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[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

I'd prefer she kept the ideals, if not the methods. And, frankly, there are days I root for her to kick the proverbial puppy.

Meh.
I honestly hated her the first time I played, until her loyalty mission. I've warmed up to her since then.

[Sigma2010]

I think that's what Bioware wanted you to feel about her. Then give you her loyalty mission which makes you change your perspective on her as a whole. What do you think?

[Dr. Doctor]

Mordin to me is the Doc Brown to Shepard's Marty McFly. If there's ever something that needs to be solved with science Mordin is the man for the job. However because we're rallying an army to fight the Reapers with in ME3, and not going on a suicide mission where we have no idea what we're facing he isn't as essential to the crew.

Samara already finished her oath to Shepard at the conclusion of the Suicide Mission. Once that oath ended Shepard can no longer command Samara to do anything, because unless the Third Oath of Subsumation is in effect the only thing that guides a Justicar's actions is the Code. She might still help Shepard fight the Reapers, just not as a squad member.

Miranda has the whole LI angle along with the Cerberus story arc and the Mr. Lawson story arc started in ME2. Also factoring in that she's nigh unkillable (unless you're specifically trying to do away with her during the SM she isn't going anywhere) I'm betting that she's going to be on the squad. Besides she's the only Sentinel-like character on any Mass Effect squad that I've had a use for.

[Sigma2010]

randy06 wrote...

Sigma2010 wrote...

I think that's what Bioware wanted you to feel about her. Then give you her loyalty mission which makes you change your perspective on her as a whole. What do you think?

I like miranda from the beginning until the end of the game. <3

OK, what got you the fact that model her after Yvonne Strahoski.  That was an "OH YEAH", moment for me and made me want to play ME2 even more. 

[Sigma2010]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Mordin to me is the Doc Brown to Shepard's Marty McFly. If there's ever something that needs to be solved with science Mordin is the man for the job. However because we're rallying an army to fight the Reapers with in ME3, and not going on a suicide mission where we have no idea what we're facing he isn't as essential to the crew.

Samara already finished her oath to Shepard at the conclusion of the Suicide Mission. Once that oath ended Shepard can no longer command Samara to do anything, because unless the Third Oath of Subsumation is in effect the only thing that guides a Justicar's actions is the Code. She might still help Shepard fight the Reapers, just not as a squad member.

Miranda has the whole LI angle along with the Cerberus story arc and the Mr. Lawson story arc started in ME2. Also factoring in that she's nigh unkillable (unless you're specifically trying to do away with her during the SM she isn't going anywhere) I'm betting that she's going to be on the squad. Besides she's the only Sentinel-like character on any Mass Effect squad that I've had a use for.

I agree with the Mordin analogy.  I hate to admit it.  But I would rather Mordin take the place of Doc Chakwas and continue as a squad member.   Than potentially lose out on him in being in ME3.

[Dr. Doctor]

 Random question does anyone know who Miranda's writer was in ME2? 

[naledgeborn]

Chris something (sorry dude for forgetting your last name) and Patrick Weekes.

[Dr. Doctor]

Patrick Weekes is one of the writers I'm not too familiar with, what I'm trying to do is to see what sort of writing style the writers have.

 David Gaider (who wrote Fenris and Morrigan in the Dragon Age games)is a fan of creating characters who may seem one dimensional at first, only to slowly develop over the course of the game, only to tear out your heart at the end.

Lukas Kristjanson (who wrote Jacob, Carver Hawke, and Aveline Vallen) writes characters who either focus on having a deep sense of duty to their loved ones (Aveline) or characters who follow the Desperately Looking For A Purpose In Life trope. Father issues come standard.

If I can find a novel or a short story written by Miranda's writer(s) that gives me enough of an insight to how they develop a character then it might be possible to make more accurate predictions of where her character is going.

Dear god I am a nerd.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 11 octobre 2011 - 03:55 .

[flemm]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Dear god I am a nerd.

I'm confused... you say that like it's a bad thing

Sigma2010 wrote...

I think that's what Bioware wanted you to feel about her. Then give you her loyalty mission which makes you change your perspective on her as a whole. What do you think?

Well, I liked Miranda from the beginning. But she is the type of character I'm drawn to. I think you are right, though, in the sense that the writers definitely envisioned a path in the game that can take you from initial dislike to a changed perspective. At least it is designed for that purpose. (Jack is also designed with a path like that.)


Re: Miranda's squad status, I think it's worth noting that we haven't actually had any bad news. Big mood swing in this thread, there's some news trickling in that doesn't tell us what we want to hear... But it's all pretty neutral stuff as far as Miranda is concerned. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Modifié par flemm, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:59 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Too much worrying over nothing and doomwalling. Grr. (I swear, tumblr is the most awesome website EVER.)



Really good Miri cosplay:




And this is how I feel about Garrus and Tali.

[Athayniel]

UserForFun wrote...

I like the comradeship between Garrus/Shepard, and the teacher-novice relationship.

I would be amused if Shepard would abruptly tell Garrus '' Don't worry kid, we'll get trough. '' in a deep, old tonality, bearing the lungs of a 80 years old smoker.

