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[Ieldra]

Two more pictures:

On the SM:


Another variant of the Reaper IFF picture I posted two days ago:

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 octobre 2011 - 08:29 .

[jtav]

I think any characters who are recruitable full time, as well as any necessary for a best ending to major plots will survive. So maybe Miranda, Mordin, Legion, Tali, and Garrus for a nice 50%

[jtav]

Pics of my own. First Normandy conversation

[flemm]

xelander wrote...
Will they solve it a la Wrex on Tuchanka (alive vs dead)...?

It's an interesting question. I suppose some missions might just disappear, if they are sufficiently unimportant to the plot.

More often, I think options would disappear: like, if Tali and Legion are dead, you can still do the Geth/Quarian missions, but you have fewer options and less support.

On other occasions, you might be able to accomplish the same basic goal, but you just have less support. Like Samara is there for a couple of missions, and gives you a lot of support. If she's not there, you just do the same thing, but without her support, and with fewer/different dialogue and story elements. (This would be most similar to the Wrex/Tuchanka situation.)

But it's one of the design features I'm most curious about.

EDIT: Sweet pics. Love that top one especially.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 08:39 .

[Ieldra]

xelander wrote...
So it looks like there will be default canon for the newcomers. That would work well; it's more interesting what they will do with the highly deviating imports - like a barebones playthrough with almost everyone dead (or Ieldra's "kill Miranda and everyone but Zaeed and then off him too after the SM" crazy situation). Will they solve it a la Wrex on Tuchanka (alive vs dead)...?

Hey, I kept Zaeed. Also Tali, Mordin and Jacob survived. The point of that playthrough was making Miranda hold the line alone. And btw, I also got the unprecedented event of someone else than Miranda pulling Shepard up into the Normandy.

My worst playthrough is worse: Only Miranda, Jacob and Jack survived, and there were plenty of deaths besides that. May Shepard may look like an oriental flower, but she's rather Renegade.

[xelander]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Hey, I kept Zaeed. Also Tali, Mordin and Jacob survived. The point of that playthrough was making Miranda hold the line alone. And btw, I also got the unprecedented event of someone else than Miranda pulling Shepard up into the Normandy.

My worst playthrough is worse: Only Miranda, Jacob and Jack survived, and there were plenty of deaths besides that. May Shepard may look like an oriental flower, but she's rather Renegade.

Sorry, I must be mixing up things in my head. Reality check - is it possible to kill Miranda without killing Shepard?

[jtav]

Okay, in an act of either heroic optimism or stupidity, I won't romance Ms. Lawson and hope something comes of "Damn it--you're right."

@xelander: She can be your ownly casualty. Take her to the final boss unloyal.

Modifié par jtav, 08 octobre 2011 - 08:43 .

[Ieldra]

Nice pictures, jtav. I must try that some time. Right now I'm a little burned out on ME2, which I think is excusable after about 15 playthroughs. In the last run I backspaced through half of all conversations and got so thoroughly fed up with the bypass minigame that I botched three locks. But then, my heart wasn't in this playthrough.

[Ieldra]

xelander wrote...
Sorry, I must be mixing up things in my head. Reality check - is it possible to kill Miranda without killing Shepard?

Yes. Lose her loyalty and take her with you to the final boss. She can also die holding the line if she's not loyal under specific circumstances.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 octobre 2011 - 08:44 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I think any characters who are recruitable full time, as well as any necessary for a best ending to major plots will survive. So maybe Miranda, Mordin, Legion, Tali, and Garrus for a nice 50%

However, think about it like this... You've developed this great mission to say goodbye to Thane. It's so awesome that you think even fans of the character will be satisfied by how great it is. It's unlikely, for practical reasons, that the substitute content will be as cool, if it is even there.

Why would you hide this from new players? Just strikes me as unlikely. It's ok if the substitute content for imports is less cool, because those players have either chosen to kill Thane, or not cared enough about his survival to ensure that he is present in their import.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 08:48 .

[jtav]

Because new players aren't going to care about Kepral's, nor is it likely to affect the main plot. You do want to reward importers a bit and encourage people to buy the old game.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Because new players aren't going to care about Kepral's, nor is it likely to affect the main plot. You do want to reward importers a bit and encourage people to buy the old game.

This would have to be the exception, though, rather than the rule. I mean, let's say that Jack, Jacob, Thane, Samara and Grunt all have awesome missions with less cool substitutes. At a certain point, you're intentionally designing a much less awesome game for the players you most need to hook on your game (returning players are already interested). Not really a feasible option, I wouldn't think.

There's a big difference between this and, for example, Conrad Verner not being there (just an easter egg), or even Wrex being replaced by a less friendly NPC (nothing really changes).

Edit: clarity/spelling.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 09:00 .

[xelander]

@ Ieldra, jtav
Thanks.

