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[jtav]

Miranda being independently powerful will go a long way toward soothing any issues with squad status, though I still hope for that.

Miranda, Jack, and Jacob are the only LIs unaccounted for. The only question is are they the equivalent of Garrus in ME2 or Ash/Kaidan/Liara.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
I doubt the casual fan wants more than T&A and being useful in combat.

I think you're being a little hard on the casual fan there. Though maybe in part. What I meant more was that some players who are attached to the character might just want her around a lot, allied with them, supporting them, in combat and otherwise.

Miranda being an independantly powerful individual at the end is something I'd like to see, of course. And I do think we might see it.

I am rather optimistic about that as well.

Regarding casual fans, I think those who like her will want Miranda (a) to be useful in combat, ( to look good, © to not work with TIM and (d) to be available as an LI. That's quite compatible with everything we're dreaming up here. In fact, I want all those things, too. It's just  not enough for us hardcore fans. The only thing I'm concerned about is that the more casual fans might want Miranda to be Shepard's satellite and that Bioware might pander to them.

[Athayniel]

Ieldra2 wrote...

LOL, if all those scenarios materialize, Shepard's team will rule the galaxy. Liara as the Shadow Broker, Miranda as the mysterious Illusive Woman, Tali as Admiral of the Migrant Fleet... where does it end?

Garrus taking over as Shepard's true nemesis, The Turian Councilor.

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...
Maybe we can merge Cerberus' material resources into the Shadow Broker network. Is that a fair compromise?

No. I do not want Miranda subordinate to Liara. Never.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...

Maybe we can merge Cerberus' material resources into the Shadow Broker network. Is that a fair compromise?
Miranda could perhaps lead the SB army.

First, of all, the Shadow Broker doesn't have an army. Second, I am 100% against any future where Miranda will have to answer to someone.
Cooperation between the Shadow Broker and the New Cerberus is acceptable, though.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Miranda, Jack, and Jacob are the only LIs unaccounted for. The only question is are they the equivalent of Garrus in ME2 or Ash/Kaidan/Liara.

Well, I would be very surprised if Jacob is in the game a lot. I like the guy, but he just wasn't a successful character overall by any measure. He'll get his mission, and I hope it's awesome. But I think that will be that.

Jack... I'm not sure. There's always been a possibility that the Jack/Miranda and Tali/Legion conflicts from ME2 correspond to a squad slot in ME3, i.e. you eventually have to pick one or the other as you move through the Cerberus and Geth/Quarian conflicts respectively. Many imported games would have, in effect, already chosen.

[jtav]

I only want it if I'm the one writing it. Because what BW would do with it is different then what I'd want, and in some ways opposed. And I don't mean femslash.

[General User]

Athayniel wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LOL, if all those scenarios materialize, Shepard's team will rule the galaxy. Liara as the Shadow Broker, Miranda as the mysterious Illusive Woman, Tali as Admiral of the Migrant Fleet... where does it end?

Garrus taking over as Shepard's true nemesis, The Turian Councilor.

Given the turian fondness for duels, Garrus could challenge Velarn to a duel and kill him.  Pretty awesome scenario actually.

[Ieldra]

General User wrote...

Athayniel wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LOL, if all those scenarios materialize, Shepard's team will rule the galaxy. Liara as the Shadow Broker, Miranda as the mysterious Illusive Woman, Tali as Admiral of the Migrant Fleet... where does it end?

Garrus taking over as Shepard's true nemesis, The Turian Councilor.

Given the turian fondness for duels, Garrus could challenge Velarn to a duel and kill him.  Pretty awesome scenario actually.

.....and thus Garrus dismissed Councilor Velarn. How very appropriate.

[nitefyre410]

Ieldra2 wrote...

flemm wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
Because its would be a great CMOA  seeing Miranda sitting in  TIM charr having outwitted, out manilupated  and out fought both  TIM and her father. Then cue Oriana(sister) and Jacob(FIrst real friend as he has never turned on her) flanking. Thus in brillant stroke  showing her to have a caring side, resolving her daddy issues AND showing  that she is not to be F-with because she takes down one  not only a rather power paramalitary  orgnization , Large interstella buisness.  

