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[jtav]

I'm incapable of optimism. It comes with the depression. But let's metagame in a positive direction. Assuming I save the VS if the opposite gender/VS is bi and Miranda is perma squad, my past and present romanceables work out like this.

For men:
VS
Miranda
Tali
Liara

For women:
VS
Vega (I'll eat my hat if he isn't)
Garrus
Liara

So, it works out by the numbers if you don't mind men having no new options.

Modifié par jtav, 08 octobre 2011 - 05:59 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I'm incapable of optimism. It comes with the depression. But let's metagame in a positive direction. Assuming I save the VS if the opposite gender/VS is bi and Miranda is perma squad, my past and present romanceables work out like this.

*snip*

Right, basically, if we try to put ourselves in the developers' perspective, just as a light-hearted exercise in speculation, one issue you would have going into ME3 is that a high percentage of the popular/likely-returning characters are women. You have just had more success in this area. (Granted, you screwed yourself a bit with Wrex, but he's not a LI anyway.)

The VS pretty much takes care of itself. (You are going to try hard to make Kaidan work this time around.) And you have Garrus. But you really need a hunka hunka burnin' manlove for the ladies, and you're going to put a lot of effort into making it work this time... He'll be the anti-Jacob, with a very cool VA, and so you end up with... Vega.

The "no new options" thing is not a huge deal, since returning players want their favorites to be there, and everyone is new for new players. But you are also going to have some romances off-squad to provide additional options.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 06:15 .

[jtav]

And boy do I have some thoughts there. The really great female characters are why I keep playing MShep. Miranda does things. Onscreen even. She has plot hooks. An arc.

[The Elder King]

Vega could fill the role of Liara, as the s/s option, if they're not going to put anymore s/s option in the game.
Though I remember something about a Vigilante female character. Maybe she'll be the new female squadmate.

[flemm]

hhh89 wrote...
Though I remember something about a Vigilante female character. Maybe she'll be the new female squadmate.

This fan specualtion earlier this year was apparently due to Emily Hopkins putting a credit on her website (Mass Effect 3, Vigilante, supporting). Her specialty is stunts, and she seems to have participated in the live action trailer. So, red-herring, basically. Or so it would seem.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 06:23 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Vega (I'll eat my hat if he isn't)

You have a hat? Very surprising

So, it works out by the numbers if you don't mind men having no new options.

Men don't need a new option. The women are all fairly popular and I haven't heard anyone complaining that a maleShep couldn't find a fitting LI.

However, I've heard that complaint about femShep's possible LIs, and especially the human LIs didn't fare so well outside their dedicated fanbase. So it makes sense there'll be a new human male LI but no new human female. No idea if Bioware sees things the same way, though.

@flemm:
I wouldn't discount this as a red herring yet, though I hope that it is. I wouldn't mind such a character as a DLC character, but not more than that. Anyway, the more time passes, the higher the probability there will be no new characters on the core team apart from Vega. If we don't see anything in the Oct 25 article, MIranda's chances are good....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 octobre 2011 - 06:29 .

[jtav]

And one issue you'd run into with these returning romanceables is making them accessible to new players without writing a ton of extra content. Miranda is much easier to pull this off with because of one of the very things I complained about: the emphasis on the physical. No that there's no possibility of deep feeling, but a lot of the romance is the question of whether to act on attraction. And a Miranda who survives is going to think highly of Shep regardless. So the deeper feelings could develop at the same time for both sets, with only minor changes.

[The Elder King]

flemm wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
Though I remember something about a Vigilante female character. Maybe she'll be the new female squadmate.

This fan specualtion earlier this year was apparently due to Emily Hopkins putting a credit on her website (Mass Effect 3, Vigilante, supporting). Her specialty is stunts, and she seems to have participated in the live action trailer. So, red-herring, basically. Or so it would seem.

Thanks for the clarification.
I hope that if they're going to announce a new permanent female squadmate, they'll do it soon. I usually don't like to know those type of things earlier (like they did with ME2) but they already announced Vega, and we know all the other squadmates. Hiding doesn't mean much.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@flemm:
I wouldn't discount this as a red herring yet, though I hope that it is. I wouldn't mind such a character as a DLC character, but not more than that. Anyway, the more time passes, the higher the probability there will be no new characters on the core team apart from Vega. If we don't see anything in the Oct 25 article, MIranda's chances are good....

/sourpuss The squad reveal trailers for ME2 started about 6-8 weeks before the game. Anders was announced in January. But new human (if she exists) should come soon. Though Liara seems to have taken the poster girl role. Though I fully expect more newbies for alien squaddies.

Modifié par jtav, 08 octobre 2011 - 06:35 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@flemm:
I wouldn't discount this as a red herring yet, though I hope that it is. I wouldn't mind such a character as a DLC character, but not more than that. Anyway, the more time passes, the higher the probability there will be no new characters on the core team apart from Vega. If we don't see anything in the Oct 25 article, MIranda's chances are good....

Well, a new human female squad member is certainly not something you are going to hide prior to release of the game. She would be sexy, and likely have at least a fairly prominent VA. For a while, maybe, and I wouldn't rule anything out yet in that area. But I agree with you on the whole.

The likelihood of Emily Hopkins voicing a character like that is extremely low, I think. She's not an experienced VA, or a prominent actress, and the credit being placed casually on her website doesn't make sense either.