OK, so that's what I'm talking about - a barebones playthrough with almost everyone dead, or with someone central to the main story / major plot arc, like Miranda (*cross fingers*). - I wonder how will the writers work around that.

I hope it won't be as with Wrex's flag from ME1, I'd rather experience some dire consequences, e.g. Mordin dead - no genophage cure.

[xelander]

flemm wrote...

This would have to be the exception, though, rather than the rule. I mean, let's say that Jack, Thane, Samara and Grunt all have awesome missions with less cool substitutes. At a certain point, you're intentionally designing a much less awesome game for the players you most need to hook on your game (returning players are already interested). Not really a feasible option, I wouldn't think.

There's a big difference between this and, for example, Conrad Verner not being there (just an easter egg), or even Wrex being replaced by a less friendly NPC (nothing really changes).

Edit: clarity/spelling.

No, that (less cool substitutes) might happen with imports, I suspect the default canon will be with no one, or one or two dead in the SM. In terms of story involvement the most expendable ones are Jack, Jacob, Thane and Zaeed, but as I said, Jack's being hyped up and Thane and Jacob are LI, so a cameo is at least on the table. Almost all will be alive and kicking in the default canon, BW won't shoot themselves in the foot.

EDIT: Regarding the LIs, scratch that, Kaidan is the default "almost LI", so they are fair game.

Modifié par xelander, 08 octobre 2011 - 09:08 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nice pictures, jtav. I must try that some time. Right now I'm a little burned out on ME2, which I think is excusable after about 15 playthroughs. In the last run I backspaced through half of all conversations and got so thoroughly fed up with the bypass minigame that I botched three locks. But then, my heart wasn't in this playthrough.

I'm actually not playing the game at all currently. I have three playthroughs, did them all over the summer. Too busy right now, and would probably be giving the game a break anyway around this time. Probably I will start a new playthrough from the beginning of ME1 sometime over winter break and just continue through into ME3 when it is released.

I hope to have enough info about Miranda's role by then to be super-psyched for ME3. But anyway, that's how I expect to handle it.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 09:46 .

[jtav]

So I am a fool, or an optimistic romantic for not romancing her?

Of course in any romantic movie worth it's salt, she would have shown up at your door pre-SM, deciding that she couldn't wait after all.

[Shotokanguy]

The texturing in those screenshots is nasty. Damn. I wish the console version looked like that. I could probably run it on PC, since I bought a beefy video card recently, but I've spent plenty of money lately too...some of which was on a new 46 inch HDTV, so I'll just stick to the 360 I guess.

[flemm]

Shotokanguy wrote...

The texturing in those screenshots is nasty. Damn. I wish the console version looked like that. I could probably run it on PC, since I bought a beefy video card recently, but I've spent plenty of money lately too...some of which was on a new 46 inch HDTV, so I'll just stick to the 360 I guess.

Yeah, they really look great. I play on the PC, but I don't have the mod, or whatever it is that provides those textures.

jtav wrote...

So I am a fool, or an optimistic romantic for not romancing her?

Maybe a little of both?

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 10:10 .

[jtav]

It's in the OP.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

It's in the OP.

Thanks. I just meant that I haven't downloaded it, though. I actually saw it there at some point. My PC is nothing special in the graphics department, so I'm not sure how much I would really benefit anyway.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 10:15 .

[Dariansarr]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

It's in the OP.

Thanks. I just meant that I haven't downloaded it, though. I actually saw it there at some point. My PC is nothing special in the graphics department, so I'm not sure how much I would really benefit anyway.

Same here, thats probably the reason why i'm not a PC gamer..

[jtav]

So, if flemm's right, task #1 of the artists will be differentiating her from Ash while keeping her recognizable. Thoughts?

[Dariansarr]

jtav wrote...

So, if flemm's right, task #1 of the artists will be differentiating her from Ash while keeping her recognizable. Thoughts?

 
Easiest way?: Change hair colour of one of them, but somehow a little voice in my head tells me that wouldn't go good with the fans.

[jtav]

Or the engine. It's much easier to make dark hair look good. I expect the outfit will change quite a bit. Different style, though I still think black and/or white will be the dominant clor scheme.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Thoughts?

Well, I don't think it's a huge issue to begin with, tbh. The change in Ashley's look is mostly so she can keep up with either Miranda or the new girl in the sexiness department, I would think.
 
But a change in Miranda's look is also possible. It would be the most interesting choice, i.e. mess with the presentation of both characters. Since Miranda's appearance has always been a bit of a controversial aspect of the character, I think it's fairly plausible that something surprising might be done here. What, exactly? I dunno. It would depend on what has happened to her between ME2 and ME3, what trouble she's in, why she's not "ok," etc.

This story twist would probably pre-date Ashley's re-design, conceptually.

Modifié par flemm, 08 octobre 2011 - 10:56 .