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[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Base Breaker, I can see, but I wouldn't say Miranda has more of a hatedom than Tali.

Well, even according to the definition, it's a subjective trope. So I dunno. I guess it could work to an extent for either. But neither really fits that well overall.

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yet they conventinently ingoreing the fact that she actually hates the fact she is created to be peferct because everything achieves she feels in validating in some way that he father was right in his means of bring her in the world.

I'm in the choir you're preaching to

Modifié par flemm, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:28 .

[jtav]

Cerberus are even the enemies in MP. Just how big are these guys? I'm starting to think Miranda not being on squad is akin to the daughter of Saren's 2IC not joining up. What was her name? Started with an L...

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

Cerberus are even the enemies in MP. Just how big are these guys? I'm starting to think Miranda not being on squad is akin to the daughter of Saren's 2IC not joining up. What was her name? Started with an L...

I see your point, but I'm not sure if the analogy works; even without Miranda, Shepard is quite intimately associated with Cerberus.

Of course, I would rather see Miranda on the squad than late-arrival idiots like Vega.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

Cerberus are even the enemies in MP. Just how big are these guys? I'm starting to think Miranda not being on squad is akin to the daughter of Saren's 2IC not joining up. What was her name? Started with an L...

The N7 Ops page states that the Alliance has no idea how the Illusive Man was able to swell his ranks so quickly and that "As the galaxy crumbles, their loyalty to Cerberus only grows more absolute." I'll give you three guesses to how Cerberus was able to rally an army in only a few months and the first two don't count.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:17 .

[jtav]

I meant narratively. And I think there are actually two options here. The obvious one is indoctrination. But they have Okeer's tech now, too. A bunch of force grown clones is possible.

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

I meant narratively. And I think there are actually two options here. The obvious one is indoctrination. But they have Okeer's tech now, too. A bunch of force grown clones is possible.

Well, all right. I'll say this: If we're going to have Vega and some other human female squadmate at the beginning, I'd like that one to be Miranda. And would enjoy having her on the team. Though if she was going to be Vega's counterpart, she may need to reveal bisexuality for the purposes of balance.

[jtav]

It won't be her, it'll be the VS. Miranda will come later, if she comes, probably the mission after Cerberus is revealed as an enemy.

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

It won't be her, it'll be the VS. Miranda will come later, if she comes, probably the mission after Cerberus is revealed as an enemy.

So you can have Vega and Kaidan? Unless you also start with Liara, that seems slightly unbalancing.

[flemm]

Xilizhra wrote...
So you can have Vega and Kaidan? Unless you also start with Liara, that seems slightly unbalancing.

It does appear that the VS and Vega are the two first squad members. Mostly that will be Ashley. But after that, I imagine Liara and a second human female, possibly Miranda, will show up pretty quick. It's possible you pick up other people as you leave earth as well. NPCs at least, to fill out the Normandy's crew.

The "core" squad seems to be Liara, Vega, VS. Maybe there are more, but if so, it seems like you will mostly pick them up later. Considered as a group of three, it's gender balanced, or even somewhat oriented toward the feminine, given that Ashley will be in the majority of games.

Modifié par flemm, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:54 .

[Dr. Doctor]

 @Jtav

If Cerberus is fielding a clone army led by a sith lord The Illusive Man, all I'm going to be able to think of is a scene like this.

Shepard: So I'm responsible for giving Cerberus the means to produce an army of clones?

Miranda: No, that would be those idiots in millitary R&D.  Illusive Man recruited an entire department of the finest engineers and researchers. Unfortunatly, those agents had an unhealthy obsession with late Twentieth Century pop culutre.

Shepard: What do you mean?

Miranda: Those troopers fly around with rocket boots, and march to battle in giant robots, and now they have a bloody army of clones that is led by an egomaniacal madman! Does this not remind you of anything at all?

Shepard: Not really, I never was a big fan of old movies.

[jtav]

And my Shep will say "How come I didn't get the giant robot?"

[flemm]

Defeating an army of pop culture clichés will be a daunting task indeed...

Their over-used trope canons and shameless rip-off missile launchers are particularly deadly.

jtav wrote...

Cerberus are even the enemies in MP. Just how big are these guys? I'm starting to think Miranda not being on squad is akin to the daughter of Saren's 2IC not joining up.

