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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...


I guess I don't need to tell you that it would be a bad idea to kill Miranda...

Of  course. Why would anyone kill off their LI?

[Vertigo_1]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...


I guess I don't need to tell you that it would be a bad idea to kill Miranda...

Of  course. Why would anyone kill off their LI?

Funny enough once you romance Miranda she can't die at all in ME2

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...


I guess I don't need to tell you that it would be a bad idea to kill Miranda...

Of  course. Why would anyone kill off their LI?

I tried just to see if I could play an heartbroken Shepard in ME3. Turns out it's impossible.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...


I guess I don't need to tell you that it would be a bad idea to kill Miranda...

Of  course. Why would anyone kill off their LI?

Funny enough once you romance Miranda she can't die at all in ME2

It's bad enough that there are people out there who enjoy killing Miri.

[goofyomnivore]

About her resigning:

I don't mind it. It does seem a little "rushed" on her switching sides so soon, but if you do keep the base she seems worried. I don't know maybe the writers were trying to be blunt with her "changing", but those two dialogues seemed kind of odd, considering her reputation and character. Maybe she knows more about TIM's plan than she leads on, and that is why she quits or seems worried.

The thing I don't get; why would TIM order Miranda to stop Shepard. You're basically ordering Miranda to commit suicide. Do you think she is stupid enough to follow that order? Maybe that pissed her off and she quit. IDK.

Modifié par strive, 22 juin 2011 - 11:32 .

[jtav]

Would it surprise you to learn I'm a base destroyer? I know exactly what kind of story I'm in. As for survivors, I've had a pretty decent mix. I think everyone has survived or died at least once, Miranda included.

[Ieldra]

Everyone dislikes someone. Actually I think we've gone a long way since the early days of ME2 with all the rabid Miranda haters out in force.

[jtav]

I don't enjoy killing her. Just want to see what happens and have peace of mind if thing go badly.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Would it surprise you to learn I'm a base destroyer? I know exactly what kind of story I'm in. As for survivors, I've had a pretty decent mix. I think everyone has survived or died at least once, Miranda included.

A little yes
But I have a feeling that decision won't impact the game all that much; just like saving/not saving the council in ME1
It didn't impact the game all that much aside from the comments NPCs made

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 22 juin 2011 - 11:36 .

[alperez]

If i thought they'd actually write a heartbroken Shepard who because he lost his Li actually showed emotions and it affected his character profoundly i would have probably had at least one playthrough to see how it worked out.

But considering its barely mentioned in me2 if you romanced the VS and they died it kinda makes me think it'd be handled badly.

[alperez]

Vertigo_1 wrote...



A little yes
But I have a feeling that decision won't impact the game all that much; just like saving/not saving the council in ME1
It didn't impact the game all that much aside from the comments NPCs made

I unfortunately agree with you, besides cerberus get their hands on the base anyway in the books if i remember correcty the still manage to do something with either or destroyed or intact base.

[Ieldra]

strive wrote...
About her resigning:

I don't mind it. It does seem a little "rushed" on her switching sides so soon, but if you do keep the base she seems worried. I don't know maybe the writers were trying to be blunt with her "changing", but those two dialogues seemed kind of odd, considering her reputation and character. Maybe she knows more about TIM's plan than she leads on, and that is why she quits or seems worried.

I think the writing problem was the need to accomodate the players' Paragon and the Renegade paths. Miranda has an ambiguous place on that scale, as she is ambiguous in other aspects, so she could be expected to attract players who prefer either side. Which is of course what happened. They didn't want to push Miranda to one side, but they didn't manage to give her a convincing mix of attitudes that merged into a convincing whole. Thus the conflicting lines, with Miranda saying she wished Cerberus had recruited Shepard sooner, and that - in the worst case - about half a play-hour before she quits.  

The thing I don't get; why would TIM order Miranda to stop Shepard. You're basically ordering Miranda to commit suicide. Do you think she is stupid enough to follow that order? Maybe that pissed her off and she quit. IDK.

Yes, that's what I've been saying for some time. Her resigning was not taking a stance against Cerberus, but the only decision that ensured her survival. In any one game, easy to rationalize since I always take the middle option in the first exchange with TIM and so never get any team member comments about the base.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Does anyone feel like it's their fault for casualties. I want to know because I do not want to feel like I point and stab the ones who should die. All  I want to do is make the story more dramatic.

I don't want to end up saying to myself, "Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.":unsure:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 juin 2011 - 11:47 .

[Vertigo_1]

Shadow Broker mentions this if you destroy the base:
"Fortunately the Normandy IFF will let me salvage the remains of the Collector base"

That leads me to believe Cerberus might attempt the same thing

[Repearized Miranda]

alperez wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

alperez wrote...

Yannkee which one do you think you'll play first, one with or without casulties?.

I haven't decided yet.
Certainly my canon Shepard (with Jack and Zaeed dead)

Why does everyone kill Jack lol.

For me its a no casulty start point then replay with different choices.

