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[jtav]

I think if she works against Shepard at all, it'll be to save Oriana. The foreshadowing is there. Though I would be...less than thrilled with that. I'd prefer her thinking Shep is a danger, attempting to clean up her mess, and figuring out TIM didn't tell her the whole story mid-fight.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I think if she works against Shepard at all, it'll be to save Oriana. The foreshadowing is there. Though I would be...less than thrilled with that. I'd prefer her thinking Shep is a danger, attempting to clean up her mess, and figuring out TIM didn't tell her the whole story mid-fight.

Well, both are possible. Though both strike me as perhaps a little convoluted because they are dependant on backstory the player wouldn't/might not actually see.

If we do have to fight her initially, I would think it might be closer to the scenario we were discussing earlier, where she's been captured by Cerberus and they have implanted her with tech to ensure her obedience. So, the boss fight is you have to deactivate/neutralize whatever is controlling her. Something like that.

Modifié par flemm, 10 octobre 2011 - 01:32 .

[Eyeshield21]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
If Miranda is willing to die to prevent Cerberus' annihilation...

...then you'll end up without her. I, however, will not. And so will anyone who isn't quite as one-sided. Which I'd find appropriate. I, for one, would never sanction the killing of the SR2's crew if they survived the SM, nor the destruction of Cerberus data and material resources. I'd be with Miranda on that, and if Ashley doesn't agree she can go to hell. 

As for the Alliance infiltrated with Cerberus, you can see it the other way round: I would be not at all surprised if there was significant support for Cerberus within the ranks of the Alliance. Before ME3, anyway.

yeah, some people from the Alliance gave a ****load of money to Cerberus, I'm guessing to get some colonies and fund questionable research projects(but they were, at least by the events of ME1, 2 and probably 3 their experiments came to light)

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 10 octobre 2011 - 01:34 .

[jtav]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think if she works against Shepard at all, it'll be to save Oriana. The foreshadowing is there. Though I would be...less than thrilled with that. I'd prefer her thinking Shep is a danger, attempting to clean up her mess, and figuring out TIM didn't tell her the whole story mid-fight.

Well, both are possible. Though both strike me as perhaps a little convoluted because they are dependant on backstory the player wouldn't/might not actually see.

If we do have to fight her initially, I would think it might be closer to the scenario we were discussing earlier, where she's been captured by Cerberus and they have implanted her with tech to ensure her obedience. So, the boss fight is you have to deactivate/neutralize whatever is controlling her. Something like that.

Please no. It would be de facto indoctrination, and indoctrination cannot be countered or neutralized. And all my Oriana scenario takes is one remorseful line about how they threatened Oriana and she had no choice. Putting Shep down because of his implants equires more exposition but it's exposition you'd need if Shepard were in danger of becoming Saren anyway.

[Dr. Doctor]

Miranda as persona non grata aboard the Normandy? Color me interestd.

Captain's Cabin

Shepard: Miranda, are you playing chess against yourself?

Miranda: I need something to do inbetween missions. Your Spectre friend and her muscle-bound counterpart are convinced that I'm going to sell out the crew any day now, so I can't access any of the ship's systems. And you're only in command of the ship as long as your handlers agree with your decisions. 

Shepard: (sits down on the couch) I'm sorry, I should have never-

Miranda: Enough of the pity! I came here because I chose to. Not simply because you asked,  if I thought that coming back was a mistake I wouldn't have done it! 

Shepard: I can't stand to see you treated like this.

Miranda: I'm not made of glass Shepard, I've been in worse spots than this. Right now my frustrations aren't what's important, defeating the Reapers is.  Do you understand me?

Shepard: Yes m'am.

Miranda: Good. (kisses Shepard on the cheek) 

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 10 octobre 2011 - 01:43 .

[Eyeshield21]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Miranda as persona non grata aboard the Normandy? Color me interestd.

Captain's Cabin

Shepard: Miranda, are you playing chess against yourself?

Miranda: I need something to do inbetween missions. Your Spectre friend and her muscle-bound counterpart are convinced that I'm going to sell out the crew any day now, so I can't access any of the ship's systems. And you're only in command of the ship as long as your handlers agree with your decisions. 

Shepard: (sits down on the couch) I'm sorry, I should have never-

Miranda: Enough of the pity! I came here because I chose to. Not simply because you asked,  if I thought that coming back was a mistake I wouldn't have done it! 

Shepard: I can't stand to see you treated like this.

Miranda: I'm not made of glass Shepard, I've been in worse spots than this. Right now my frustrations aren't what's important, defeating the Reapers is.  Do you understand me?

Shepard: Yes m'am.

