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[flemm]

Athayniel wrote...

Isn't she filming Chuck until November? I doubt there will be any news until then.

That's the word, yeah. Still, that's coming up pretty quick now.

Modifié par flemm, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:00 .

[jtav]

If scheduling/money conflicts are the reason Miranda gets a small role, I may just pop a blood vessel.

[Eyeshield21]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I can think of a few things Miranda could be doing:

If Miranda didn't resign from Cerberus at the end of ME2 I could see her working with a team of other disenfranchied operatives (she can't be the only operative who didn't join because of xenophobia ) who are working to find out what has caused the sudden change in Cerberus operations.

If Miranda resigned from Cerberus at the end of ME2 she's working with a team of fellow ex-Cerberus agents (same ones who would be in the first idea) Who are on the run from the Illusive Man's forces. Using their expertise they are able to infiltrate Cerberus and gain information on how the Illusive Man has been able to turn Cerberus for an organization with a handful of operatives to a full-scale army in only a few months.

I agree with this.
oh and i'm back.

[jtav]

Something I don't think we've discussed and a fairly minor point. When did Miranda know she and Shepard would be sent to investigate the missing colonies? Slightly related, but I can imagine some upset once she knows the full scope of the mission. She spends two years of her life resurrecting the best hope humanity has (according to her boss) and she and that hope are immediately sent off on a suicide mission. And not against the Reapers, but their proxies.

[Eyeshield21]

jtav wrote...

Something I don't think we've discussed and a fairly minor point. When did Miranda know she and Shepard would be sent to investigate the missing colonies? Slightly related, but I can imagine some upset once she knows the full scope of the mission. She spends two years of her life resurrecting the best hope humanity has (according to her boss) and she and that hope are immediately sent off on a suicide mission. And not against the Reapers, but their proxies.

TIM just wanted the reaper/collector tech.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

Something I don't think we've discussed and a fairly minor point. When did Miranda know she and Shepard would be sent to investigate the missing colonies? Slightly related, but I can imagine some upset once she knows the full scope of the mission. She spends two years of her life resurrecting the best hope humanity has (according to her boss) and she and that hope are immediately sent off on a suicide mission. And not against the Reapers, but their proxies.

TIM: Consider it a field test of your creation Miss Lawson.

Miranda: With all due respect sir I hardly think throwing Shepard into this situation is the most prudent course of action. We still haven't run the full battery of tests to make sure he's fully recovered. 

TIM: That's exactly the reason why you're going with him.

Miranda: Might I ask as to why?

TIM: The Lazarus Project is your baby Miss Lawson, I've given you all the resources you asked for because you told me that you could bring Shepard back exactly the way he was. I've yet to see that. You've never let me down before, but there is a first time for everything.

Miranda: I'll do it.

TIM: Good to hear. Now are you familliar with the colony of Freedom's Progress?...

[Eyeshield21]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...

Something I don't think we've discussed and a fairly minor point. When did Miranda know she and Shepard would be sent to investigate the missing colonies? Slightly related, but I can imagine some upset once she knows the full scope of the mission. She spends two years of her life resurrecting the best hope humanity has (according to her boss) and she and that hope are immediately sent off on a suicide mission. And not against the Reapers, but their proxies.

TIM: Consider it a field test of your creation Miss Lawson.

Miranda: With all due respect sir I hardly think throwing Shepard into this situation is the most prudent course of action. We still haven't run the full battery of tests to make sure he's fully recovered. 

TIM: That's exactly the reason why you're going with him.

Miranda: Might I ask as to why?

TIM: The Lazarus Project is your baby Miss Lawson, I've given you all the resources you asked for because you told me that you could bring Shepard back exactly the way he was. I've yet to see that. You've never let me down before, but there is a first time for everything.

Miranda: I'll do it.

TIM: Good to hear. Now are you familliar with the colony of Freedom's Progress?...

probably happened in the real story.
Nice story bro.

[jtav]

I suspect it bugs me more than it does Miranda because I know the Collectors are just the warm up and she and Shepard are being risked on that. Of course, I'm about to give Veetor to Cerberus, so how irritated can I be?

And I think I've figured out a reason Miranda warms up that works for me. Even the most Paragon of Paragons puts personal feelings aside and agrees to work with Cerberus, putting the mission before feelings.

Modifié par jtav, 13 octobre 2011 - 12:15 .

[flemm]

To address your original point, I don't think she'd have a big problem with it. Beating the Collectors may be a suicide mission, but going up against the Reapers involves even more ridiculously long odds. Might as well get started. I think she'd like the challenge, and Shepard has to prove her/himself at some point.

Miranda being opposed to spending all those resources on Shepard makes sense, but, I think, having succeeded in bringing her/him back, she'd be ready to get to work. And doing something about the Collectors is their best bet on making progress against the Reapers in any event, at that point.

That's from an in-story point of view. If we're talking about this more from an angsty ME2 fan point of view, well, we'll see. Right now it's not looking too great, but ME2 was a really successful game that brought a lot of new fans to the franchise. I doubt it will be the object of some sort of across the board diss in ME3. That makes no sense at all.

Modifié par flemm, 13 octobre 2011 - 12:37 .

[jtav]

Oh God, I'm turning into an ME1 fan c. 2009. God help me.

[CuseGirl]

I like how Doctor can answer any question with a set of novel dialogue

[flemm]

CuseGirl wrote...

I like how Doctor can answer any question with a set of novel dialogue

It's awesome

[drwells123]

jtav wrote...

Sorry just...rargh.

I think I'm going to write some more femslash. Good for the blood pressure.