Whatever, anything is possible. But rationally speaking, that whole thing was probably just fan over-speculation.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 06:39 .

[jtav]

Again, though, I think it would mean a partial romance reset. Her being available only on import won't go over well.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Again, though, I think it would mean a partial romance reset. Her being available only on import won't go over well.

You mean Miranda? This really gets down to one of the most fundamental design questions regarding ME3. Are "might be dead characters" there by default in new games, or dead by default?

I think they will have to be alive by default for the most part. This is supported by the stat that only 13% of squad members or so die in the SM. The game would adjust to imported games by subtraction, not by addition.

I think this would almost have to be the case, or really you'd be designing two games at once, with a huge amount of content for imported games only.

With Yvonne as face model and VA, it seems especially unlikely that they would pay her for a role that only appears in imports. (Of course, she is not confirmed. But she seems likely.)

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 07:09 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Again, though, I think it would mean a partial romance reset. Her being available only on import won't go over well.

No, but it's not that hard to write some different content for Miranda depending on whether or not you romanced her before. Also, ME3 will have the prologue where you can detail what you did in the earlier games if you don't import. I'd be very surprised if that didn't include selecting your LI for ME1 and ME2.

@flemm:
I believe you will be able to choose if they live.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 octobre 2011 - 07:09 .

[jtav]

Actually I meant as a romance. If she's full squad, she'll be available for new romances. I always assumed she'd be alive by default. And, Ieldra, no prologue. It's on twitter somewhere.

I expect new vs. imported romance to make about as much difference as friend/rival.

Modifié par jtav, 08 octobre 2011 - 07:11 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Actually I meant as a romance. If she's full squad, she'll be available for new romances. I always assumed she'd be alive by default.

Yeah, ok. Well, that's not a big deal, I don't think. It just means a few additional dialogue options in imported games.

This will be there for all of the imported LIs, I would think, in some form.

Ieldra2 wrote...

@flemm:
I believe you will be able to choose if they live.

You mean via an interactive comic or prologue? I would have expected this to focus more on choices like the Rachni queen or the CB. Choices like "who do you use as fire team leader?" would be pretty meaningless to new players. But you never know, I guess.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 07:16 .

[jtav]

Yeah, I'm just wondering what shiny new romance will look like.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Yeah, I'm just wondering what shiny new romance will look like.

I don't know. But if Miranda is in the game for a significant appearance, it will definitely be there, as you say. It would be cool. And I hope available for s/s, for all of our friends who would enjoy that. (And for my femshep, as a sort of bonus.)

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 07:25 .

[Dr. Doctor]

I'm curious to see if there's going to be an option to start a romance with an LI in ME3. Mostly because it would give me the option to have a Shepard choose the "Damnit you're right" in ME2 and then romance Miranda in ME3. Of course I'd have to see how they continue the romance arc from ME2.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
And, Ieldra, no prologue. It's on twitter somewhere.

Really? I thought that was a confirmed feature

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Really? I thought that was a confirmed feature

I remember reading about an interactive comic sort of thing. But this would likely be DLC, right? They've created all this content to complete the stories of "might be dead characters," I sort of doubt they'd want to create a situation where new players might choose to kill a lot of them, and deprive themselves of some of the best content, before ever having met them. Just seems unlikely.

After the fact, a comic available in DLC would allow players to experience all the permutations without necessarily purchasing the earlier games.

The trial at the beginning of ME3 apparently presents players with some choices, like the conversation with Miranda and Jacob early in ME2. But that would more likely be big stuff, like Rachni, Virmire and the CB. Covering things like loyalty missions and all the possible outcomes of the SM would take forever and be really impractical at the beginning of the game itself.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 07:52 .

[jtav]

No comic for ME3

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

No comic for ME3

Hmmm, there's a reference to "previously on Mass Effect" videos that I don't really understand. But basically he says that choices provided in a comic like that don't mean much to new players. And I think that's true.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 08:17 .

[Ieldra]

So that means there'll be a default setup. I wonder if anyone will be dead in it. A perfect outcome of the SM sounds a bit boring, but any forced death means new players are locked out of meeting the dead character.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

So that means there'll be a default setup. I wonder if anyone will be dead in it. A perfect outcome of the SM sounds a bit boring, but any forced death means new players are locked out of meeting the dead character.

Given that apparently only %13 percent of squaddies die on the SM, I would think this would be the default option for reasons of economy also: new players get to see all of the best content, and meet all of the characters, while imported games only miss a small percentage of it on average. Players who intentionally decimate their squad get a more bleak galactic picture, which makes sense anyway.

There might be an exception or two, but I would think that this would be the general rule.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 08:27 .

[xelander]

So it looks like there will be default canon for the newcomers. That would work well; it's more interesting what they will do with the highly deviating imports - like a barebones playthrough with almost everyone dead (or Ieldra's "kill Miranda and everyone but Zaeed and then off him too after the SM" crazy situation). Will they solve it a la Wrex on Tuchanka (alive vs dead)...?

If that 13% is true, that's about one and a half squadmate dead:whistle: So they might off one or two by default, but I wonder who it will be. Jack is one of the first to die, but she is being hyped up atm, so it probably won't be her...

Modifié par xelander, 08 octobre 2011 - 08:32 .