Well, if your renegade bar isn't full, if you don't do her LM, or if you don't upgrade accordingly. Then again, it could have alot to do with her attitude. She hates Cerberus and automically hates Miranda (She was quite indifferent with Jacob)

Jacob's a guy who's unsure of himself (paaphased) while "Miranda's a Cerberus ****" which she (Jack) "knew before she (Miranda) opened her mouth!" Note her constant referral to Miri as "the cheerleader". This whole "I hate Miri/Shepard" because of Cerberus isn't to subtantial (Ashley/Kaidan/The Council/Jack, etc) - not saying it's without good reason; however, one person (Miranda) does not an organization make. Notice how nobody insults Jacob! If they should spout off at anyone, it's TIM, but apparently - ONLY Miri and Shepard have the fortitude to do it!

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 22 juin 2011 - 11:53 .

[jtav]

I think so. And they always have Reaper tech in Retribution. Heh, Miranda's status might be the only thing that changes.

I wonder what happens if she dies?

[alperez]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Does anyone feel like it's their fault for casualties. I want to know because I do not want to feel like I point and stab the ones who should die. All  I want to do is make the story more dramatic.

I don't want to end up saying to myself, "Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.":unsure:

It depends how you roleplay, for me yes i'm responsible espeically consdering its easy for everyone to survive. There aren't really any reasons why you would let anyone die on your squad if its avoidable or if by doing what it takes for people to survive your infact causing others to die in their place.

Your told what you need to do with the me2 squad and your ship, you then have to pick the logical choices to make sure everyone survives, if you don't do it then imo your responsible for their deaths and you accept that responsibility and move on.

That's not to say i'm right and everyone else is wrong or that because you let someone die then your at fault, its just my own personal opinion.

[Ieldra]

alperez wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
But I have a feeling that decision won't impact the game all that much; just like saving/not saving the council in ME1
It didn't impact the game all that much aside from the comments NPCs made

I unfortunately agree with you, besides cerberus get their hands on the base anyway in the books if i remember correcty the still manage to do something with either or destroyed or intact base.

I wouldn't mind that at all. If the endgame decision in ME2 was more to show your Shepard's attitude to things than one with epic consequences I could live with that very well. Would I not fear getting shafted for taking a "canonically wrong" decision in ME3, I'd never have made such a hubbub about this.

@jtav:
Of course I knew

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I wonder what happens if she dies?

You lose.

Just kidding. It's possible her death has the biggest impact of any team member's, since she'll be alive in almost all games. But as much as I'd wish that, they won't go that far.

[Melra]

I always kill Jack, if not accidentally, then on purpose. She doesn't get along with my Shepard's XO and she doesn't get along with my Shepard, she gets to go. I even uploaded a video about it, when Miri fails with the barrier and Jack takes a little flight with the swarm. Mhm.. She's just a character, that usually raises strong feelings. She disgusts me personally.

I am not personally sure which playthrough I pick for ME3, if I happen to buy it. Probably my 12th or the one I am about to start 14th. With two casualties: Jack & Tali. Most likely won't be using my ''everyone survives'' playthroughs anytime soon.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I wonder why no one else is worried about having a canon that has casualties to be imported to ME3?

It's as if death will not make that much of an impact in ME3.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 juin 2011 - 11:59 .

[Melra]

Why would they? The reason people enjoy these choices, is that they have an impact and make it feel personal.

[alperez]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

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Well, if your renegade bar isn't full, if you don't do her LM, or if you don't upgrade accordingly. Then again, it could have alot to do with her attitude. She hates Cerberus and automically hates Miranda (She was quite indifferent with Jacob)

Jacob's a guy who's unsure of himself (paaphased) while "Miranda's a Cerberus ****" which she (Jack) "knew before she (Miranda) opened her mouth!" Note her constant referral to Miri as "the cheerleader". This whole "I hate Miri/Shepard" because of Cerberus (Ashley/Kaidan/The Council/Jack, etc) - not saying it's without good reason; however, one person (Miranda) does not an organization make. Notice how nobody insults Jacob! If they should spout off at anyone, it's TIM, but apparently - ONLY Miri and Shepard have the fortitude to do it!

Miranda is more in a position of authority than Jacob though and seems much more in tune with Cerberus wheras Jacob questions them from the get go, plus apart from Shepard no one gets the chance to say anything to TIM.

Jack has every right to hate Cerberus, Miranda is the closest representation of Cerberus and then we have Biowares unyeilding adherence to potential LI one not liking potential LI two (see Ash/liara in me1).

[jtav]

Most killed: probably Jacob. Not because I dislike him, but because being directly responsible for his death makes for a good emotional scar for Miranda. Jack I rather like and I hope she and Miranda can bury the hatchet in ME3.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Melrache wrote...

Why would they? The reason people enjoy these choices, is that they have an impact and make it feel personal.

I personally would like to make my story feel more dramatic. A little darker.

Every second chapter of a trilogy was always dark Ex: The Empire Strikes back (even though there were no deaths)

Anyway....I wan't to make it so that it's like a type of trilogy where the second part is darker (with casualties) and then the third will be the resulution.

As a simple civilian wanting to be a director and make a trilogy someday, I want to make my experience of ME to be more dramatic. 

I just hope that I still get a good ending, and that Miri AND I do NOT die.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 juin 2011 - 12:04 .