Miranda: Good. (kisses Shepard on the cheek) 

BW better be reading this, nice story btw.
I hope to God something like this happens in ME3.

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 10 octobre 2011 - 01:46 .

[jtav]

Doctor, I would love something like that.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Please no. It would be de facto indoctrination, and indoctrination cannot be countered or neutralized. And all my Oriana scenario takes is one remorseful line about how they threatened Oriana and she had no choice. Putting Shep down because of his implants equires more exposition but it's exposition you'd need if Shepard were in danger of becoming Saren anyway.

Please understand, my rampant speculation must know no bounds, no remorse, no pity... 

I'm sceptical of the Oriana thing because it's so unfriendly to new players. At that point it becomes: "remember my sister you never met, on that mission you never did? Well, they threatened to kill her..." It's just not a good way of introducing the character, I don't think. The scene would have to work as both an introduction and a re-introduction.

The concept where Miranda goes after Shepard because she thinks he's an indoctrination risk is stronger, I think, definitely. I like the idea... But, to the extent that Casey Hudson's notorious tweet means anything, it seems like Miranda herself is in some kind of trouble.

jtav wrote...

Doctor, I would love something like that.

Agreed. Awesome stuff, Double Doctor/Dialogue Master.

Modifié par flemm, 10 octobre 2011 - 01:56 .

[Eyeshield21]

I stop going to the site to see what happens and come back and see this thread doesn't go to hell, it goes for 11 more pages....
I'm proud of you guys......
Miri FTW!

[nitefyre410]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

I stop going to the site to see what happens and come back and see this thread doesn't go to hell, it goes for 11 more pages....
I'm proud of you guys......
Miri FTW!

 

yes yes - now ill be steal your Lieana  banner now.. thanks .. bye 

[Eyeshield21]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...

I stop going to the site to see what happens and come back and see this thread doesn't go to hell, it goes for 11 more pages....
I'm proud of you guys......
Miri FTW!

 

yes yes - now ill be steal your Lieana  banner now.. thanks .. bye 

NOOOOOOOOO.....ok
and when is the info for this "new killer feature" gonna come out?( I hope its something to do with squads.)

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 10 octobre 2011 - 02:15 .

[enayasoul]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think if she works against Shepard at all, it'll be to save Oriana. The foreshadowing is there. Though I would be...less than thrilled with that. I'd prefer her thinking Shep is a danger, attempting to clean up her mess, and figuring out TIM didn't tell her the whole story mid-fight.

Well, both are possible. Though both strike me as perhaps a little convoluted because they are dependant on backstory the player wouldn't/might not actually see.

If we do have to fight her initially, I would think it might be closer to the scenario we were discussing earlier, where she's been captured by Cerberus and they have implanted her with tech to ensure her obedience. So, the boss fight is you have to deactivate/neutralize whatever is controlling her. Something like that.

GOD I hope not!  I don't want to fight Miranda or cause her any harm!   I hope she's okay!!!  These posts are so depressing lately! Think I'll just go replay my video's happy moments with Miranda and male shep.

[enayasoul]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...

I stop going to the site to see what happens and come back and see this thread doesn't go to hell, it goes for 11 more pages....
I'm proud of you guys......
Miri FTW!

 

yes yes - now ill be steal your Lieana  banner now.. thanks .. bye 

NOOOOOOOOO.....ok
and when is the info for this "new killer feature" gonna come out?( I hope its something to do with squads.)

I hope this "new killer feature" is not what we already been hearing about. Or KINECT... Like I will ever use it since I only have the pc version and ps3!  It does me know good, if it's only for the xbox 360. 



Interactive love scene feature. yeah!  Something like what Heavy Rain did. 

[Dr. Doctor]

I sort of view the whole Oriana and Cerberus issue as a way to introduce Mr. Lawson.

Miranda doesn't have the resources of Cerberus and the Illusive Man knows where Oriana has been relocated to, but judging from her loyalty mission so does Mr. Lawson. Given the choice of leaving her sister at the mercy of an organization led by an Indoctriated madman or bringing her face to face with the man she fled from Miranda is forced to choose the lesser of two evils. 

Mr. Lawson: I figured you would come back to me. Have you come to gloat? To see the pathetic old man sitting in his tower, watching as his empire burns?

Miranda: Don't flatter yourself, I'm here because I need you to do something for me.

Mr. Lawson: And if I refuse?

Miranda: Then my collegue here will have to persuade you. (Shepard steps out of the shadows carrying a shotgun)
 
Mr. Lawson: Who's he?

Shepard: I'm the man with the gun.

[nitefyre410]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I sort of view the whole Oriana and Cerberus issue as a way to introduce Mr. Lawson.