(reminds self to make sure jtav is irritated more often)

[jtav]

I'm not irritated as much as terrified. Replaying ME2 and remembering how much I just plain like Miranda's character and how much not having her around will sting. And the "now you know how we felt" from ME1 fans doesn't help.

[Dr. Doctor]

CuseGirl wrote...

I like how Doctor can answer any question with a set of novel dialogue

Thank you.

As for Miranda in ME3, she's going to be in there. We've had the Cerberus story arc since ME1, it's going to end in ME3, we have her personal story arc with her father, and we have the romance story arc that has the possibility to start in ME2. She's tied into a lot of plotlines so there's a good chance that she'll have a role in the game.

On another note, remember those Neat little short stories we got about the LI's in DA2? I wonder if we could get some of those for some party members in ME3. It would be neat to have a Miranda story written from her POV by her writer.

[Bran187]

Miranda is a very complex charactor. She is extremly loyal (if you earn it) and she has a pretty cool back story. I always got the feeling that she was with Cerberus more because she felt like she needed to repay them for saving her and her sister then because she was a human eliteist. Her bitterness toward Shepard is really just her low self esteem being eminated out. As you get to know her, gain her loyalty and break down the whole 'im just an indebted tool to be used mindset' thats where you really get to know the real Miranda.

Used Miranda in EVERY mission, was always the third wheel in loyalty missions. Awesome charactor. If bioware reduces her role in ME3 i will be pretty PO'ed.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
And I think I've figured out a reason Miranda warms up that works for me. Even the most Paragon of Paragons puts personal feelings aside and agrees to work with Cerberus, putting the mission before feelings.

That sounds quite plausible.

Ironic, really. What Paragon-ish Shepards most hate to do also makes Miranda more friendly.

[Ieldra]

Welcome, Bran187.

I do, however, have a slightly different take on the character. :

Bran187 wrote...
Miranda is a very complex charactor. She is extremly loyal (if you earn it) and she has a pretty cool back story. I always got the feeling that she was with Cerberus more because she felt like she needed to repay them for saving her and her sister then because she was a human eliteist.

She's not a human supremacist in the sense that she thinks humanity is better than other species or deserves more power by default. She's also not a xenophobe. But she certainly subscribes to some ideal of human advancement. It's how she explains her loyalty to TIM, misplaced as it may be, and she even admonishes Shepard that what he could do for humanity should guide him rather than his curiosity when the question of what to do with Legion comes up.

Her bitterness toward Shepard is really just her low self esteem being eminated out. As you get to know her, gain her loyalty and break down the whole 'im just an indebted tool to be used mindset' thats where you really get to know the real Miranda.

I think the private Miranda is different from the mission-oriented Miranda, but neither part is "unreal" or a mask. And her early attitude to Shepard - that's the very reasonable doubt that one human can really be worth the billions of credits spent to bring him back from the dead. Also note that professionally, she's quite confident, as Shepard remarks in one of the pre-romance conversations. Her insecurity only comes into play when "emotional entanglements" put her out of her depth.

Used Miranda in EVERY mission, was always the third wheel in loyalty missions. Awesome charactor. If bioware reduces her role in ME3 i will be pretty PO'ed.

A very common sentiment here My core squads in my different playthroughs: Miranda and Kasumi, Miranda and Jacob, Miranda and Mordin, Miranda and....you get the picture.

[Athayniel]

Until I got Samara, Miranda was on pretty much all my squads, then Miranda and Samara became the default team, with the two of them sharing the third wheel role whenever I was required to take someone else. =P Even on the SM I took Miranda and Samara through everything. Jack was my bubble girl. In my head-canon she was swearing under her breath every second that thing was up.

Modifié par Athayniel, 13 octobre 2011 - 09:24 .

[flemm]

Bran187 wrote...
Used Miranda in EVERY mission, was always the third wheel in loyalty missions. Awesome charactor. If bioware reduces her role in ME3 i will be pretty PO'ed.

I know the feeling

I tend to pretty much drag Miranda everywhere, to the point where, in a head-canon sort of way, I can imagine her getting a bit irritated about it.

Another loyalty mission?!? Can't you take the Krogan this time?!?! I have some work to do... He just hangs out in the cargo bay all day...

Modifié par flemm, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:14 .

[UserForFun]

To be really honest, my main squad is Miranda-Mordin.

However, there are certain situations/areas that demand different individuals, from an in-character point of view. For example, Tuchanka, I'll go with Grunt/Mordin instead. ( For Grunt's efficiency at fighting other Krogans, and Mordin's expertise of their anatomy ) For Geth-Infested areas, I'll use Garrus and Tali, or Legion instead of her. ( Garrus's expertise of dealing with Geth, and Legion.. Duh, take a wild guess. And Tali, due to her knowledge on how to disable them. )

Depends on the mission truly; Facing an overwhelming force of mercenaries..? Use ones who knows how mercs operate; Zaeed/Garrus.

Missions dealing with collectors ( Mordin/Miranda, both intimately familiar with the creatures, more than anyone else ) and Reapers. As for unknown/unpredictable missions, it would require quick assessment of situation, and adaptation, that's why Miranda/Mordin are the best. Two brilliant minds, and extremely versatile combat abilities.

There are however few that I don't use; Jack, she's too unpredictable, and can hardly be controlled. Is like having a bomb, waiting to go off at any moment, and her reckless style could jeopardize the mission. ( I still can't figure out why Tim wanted her recruited... ) Thane... He can take out any single target, but when facing two dozen Husks backed by Collectors.. Well, he won't be to efficient. