asari, and I said nothing because I was not asari...The Asari's greatest advantage are the fact that the entire race is biotic. I feel bad for the kidnapped asari but those tests were necessary to rpotect the human race in case of a war with the asari.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 08 octobre 2011 - 01:59 .
Xilizhra wrote...
You know, I just realized... Miranda only denounces Teltin by saying that it was shut down "as soon as we saw the extent of the experiments being performed there." Not only do I think she's full of crap on that notion (or, more likely, is simply badly mistaken, especially since it wasn't "shut down" until it was already in ruins), it rather implies that she was completely fine with how the project began, which consisted of kidnapping infants. And then I have to wonder what she thought of Project TRAPDOOR and its kidnapping of asari to test that biotic suppressant drug, or the Trident incident where they did the same thing to unmentioned species (I think it was multiple ones, probably including humans). I accept she might not have known about TRAPDOOR because of the cell structure, but Trident was on the news and she definitely knew about Teltin.
It sounds like Miranda was at least half-lying to herself by the aftermath of both her and Jack's loyalty missions, about what Cerberus was. She'd gotten a better idea but wasn't ready to leave yet, so she tried to stop thinking about Cerberus and just focus on the mission itself, until she just couldn't anymore.This is where I think that ME 2 kinda failed in the character development department with Miranda. Given what you find out about her and some of the reactions she would most certainly be disturbed.
Well, everything Lazarus-cell-related was good, including the building of SR2. Firewalker was... benign, at least.Ieldra2 wrote...
Xilizhra, I have no idea which of those projects Miranda knew about, and it doesn't matter, for she would surely justify some of them, and you would surely justify none of them. Miranda can't win as far as you're concerned, nor can anyone else here who might defend anything, *anything* Cerberus has done. And we all know that. So why not drop this.
You just assume that everything Cerberus command tells you is a lie.Xilizhra wrote...
Yeah, I totally believe that.
It is. Those children were rescued from slavers, given shelter, food and training that would allow them to increase their own abilities and work for the benefit of their fellow man.Because that's so much better.
Would you rather have us do the tests once the war has alrady begun and the asari are killing humans with their minds? Having a biotic supressant would also allow us to have a greater control over any human biotic that might want to misuse their powers.Ah, a liberal definition of "necessity."
Ieldra2 wrote...
Xilizhra, I have no idea which of those projects Miranda knew about, and it doesn't matter, for she would surely justify some of them, and you would surely justify none of them. Miranda can't win as far as you're concerned, nor can anyone else here who might defend anything, *anything* Cerberus has done. And we all know that. So why not drop this.
Modifié par nitefyre410, 08 octobre 2011 - 02:15 .
I think it's safe to take nothing the Illusive Man says at face value. Especially when he'd definitely have something to gain in this case by lying, which isn't the case with many other emails.You just assume that everything Cerberus command tells you is a lie.
So, immediately, then? If the experiments were going to be benign, they wouldn't have needed Teltin to be so secret. Hell, the Alliance was happy to dive into the shady with BAaT; thinking of what Cerberus required to be kept secret by those standards...It is. Those children were rescued from slavers, given shelter, food and training that would allow them to increase their own abilities and work for the benefit of their fellow man.
It was only when they started torturing those children to death that things went to Hell.
I'd trust whatever the Alliance was doing about it, probably. Unless Cerberus was always a secret arm of the Alliance, in which case I really hope to righteously purge its influence in ME3.Would you rather have us do the tests once the war has alrady begun and the asari are killing humans with their minds? Having a biotic supressant would also allow us to have a greater control over any human biotic that might want to misuse their powers.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 08 octobre 2011 - 02:17 .
naledgeborn wrote...
^ The Illusive Man never lied to Shepard other than the Turian distress signal. Even then it was arguably justifiable. He says exactly what he means it's up to you on how to interpret it.
It's people like you Xi, that make me not hate Cerberus.
It's still clear that he has no issues with deception. Obviously, he wouldn't tell me any lies that I could confirm myself, but this is one I technically can't. I just don't believe for a minute TIM had any qualms with Teltin other than, maybe, the attrition rate.naledgeborn wrote...
^ The Illusive Man never lied to Shepard other than the Turian distress signal. Even then it was arguably justifiable. He says exactly what he means it's up to you on how to interpret it.
It's people like you Xi, that make me not hate Cerberus.
That too. Also the thing about spreading rumors that Shepard was alive and working with Cerberus, thus badly diminshing her ability to gain allies outside Cerberus control.what about Liara working for the SB?
Modifié par Xilizhra, 08 octobre 2011 - 02:25 .
You do not know that's a lie. Given the presence of a SB agent in Liara's office, that's an easy thing to be mistaken about.Skullheart wrote...
naledgeborn wrote...
^ The Illusive Man never lied to Shepard other than the Turian distress signal. Even then it was arguably justifiable. He says exactly what he means it's up to you on how to interpret it.
It's people like you Xi, that make me not hate Cerberus.
what about Liara working for the SB?
So, somehow, Cerberus found out that Nyxeris was the Observer long before Liara did, and yet never made the connection that Liara was actually hunting the Shadow Broker? Especially when the entirety of Redemption was about Liara fighting the Shadow Broker while getting help from Cerberus? That's very... selective intelligence gathering there, TIM.Ieldra2 wrote...
You do not know that's a lie. Given the presence of a SB agent in Liara's office, that's an easy thing to be mistaken about.Skullheart wrote...
naledgeborn wrote...
^ The Illusive Man never lied to Shepard other than the Turian distress signal. Even then it was arguably justifiable. He says exactly what he means it's up to you on how to interpret it.
It's people like you Xi, that make me not hate Cerberus.
what about Liara working for the SB?
MisterJB wrote...
Quite frankly, the possibility of all ME2-exclusive squadmates being relegated to temporary companions becomes increasingly plausible.
Gee, I wonder who's going to come out of that alive 99% of the time...jtav wrote...
As I said, I think we're down to four possibilities: Miranda, Jacob, Jack, and Grunt. And suddenly I'm envisioning a mission where you help Jacob/Miranda rescue the other, possibly leading to a Virmire. Don't want.
jtav wrote...
Don't want.
Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 02:53 .
Why those four? I get Miranda and Grunt, but Jacob and Jack? Not that I wouldn't want Jacob back, he's the second-used team member in my games, but I can't see him coming back as semi-permanent.jtav wrote...
As I said, I think we're down to four possibilities: Miranda, Jacob, Jack, and Grunt. And suddenly I'm envisioning a mission where you help Jacob/Miranda rescue the other, possibly leading to a Virmire. Don't want.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 octobre 2011 - 02:54 .
Ieldra2 wrote...
Why those four? I get Miranda and Grunt, but Jacob and Jack? Not that I wouldn't want Jacob back, he's the second-used team member in my games, but I can't see him coming back as semi-permanent.
Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 03:03 .
Still, provided the Devs wanted Miranda so badly, why she did not reciece full bullet-proof armor..? To appease the non-Miranda-fans..? Possible.
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