As for the Mass Effect Characters, Mordin/Miranda, only ones I am intrigued by, and use as squad.

Yeah, I didn't feel any camaraderie with him at all. He tries but it falls flat with me. I play it like my Shep is indulging him most of the time.

I love Tali on the other hand. She can challenge Shep and turn him down because she has commitments already, all she needs is the ability to get those under her command to actually do what she says. So far we've seen Praza run off alone and Kal'Reegar stuff her in a bunker to save her. =P

[Dariansarr]

[quote]flemm wrote...

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Dear god I am a nerd.
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I'm confused... you say that like it's a bad thing

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Its the moment that you realize it^_^

[CptData]

Xilizhra wrote...

How many people would be upset if Miranda had lost faith in Cerberus' ideals, or some of them, due to the events of ME3?

Actually, I'd like her a bit more. Cerberus isn't an organization I care for. And Miranda seems to be far better without them. If anyone is able to give her a purpose, an objective, then it's Shepard, not TIM or Cerberus.

And if I'm correct, Miranda already lost faith in Cerberus at the end of ME2 - of course, you need to bring her with your squad for final boss fight. It doesn't matter if she's your current LI or not. In my case she wasn't.

[Athayniel]

CptData wrote...
Actually, I'd like her a bit more. Cerberus isn't an organization I care for. And Miranda seems to be far better without them. If anyone is able to give her a purpose, an objective, then it's Shepard, not TIM or Cerberus.

And if I'm correct, Miranda already lost faith in Cerberus at the end of ME2 - of course, you need to bring her with your squad for final boss fight. It doesn't matter if she's your current LI or not. In my case she wasn't.

Xili actually said Cerberus' ideals, which I take to mean human advancement and enfranchisement on the galactic stage.

I would be upset if she lost those. I just hope she realises she can work towards those ideals without Cerberus, that in fact Cerberus was undermining a lot of those ideals with their methods.

[CptData]

Athayniel wrote...

CptData wrote...
Actually, I'd like her a bit more. Cerberus isn't an organization I care for. And Miranda seems to be far better without them. If anyone is able to give her a purpose, an objective, then it's Shepard, not TIM or Cerberus.

And if I'm correct, Miranda already lost faith in Cerberus at the end of ME2 - of course, you need to bring her with your squad for final boss fight. It doesn't matter if she's your current LI or not. In my case she wasn't.

Xili actually said Cerberus' ideals, which I take to mean human advancement and enfranchisement on the galactic stage.

I would be upset if she lost those. I just hope she realises she can work towards those ideals without Cerberus, that in fact Cerberus was undermining a lot of those ideals with their methods.

Now human advancement can be achieved without becoming xenophobic. Okay, Miranda is stating that she hates most people joining Cerberus are doing so because of their xenophoby and not because human advancement, true.

Miranda leaves Cerberus at the end of ME2 mostly because she finally realized she wasn't much more than a tool for TIM. He used her to bring back Cerberus, he used her to make sure Shepard is worth the money spent. Shepard is someone she can count on, he showed her how to do better and that he cares for his people (if he did that LM) - what had TIM done for her? Right.

Basically, Shepard's mission helps mankind to advance even further than Cerberus can imagine. Looked at that way, Miranda doesn't lose faith in "advancement for mankind" but in Cerberus. I like it how things turn out here.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
Well, I liked Miranda from the beginning. But she is the type of character I'm drawn to. I think you are right, though, in the sense that the writers definitely envisioned a path in the game that can take you from initial dislike to a changed perspective. At least it is designed for that purpose. (Jack is also designed with a path like that.)

I've said before Miranda could have been designed to my specifications (and no, I don't mean the appearance, though that helps, of course). I liked her from when she first appeared and the fascination only grew as I progressed through the game. The only WTF moment is her "betrayal" line, but then I never get that myself.

Re: Miranda's squad status, I think it's worth noting that we haven't actually had any bad news. Big mood swing in this thread, there's some news trickling in that doesn't tell us what we want to hear... But it's all pretty neutral stuff as far as Miranda is concerned. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Thanks for the heads-up. I guess no news that Miranda is a one-mission temp is better than news that she is. But this hanging-in-an-information-vacuum is stressful. 

[Ieldra]

Athayniel wrote...

CptData wrote...
Actually, I'd like her a bit more. Cerberus isn't an organization I care for. And Miranda seems to be far better without them. If anyone is able to give her a purpose, an objective, then it's Shepard, not TIM or Cerberus.

And if I'm correct, Miranda already lost faith in Cerberus at the end of ME2 - of course, you need to bring her with your squad for final boss fight. It doesn't matter if she's your current LI or not. In my case she wasn't.

Xili actually said Cerberus' ideals, which I take to mean human advancement and enfranchisement on the galactic stage.

I would be upset if she lost those. I just hope she realises she can work towards those ideals without Cerberus, that in fact Cerberus was undermining a lot of those ideals with their methods.