There is only one problem with your scenario.

It is so full of epic win that the game would explode...

Reality just never ends up being this awesome

You mean not even fictional reality?

But yes, the image of Miranda in TIM's chair makes me drool. And not primarily in a sexual sense (though it would add greatly to her sex appeal). That scenario would be so impossibly epic....if the game won't give us us that, I'm sure it will materialize in a fanfic.

I'm not sure, though, if Miranda would want Oriana on her space station. It appears to me she doesn't want her sister to know what she does. 

 

Orinana kinda already  knows  - she did  tell Mirianda to stop spying on shepards  email - which means  Orinana is savvy enough hack through Cerberus and Miranda Protocals undected and spy her  sister who made it  a career choice to one of the "Best there is"  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:24 .

[MisterJB]

nitefyre410 wrote...
Orinana kinda already  knows she did  tell Mirianda to stop spying on shepards  email - which means  Orinana is savvy enough hack through Cerberus and Miranda Protocals undected and spy her  sister who made it  a career choice to one of the "Best there is"  

...or, and just hear me out, or spying on Shepard is what Oriana would do, just like it says on the email.

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:15 .

[nitefyre410]

MisterJB wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
Orinana kinda already  knows she did  tell Mirianda to stop spying on shepards  email - which means  Orinana is savvy enough hack through Cerberus and Miranda Protocals undected and spy her  sister who made it  a career choice to one of the "Best there is"  

...or, and just hear me out, or spying on Shepard is what Oriana would do, just like it says on the email.

 

okay...


but the point is that She knows what Miranda does 

[jtav]

She knows Miranda is doing something dangerous, but not details.

[MisterJB]

She knows Miranda is on a dangerous mission. I doubt she knows Miranda worked for a, technically, terrorist group.

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:27 .

[Xilizhra]

No. I do not want Miranda subordinate to Liara. Never.

Is this because you don't want Miranda subordinate to anyone, or is it specifically a problem with Liara?
I ask because it'd give Miranda a chance to do something covert with some of her old resources after the galaxy settles. I thought it would be a good compromise.

First, of all, the Shadow Broker doesn't have an army.

Er, everyone you fight in LotSB? Tela Vasir and Feron both explicitly mention the Shadow Broker's private army as well.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
I ask because it'd give Miranda a chance to do something covert with some of her old resources after the galaxy settles. I thought it would be a good compromise.

But why does she need the Shadow Broker network for that? Why couldn't she establish her own or use Cerberus'?

Er, everyone you fight in LotSB? Tela Vasir and Feron both explicitly mention the Shadow Broker's private army as well.

That's hardly an army. Just a group of mercenaries.
In ME3, Cerberus is figthing multiple races at once. Now, that's an army.

[Xilizhra]

But why does she need the Shadow Broker network for that? Why couldn't she establish her own or use Cerberus'?

Because I'm going to leave Cerberus a smoking ruin with no hope of ever rebuilding its command structure. If she wants to use the data/money/other resources and doesn't want to give them all to the Alliance...

That's hardly an army. Just a group of mercenaries.

Feron's dialogue seems to suggest otherwise; they're extremely loyal personally to the Shadow Broker, and were apparently "raised" by the Broker as well (I'm assuming that means raised like an army, not like children, because the second would be rather odd).

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
Because I'm going to leave Cerberus a smoking ruin with no hope of ever rebuilding its command structure. If she wants to use the data/money/other resources and doesn't want to give them all to the Alliance...

Then just build her own. After all, she'll be the richest woman in the Galaxy after taking over the entirety of her father's empire and there's never shortage of humans willing to fight for the race.
Hey, if you can make assumptions about ME3, I can too.
Besides, personally, I'll try to keep as much of Cerberus intact as possible. If I had my way, the only one who would die would be TIM.

