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[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Well, we know very little about them. Zaaeed and Kasumi are confirmed not to be on the squad, we've already seen Legion and Mordin extensively, and they seem to be temps. Thane just got confirmed as temp. Samara seems to have been thoroughly replaced by Liara, down to the outfit. But they've been quiet about the other four. I think Miranda and Jack are most likely. Vega is the exact same kind of Soldier as Grunt. Jacob is Jacob, but he is a LI and I don't want to dismiss him out of hand. They've talked up Jack a good bit, too.

I guess Jack is possible in the scenario where she and Miranda carry the Cerberus plot.

RE: Legion, we've seen him, but no real indication as to his status, as far as I know. And it's been mentioned he'll have a larger role than in ME2.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 03:09 .

[jtav]

Miranda has that plot armor so she can deliver her lines. It evaporates after that. But they may be willing to give her a meatier role because she's more likely to be alive.

[jtav]

flemm wrote...

RE: Legion, we've seen him, but no real indication as to his status, as far as I know. And it's been said he'll have a larger role than in ME2.

That's not hard. And it seems better marketing to showcase his return and squad status at once, rather than revealing him as a squad member months later.

[Xilizhra]

Samara seems to have been thoroughly replaced by Liara, down to the outfit.

The outfit? I thought Liara kept her LotSB white outfit.
Also, bah. I suppose no one could handle having two asari.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

That's not hard. And it seems better marketing to showcase his return and squad status at once, rather than revealing him as a squad member months later.

Well, he's not the type of character who's going to make a huge marketing splash. So I don't think that really means much.

[Skullheart]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
^ The Illusive Man never lied to Shepard other than the Turian distress signal. Even then it was arguably justifiable. He says exactly what he means it's up to you on how to interpret it.

It's people like you Xi, that make me not hate Cerberus.

what about Liara working for the SB?

You do not know that's a lie. Given the presence of a SB agent in Liara's office, that's an easy thing to be mistaken about.

We all know that is lie. After redemption TIM should know that there's no way that Liara is working for the SB.

[jtav]

Take a look at Liara's AA. Near dead ringer. She also has CC biotics like Samara did.

[nitefyre410]

jtav wrote...

Well, we know very little about them. Zaaeed and Kasumi are confirmed not to be on the squad, we've already seen Legion and Mordin extensively, and they seem to be temps. Thane just got confirmed as temp. Samara seems to have been thoroughly replaced by Liara, down to the outfit. But they've been quiet about the other four. I think Miranda and Jack are most likely. Vega is the exact same kind of Soldier as Grunt. Jacob is Jacob, but he is a LI and I don't want to dismiss him out of hand. They've talked up Jack a good bit, too.

 


Now see Bioware is going really tick me off - I pulled ever through the SM and followed the road map   and brought everyone back alive in one piece because I wanted to see how their stories play out. They  just need to put the characters in the game and people will used them if they want too or you make a  all the characters important to the story  and have them tie in to the end games.   Xenosage 3 did this marvelously they tied up  everything from 1 and 2 togther in 3.  

But all this talk of Who has plot armor and who doesn't is driving me kinda nuts. 

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

Take a look at Liara's AA. Near dead ringer. She also has CC biotics like Samara did.

Wait, what does AA mean in this context?

[jtav]

Alternate appearance. And I think it was always foolish to hope these team members would be equally important.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Alternate appearance. And I think it was always foolish to hope these team members would be equally important.

Sure, that was never realistic. That said, I'm sure they'll try very hard to make the temporary appearances awesome. Most character material in ME2 actually took place in a mission for two anyway. What will be missing is that sense of companionship throughout the main story of the game that you can get with squad members.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 04:12 .

[jtav]

Yeah. I'm going to take a wild guess that there's no Kepral's cure if Thane died, which is kind of important in galactic, if not, game terms. So where will Miranda fall? As always, that's the question.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
So where will Miranda fall? As always, that's the question.

Yep. Well, this info hasn't changed my view of that at all, as it conforms to my expectations. What it does tell us is how we might find out about Miranda's status as a temp if that does turn out to be her role. "She's only a temp, but don't worry, it will be awesome!" LoL. Like maybe when Yvonne is in the studio.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 04:16 .

[jtav]

Heh. I see two possible temp scenarios for Miranda. One: taking down some Cerberus base or other (Aria does most of the heavy lifting for the Cerberus plot) or Shep seeks him out when his implants start going nuts. Either is also compatible with a larger role. And they'll keep their mouths shut if it's the implants.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Heh. I see two possible temp scenarios for Miranda. One: taking down some Cerberus base or other (Aria does most of the heavy lifting for the Cerberus plot) or Shep seeks him out when his implants start going nuts. Either is also compatible with a larger role. And they'll keep their mouths shut if it's the implants.

Of the two you mention, I think a Cerberus-related temp appearance is the more likely, just because that is the character's most prominent allegiance. It would also be more likely to have an element of combat/action. Lazarus stuff (which I would love to see) is more likely to be a sort of secondary aspect of a longer appearance, I would think.

To the extent that she has a temp appearance, and they are trying to make it super awesome and satisfying (which they would), I guess that she would appear at the culmination of the Cerberus plot, to confront TIM, and the mission or two preceding that.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 04:59 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Heh. I see two possible temp scenarios for Miranda. One: taking down some Cerberus base or other (Aria does most of the heavy lifting for the Cerberus plot) or Shep seeks him out when his implants start going nuts. Either is also compatible with a larger role. And they'll keep their mouths shut if it's the implants.