Miranda doesn't have the resources of Cerberus and the Illusive Man knows where Oriana has been relocated to, but judging from her loyalty mission so does Mr. Lawson. Given the choice of leaving her sister at the mercy of an organization led by an Indoctriated madman or bringing her face to face with the man she fled from Miranda is forced to choose the lesser of two evils. 

Mr. Lawson: I figured you would come back to me. Have you come to gloat? To see the pathetic old man sitting in his tower, watching as his empire burns?

Miranda: Don't flatter yourself, I'm here because I need you to do something for me.

Mr. Lawson: And if I refuse?

Miranda: Then my collegue here will have to persuade you. (Shepard steps out of the shadows carrying a shotgun)
 
Mr. Lawson: Who's he?

Shepard: I'm the man with the gun.

 


See that line  right there  - perfect...

[enayasoul]

Dr. Doctor... you have the best dialogue write ups. I've enjoyed reading them. Thanks!

[typoo855]

OMG when i first saw this thread it was 250 pages this is crazy:D

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

I think if she works against Shepard at all, it'll be to save Oriana. The foreshadowing is there. Though I would be...less than thrilled with that. I'd prefer her thinking Shep is a danger, attempting to clean up her mess, and figuring out TIM didn't tell her the whole story mid-fight.

I have a hard time picturing a Loyal Miranda acting against Shepard without giving him the chance to explain himself, expecially if the info came from a third party and not something she saw with her own eyes.
The blackmail plot seems more likely to me.

Modifié par MisterJB, 10 octobre 2011 - 03:16 .

[Dr. Doctor]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think if she works against Shepard at all, it'll be to save Oriana. The foreshadowing is there. Though I would be...less than thrilled with that. I'd prefer her thinking Shep is a danger, attempting to clean up her mess, and figuring out TIM didn't tell her the whole story mid-fight.

I have a hard time picturing a Loyal Miranda acting against Shepard without giving him the chance to explain himself, expecially if the info came from a third party and not something she saw with her own eyes.
The blackmail plot seems more likely to me.

I could see Miranda being hesitant to ask Shepard for help simply because of how Shepard tends to operate. He/She is a blunt instrument the sledgehammer to Miranda's scalpel. Having Shepard charging in guns blazing might put Oriana in even more danger.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
The blackmail plot seems more likely to me.

It's funny... the blackmail thing gets brought up a lot, but it has never felt right to me. Partly, I guess, because I just don't see Miranda responding to blackmail that way. I mean... it would never end. She would know that.

Miranda physically defeated, that I can see. But Miranda controlled via blackmail? I don't see it going down like that. And then it would leave the huge loose end of what happens to Oriana once Miranda does join up with Shepard and Co.

Modifié par flemm, 10 octobre 2011 - 04:41 .

[CuseGirl]

::sigh:: finally played a ME-2 save where I romanced Miranda and ::gasp:: broke it off.......i feel wierd.....i still havent done LotSB, so i'm assuming i'll be open to romance Liara? If not, let me kno before I make a fool of myself.....if I romance Liara and import this save, will I get the catfight in ME-3?

[Ieldra]

CuseGirl wrote...
::sigh:: finally played a ME-2 save where I romanced Miranda and ::gasp:: broke it off.......i feel wierd.....i still havent done LotSB, so i'm assuming i'll be open to romance Liara? If not, let me kno before I make a fool of myself.....if I romance Liara and import this save, will I get the catfight in ME-3?

How would we know?.

I say if you broke the Miranda romance off, then you won't get a romance conflict in ME3. Unless it's possible to reactivate the romance in ME3.

[Spanky Magoo]

Ieldra2 wrote...


Like this: If Miranda is forced by the circumstances to work for people she doesn't respect, that's one thing. If she's forced *by* those people, however, she doesn't retain any initiative and is practically imprisoned. That's a scenario I dislike in any story, even more so if it affects my favorite character.

I already have an axe to grind with the Alliance. If their representatives start to put pressure on any of my ex-Cerberus people, they can walk out the airlock.

I'm all for Miranda being captured by Cerberus and I don't want to imagine what they might do to her off-screen before she can get out, but at least there she doesn't have to pretend they're allies. And she absolutely must get away from the situation mostly on her own.

True and true. Shepard in my main game anyway, is loyal to his crew and the the mission not any of the factions. So if me3 starts with the alliance putting a lockdown on the only other person just as capable as shepard then thats strike 3 and all of them can kiss my ass.

Im honestly not in favor of torturing Miri maybe she gets captured and you have to rescue her but I would rather her remain more or less unscathed.