Indeed. I would dislike it if Miranda suddenly started to extol the virtues of the status quo regarding the role of the Council and humanity in the galaxy. I would also dislike it if Miranda lost the pragmatism that makes her a good operative and her moral ambiguity. She never supported what was done at the Teltin facility and similar things, and that's enough for me.

I see her ideals of human advancement and her willingness to cross some lines to achieve that as a defining aspect of her character. Without them, she wouldn't be the Miranda Lawson I came to like. That she won't go as far as TIM and that her idea of human advancement is non-xenophobic and compatible with learning from non-humans is also established.

So no, she'd better not change in that regard. Cyrus Shepard appreciates an LI with an enlightened pro-human agenda like he has.

[CptData]

Depends on taste, I guess. My image of Miranda is a bit different, Ieldra2 - in my universe, she IS fighting for human advancement, but not in a way to make mankind more powerful than other races. That's not her primary agenda - and it's not the one of my Shepard.

But yeah, since everyone can have his/her own idea about the ME-universe and every character, I can see why you think so. It works for me, I just like "my" Miranda a bit less pro!human. Same when it comes to her past - some guys believe she had numerous one night stands because she couldn't get in touch with romantic feelings. I believe she had far less one night stands and most likely a boyfriend or two. However, she's not inexperienced in sex and such, not a bit, and she's used to use her body as weapon and goal for every man she wants to manipulate. 
And yes, I believe it for Shepard's sake ... ^^ don't wanna see him as another one night stand für Miri


And yes, my oppinion of Miranda shifts a bit with each playthrough. Overall, I like her and if there's a way to get her permanently in my squad, I'll do it.

Modifié par CptData, 11 octobre 2011 - 01:06 .

[flemm]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Really good Miri cosplay:

*snip*

Wow, that's pretty amazing.

CptData wrote...
Basically, Shepard's mission helps mankind to advance even further than Cerberus can imagine. Looked at that way, Miranda doesn't lose faith in "advancement for mankind" but in Cerberus. I like it how things turn out here.

I basically do as well. That said, I'm not opposed to the idea that Miranda's goal in ME3 is to take back Cerberus from TIM, who has betrayed humanity and the organisation's original cause, either by siding with the Reapers directly, or whatever it is that happens.

To me, that is partly what the frequently discussed "betrayal" line may possibly have been foreshadowing.

Given that there will apparently be some revelations concerning Cerberus' connections to the Alliance, it may be that, at the end of the day, Cerberus is a very different organisation at the end of ME3 than it is currently, whatever Miranda's involvement.

Modifié par flemm, 11 octobre 2011 - 01:12 .

[UserForFun]

Am I the only one that's naive, or blind enough, to still hold tightly the grasp over the fact that Illusive Man does not work with the Reapers..? And only a portion of Cerberus were indoctrinated.

Illusive Man, after the events of Retribution, should exert an abundance of caution, to the point of paranoia, regarding anything related to the Reapers, and his own personal safety. I refuse to believe he's turned into a mere pawn, it would be a lame twist otherwise.

Modifié par UserForFun, 11 octobre 2011 - 01:17 .

[nitefyre410]

UserForFun wrote...

Am I the only one that's naive, or blind enough, to still hold tightly the grasp over the fact that Illusive Man does not work with the Reapers..? And only a portion of Cerberus were indoctrinated.

Illusive Man, after the events of Retribution, should exert an abundance of caution, to the point of paranoia, regarding anything related to the Reapers, and his own personal safety. I refuse to believe he's turned into a mere pawn, it would be a lame twist otherwise.

 


Like I  have said  if he is not pulling the Greatest Magniceficant Bastard,  along some kind of  gambit in history. I am going to very, very disappointed.

Because notion of the Man who has between  the past 30 years his life built Cerberus to  stop the Reapers only to be working for them and there not be some kind  Mind screw  going on from the Reaprers or him  pulling a  gambit of some sort .   Him just working for the Reapers for the sake of working with the Reapers for sake of Filling  the role of Evil Shadow orignization  because Bioware failed to plan out  every thing and have on implace from the start.... 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 11 octobre 2011 - 01:28 .

[flemm]

UserForFun wrote...

Am I the only one that's naive, or blind enough, to still hold tightly the grasp over the fact that Illusive Man does not work with the Reapers..? And only a portion of Cerberus were indoctrinated.

Do not fear! Others, including myself, have had similarly naive thoughts

It's actually hard to imagine TIM working with the Reapers directly, at least not without being coerced in some way. It sounds like the situation is not so simple as that, judging from developer tweets and such. We'll see. Perhaps his motivation is one of the game's mysteries until you confront him (hopefully, alongside Miranda). 

We've even discussed the intriguing, though somewhat far-fetched, scenario where TIM is a surprise "twist" squad member, a bit like Loghain in DA:O.

Modifié par flemm, 11 octobre 2011 - 01:23 .

[jtav]

Well, I'd prefer to know bad news now, to reduce stress.

And if there's anything I can do to see that Miranda retains her ideals and ruthlessness from ME2, I'll do it. Nit one step more towards Paragon for me. I'm drowning in Paragon LIs as is.