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[jtav]

Because Shepard betrayed (in her mind) her ideals or did something vile, a belief Shepard is a danger, etc. The reasons multiply post-Reaper.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Because Shepard betrayed (in her mind) her ideals or did something vile, a belief Shepard is a danger, etc. The reasons multiply post-Reaper.

Most of those things don't really come across as a betrayal. More like a loyal individual trying to do what is right in a difficult situation, where there are huge stakes in play. Or a response to what Miranda feels is a betrayal on Shepard's part.

The "she was always deceiving you" thing would be like if she were there as an ally at the beginning of ME3, but she takes down the ship's defenses from within and allows Cerberus to board the Normandy, something like that. Not that it's likely at all in my mind.

Modifié par flemm, 11 octobre 2011 - 10:09 .

[jtav]

No, not likely. If we get a traitor, my money's on Liara or new human female.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

No, not likely. If we get a traitor, my money's on Liara or new human female.

Well, if there's a big plot point, where somebody is abducted, or betrays you, or is indoctrinated, or whatever, then a character who is present in all games is most likely, I agree.

Modifié par flemm, 11 octobre 2011 - 10:13 .

[Td1984]

Perhaps the VS (in my game it's Ash). Though I really wouldn't want them to be a traitor either.

EDIT: I really hate it when my post doesn't appear right away, especially when I need to edit it.

Modifié par Td1984, 11 octobre 2011 - 10:22 .

[Xilizhra]

Personally, I don't think anyone on the squad will be a traitor, or if they are, it'll be a non-LI. Assuming we have any.

[jtav]

They've done traitorous LIs, but it was always a big plot.

Altered my flags. Dead Council. Kaidan VS. Let's just see if it works,

[nitefyre410]

Athayniel wrote...

jtav wrote...

I've considered it, and there's a part of me that would love it, and then I remember it means either her death or redemption.

Ye Gods... Redemption Equals Death is one of my least favourite tropes...

 

I agree and like more tropes when used properly  Redemption Equals Death can always a   CMOA and Tear Jearker and  CMOH in the same breath. 

Case  Dinobots Death in Beast Machines.    


The Traitors  the entire Alliance Goverment the Reapers some weaseling the where why into the power structure. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 11 octobre 2011 - 10:44 .

[flemm]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Case  Dinobots Death in Beast Machines.    

I'm almost hesitant to ask, but could you explain? This reference went over my head. (I do have basic knowledge of transformers, i.e. I know who the Dinobots are... Me, Grimlok!, etc.)

Modifié par flemm, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:30 .

[Xilizhra]

flemm wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Case  Dinobots Death in Beast Machines.    

I'm almost hesitant to ask, but could you explain? This reference went over my head. (I do have basic knowledge of transformers, i.e. I know who the Dinobots are... Me, Grimlok!, etc.)

Nitefyre meant Beast Wars. And there was a single character named Dinobot on that show.

[flemm]

Xilizhra wrote...
Nitefyre meant Beast Wars. And there was a single character named Dinobot on that show.

And thus, I reveal the depths of my ignorance...


In other news, this was posted in the group recently, by vetters1215 on deviant art. I like it!

Modifié par flemm, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:59 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What the? Dammit. You are all making this thread lose it's touch. Show some more compassion for our Beloved Miri!

And hardly any pics lately? Come on fellow Mirimancers/Mirimaniacs!





:wub::wub:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:05 .

[nitefyre410]

Xilizhra wrote...

flemm wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Case  Dinobots Death in Beast Machines.    

I'm almost hesitant to ask, but could you explain? This reference went over my head. (I do have basic knowledge of transformers, i.e. I know who the Dinobots are... Me, Grimlok!, etc.)

Nitefyre meant Beast Wars. And there was a single character named Dinobot on that show.

 

^ this...  

Go check out in  Transformer Section of Crowning moments of the awesome TV tropes  through its more my opinon that it a Redemption = Death because he was a Decepticon  that was protect bunch humans(who they hate) to protect the timeline... 


but I digress as usual 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:03 .

[flemm]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And hardly any pics lately?

That's your department

We handle the pointless arguments, far-fetched speculation, painstaking analysis, and frequent mood swings

nitefyre410 wrote...

Go check out in Transformer Section of Crowning moments of the awesome TV tropes through its more my opinon that it a Redemption = Death because he was a Decepticon that was protect bunch humans(who they hate) to protect the timeline...

but I digress as usual

Cool, thanks.

Modifié par flemm, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:10 .

[jtav]

And I've posted a lot of unique scteenshots.

[flemm]

randy06 wrote...
My problem is that I have no idea how to post photos in the Forum.

This thread has some helpful info, tutorials and such:

http://social.biowar.../9/index/994591

Modifié par flemm, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:23 .

[jtav]

Heh, Miranda is listed as a Scrappy on TVTropes. Not sure she's hated enough for that. Jacob, yes. Miranda, no.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Heh, Miranda is listed as a Scrappy on TVTropes. Not sure she's hated enough for that.

I think it fits to an extent if you apply mostly that part of the definition where certain fans think a character is too perfect, arrogant and/or marysue-ish. People who don't like Miranda tend to look at her that way. Which is admittedly superficial, but you do see it.

randy06 wrote...

thanks so much for your help

You're welcome

Modifié par flemm, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:40 .

[nitefyre410]

jtav wrote...

Heh, Miranda is listed as a Scrappy on TVTropes. Not sure she's hated enough for that. Jacob, yes. Miranda, no.

 


Tropes are not always bad things, they are tools  that writers use and depending on how a writer uses depends on  if they are good or bad.(the site says so) 

that being said 

How in the world do they explain miranda being scrappy?   

The woman threw a Asari  Commando turned Merc ... Clear cross a space port. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:42 .

[flemm]

nitefyre410 wrote...
How in the world do they explain miranda being scrappy?   

Well, it's not a very clearly defined trope, compared with a lot the ones included on that site. Certain aspects of it could apply to any somewhat polarizing character, really. The name also doesn't really fit the definition very well.

Modifié par flemm, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:46 .

[nitefyre410]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

Heh, Miranda is listed as a Scrappy on TVTropes. Not sure she's hated enough for that.

I think it fits to an extent if you apply mostly that part of the definition where certain fans think a character is too perfect, arrogant and/or marysue-ish. People who don't like Miranda tend to look at her that way. Which is admittedly superficial, but you do see it.

Yet they conventinently ingoreing  the fact that she  actually hates the fact she is created  to be peferct  because everything achieves she feels in validating in some way  that he father  was right in his means of bring her in the world. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:54 .

[jtav]

Base Breaker, I can see, but I wouldn't say Miranda has more of a hatedom than Tali.