Oh, she'll be there.

"Where, why and how much you see her... I won't spoil that."
-Casey Hudson

Damn. I hate waiting.

Modifié par flemm, 12 octobre 2011 - 03:13 .

[jtav]

I know that. It takes too long to type out "as a squadmate."

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I know that. It takes too long to type out "as a squadmate."

Yeah, I know. And obviously that part is still up in the air. But Cerberus everywhere, and no Miranda news... it's so tantalizing lol.

[jtav]

And frustrating. We're back with the Alliance so the VS has to be there (yay!) but we've also got a reasonably well-liked character who is very durable and used by more people than anyone who has major ties to a central antagonist. If it wasn't for meta factors, I'd call her a shoo-in.

[flemm]

It's going to be a long four-five months, I'm afraid

[nitefyre410]

jtav wrote...

And frustrating. We're back with the Alliance so the VS has to be there (yay!) but we've also got a reasonably well-liked character who is very durable and used by more people than anyone who has major ties to a central antagonist. If it wasn't for meta factors, I'd call her a shoo-in.

 


The fact that the VS and being back with does shock considering this is a conclusion of the Shepards trilogy(which tend to go full circle)  

the only question have is -  Will Bioware be able to close this circle in satisfying way

[jtav]

Sorry just...rargh.

I think I'm going to write some more femslash. Good for the blood pressure.

[Dr. Doctor]

@Jtav
I'm sure once you have constant exposure to Kaiden once more you'll feel better.

jtav wrote...
And my Shep will say "How come I didn't get the giant robot?"

Shepard: What the hell was that?!

Miranda: Atlas mech, Cerberus must have taken them out of storage.

Shepard: Cerberus had giant robots just sitting there in storage and they neglected to give us one?

Miranda: They cost a small forturne to keep running, the Illusive Man wanted to keep the Lazarus Cell's budget from spiraling any further out of control, so we had to keep luxuries to a minimum.

Shepard: So leather seats are essential, but a giant killer robot is a luxury?

Miranda: (sighs) I'll tell you what, if you don't break the next one that we find, you can keep it.

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

Sorry just...rargh.

I think I'm going to write some more femslash. Good for the blood pressure.

Dare I ask what this'll be?

[JosephDucreux]

 My favorite scene for Miranda post-Reaper is her working and succeeding in reversing the effects of indoctrination. She then uses this to try and reverse the husks back into their original form, like Will Smith in I Am Legend (minus the dying alone as a hero part). So she's basically engaged/married to Shepard (depends on playthroughs and romance progression), but she's busy doing her own stuff while Shep reorganizes the fleets. If she's dead, I'd love to see a bad ending where less than 1/10 of the galaxy's population remains, and there are millions of husks with no hope of becoming 'normal' again still aimlessly roaming around. Serves those guys who killed Miranda off right. (You actually had to try really hard to kill Miranda off, so it couldn't be an accident)


Also, referring a post a few pages back, seriously? Ethics in special/covert ops? Do we look like the f**king Peace Corps to you? As it is, special/covert ops are already ethically objectionable due to the nature of most missions, so yeah. Not exactly rocket science. However, there is a line between being selectively ruthless and just being a homicidal SOB/b*tch. I believe that Miranda is completely selectively ruthless.


Finally, if Miranda is a traitor/indoctrinated in ME3, I'm going to drive around to every single store in the country, flash my badge, and say: "I'm here on government business, and I'm here to confiscate every single copy of ME3 you have due to *insert plausible sounding reasons that involve threatening global security and stability* messages contained within." Then, I'd burn 'em all. You have been warned, Bioware. You have been warned.

Modifié par JosephDucreux, 12 octobre 2011 - 06:37 .

[JosephDucreux]

Okay...someone give me some ideas for some Shep/Miri dialog. I'm itching to try my hand at some dialog writing between this amazing couple.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Just saw a prompt for an extremely nerdy Miranda on the masskink meme, and this was my response:



I could totally see Miranda as a nerd for old TV shows/movies. Also, Miranda as an Angry Birds addict is absolutely plausible. And Miranda wearing nerd glasses would totally make the fangirl in me die of happiness.