Feron's dialogue seems to suggest otherwise; they're extremely loyal personally to the Shadow Broker, and were apparently "raised" by the Broker as well (I'm assuming that means raised like an army, not like children, because the second would be rather odd).

Fair enough. Still small fry, not very numerous or competent considering what happened to the previous SB.

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:42 .

[Xilizhra]

Then just build her own. After all, she'll be the richest woman in the Galaxy after taking over the entirety of her father's empire and there's never shortage of humans willing to fight for the race.
Hey, if you can make assumptions about ME3, I can too.

Very well. I'll amend that statement to "I'll make every effort to do so."

Fair enough. Still small fry, not very numerous or competent considering what happened to the previous SB.

Is it fair to judge anyone's competence by how they fare against Shepard? Cerberus will be dropping like flies too.

[MisterJB]

In the Sur'Kesh demo you can see Salarians NPCs figthing alongisde the team against Cerberus. Obviously, Shepard will do most of the work but at least we can say that it took more than three people to defeat them. And, of course, we still don't know if there will be missions where Shepard leads a strike team while marines fend off Cerberus soldiers for example.

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:49 .

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...

No. I do not want Miranda subordinate to Liara. Never.

Is this because you don't want Miranda subordinate to anyone, or is it specifically a problem with Liara?
I ask because it'd give Miranda a chance to do something covert with some of her old resources after the galaxy settles. I thought it would be a good compromise.

I don't want Miranda to be subordinate to anyone, but I also have a special problem with Liara, because I think that Miranda was much better qualified for the SB job and before LotSB I had some hope she would get it. Instead they twisted Liara beyond recognition to make her fit for the job. Note that I like ME2 Liara much better than ME1 Liara, but the fact she's gotten more similar to Miranda illustrates my point.

I think Liara and Miranda could work well together, but in independent organizations (which would also mean some rivalry, which I would like).

BTW, not everything must be subordinate to your unreasonable fixation on burning Cerberus to the ground. It's not the root of all evil, you know...

[Xilizhra]

MisterJB wrote...

In the Sur'Kesh demo you can see Salarians NPCs figthing alongisde the team against Cerberus. Obviously, Shepard will do most of the work but at least we can say that it took more than three people to defeat them. And, of course, we still don't know if there will be missions where Shepard leads a strike team while marines hold off Cerberus soldiers for example.

I suspect this may be because the Shadow Broker was primarily defended by secrecy, and the army was mostly for emergency measures. Cerberus, on the other hand, seems to be attacking the galaxy and equipped with some sort of infinite supersoldier mojo.

[Xilizhra]

I don't want Miranda to be subordinate to anyone, but I also have a special problem with Liara, because I think that Miranda was much better qualified for the SB job and before LotSB I had some hope she would get it. Instead they twisted Liara beyond recognition to make her fit for the job. Note that I like ME2 Liara much better than ME1 Liara, but the fact she's gotten more similar to Miranda illustrates my point.

I'll admit that Redemption's quality was dubious in that regard, but if we look at her changing over two years, I don't think it's that unrealistic.

BTW, not everything must be subordinate to your unreasonable fixation on burning Cerberus to the ground. It's not the root of all evil, you know...

Actually, because I'm not sure the Reapers have sufficiently comprehensible minds to really be deemed "evil" yet and the indoctrinated lack free will, Cerberus is the single greatest evil we've yet encountered. At least in my point of view.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
I suspect this may be because the Shadow Broker was primarily defended by secrecy, and the army was mostly for emergency measures..

Well, of course. That is primarily why I hesitate in calling it an army. Before ME3, I wouldn't say Cerberus had an army either.

[Xilizhra]

MisterJB wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I suspect this may be because the Shadow Broker was primarily defended by secrecy, and the army was mostly for emergency measures..

Well, of course. That is primarily why I hesitate in calling it an army. Before ME3, I wouldn't say Cerberus had an army either.

I don't think Cerberus did have an army before ME3.