Now you think Miranda will even be sidelined out of the Cerberus plot? You appear determined to post the most pessimistic interpretation of Miranda's role.

I'm still not convinced we'll get Aria on the team at all. And if we do, it'll be for Omega.

[flemm]

I'm sort of surprised to find myself in the role of sunny optimist, but the way I see it, right now there are a lot of missing pieces that Miranda fills: sentinel, 2nd human female, somebody to help drive the Cerberus plot, somebody to provide a little tension with the Alliance-heavy crew, somebody to represent ME2 on the squad, a "surprise" unannounced returning squad member, etc.

Is it possible that other characters, some that haven't been announced yet, fill all those roles? (Or maybe some of those roles aren't filled at all.) And Miranda only shows up for a mission or two? Yes, it is absolutely possible. But at a certain point, I think Occam's razor comes into play.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 05:03 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
Heh. I see two possible temp scenarios for Miranda. One: taking down some Cerberus base or other (Aria does most of the heavy lifting for the Cerberus plot) or Shep seeks him out when his implants start going nuts. Either is also compatible with a larger role. And they'll keep their mouths shut if it's the implants.

Of the two you mention, I think a Cerberus-related temp appearance is the more likely, just because that is the character's most prominent allegiance. It would also be more likely to have an element of combat/action. Lazarus stuff (which I would love to see) is more likely to be a sort of secondary aspect of a longer appearance, I would think.

To the extent that she has a temp appearance, and they are trying to make it super awesome and satisfying (which they would), I guess that she would appear at the culmination of the Cerberus plot, to confront TIM, and the mission or two preceding that.

That's what I think. Not just "some Cerberus base", but *the* Cerberus base. I fully expect we'll have her with us when - if - we attack TIM's space station.

And...hmm...I always wanted Miranda (and Shepard) to have that space station. Hopefully Shepard doesn't revert to his standard MO again and blow it up. 

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Heh. I see two possible temp scenarios for Miranda. One: taking down some Cerberus base or other (Aria does most of the heavy lifting for the Cerberus plot) or Shep seeks him out when his implants start going nuts. Either is also compatible with a larger role. And they'll keep their mouths shut if it's the implants.

Now you think Miranda will even be sidelined out of the Cerberus plot? You appear determined to post the most pessimistic interpretation of Miranda's role.

I'm still not convinced we'll get Aria on the team at all. And if we do, it'll be for Omega.

Not as such. More that Aria would take the "I want TIM's head on a pike" role if they decided Miranda was a temp and would do most of the anti-Cerberus stuff during the time Miranda was off-squad.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Not as such. More that Aria would take the "I want TIM's head on a pike" role if they decided Miranda was a temp and would do most of the anti-Cerberus stuff during the time Miranda was off-squad.

Regarding Aria, I guess the scenario Vertigo suggested, where basically you reclaim Omega for Aria, and get the support of her troops for the final battle in exchange, is pretty plausible.

But anyway, Miranda wouldn't fill the "I want his head on a pike" role. That would be Aria or Jack, along with just about everybody else, really. Because that's what everybody wants, pretty much. With Miranda, you have more conflict. She used to trust him, and even admire him. She may have resigned, but even then, I'm sure she would be shocked that he would betray humanity. (There's that word again.)

She's the only character who brings that perspective to the table re: TIM and Cerberus.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 05:33 .

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

As I said, I think we're down to four possibilities: Miranda, Jacob, Jack, and Grunt. And suddenly I'm envisioning a mission where you help Jacob/Miranda rescue the other, possibly leading to a Virmire. Don't want.

Eh, Jacob will always die in my playtrough in this case. I don't hat or dislike any squadmates, but Jacob is in the low part of my squadmate's list, while Miranda is 3rd along with Mordin. 

[JeffZero]

flemm wrote...

I'm sort of surprised to find myself in the role of sunny optimist, but the way I see it, right now there are a lot of missing pieces that Miranda fills: sentinel, 2nd human female, somebody to help drive the Cerberus plot, somebody to provide a little tension with the Alliance-heavy crew, somebody to represent ME2 on the squad, a "surprise" unannounced returning squad member, etc.

Is it possible that other characters, some that haven't been announced yet, fill all those roles? (Or maybe some of those roles aren't filled at all.) And Miranda only shows up for a mission or two? Yes, it is absolutely possible. But at a certain point, I think Occam's razor comes into play.

For what it's worth, I feel exactly the same. And I'm not typically one to be the sunny optimist in matters such as these either.

[UserForFun]

Completely irrelevant and random; Why every time I picture Miranda she's accompanied by that old song Round and Round by BodyRockers.

[jtav]

My main issue is whether they;d let us go without a new human female to balance Vega, since I'd think three humans is pretty much the upper limit.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

My main issue is whether they;d let us go without a new human female to balance Vega, since I'd think three humans is pretty much the upper limit.

Well, we'll find out soon enough. However, normally you would meet such a character early on, as in Kaidan/Ashley, or Miranda/Jacob. In ME3, it appears to be Vega/VS (usually Ashley). So, at that point, meta-gaming on the subject is pretty much moot, I think. For a human female you meet a bit later in the story, Miranda absolutely works, and brings more to the table than a new character likely would at that point (due to past history/Cerberus connections/Yvonne as VA).

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 05:53 .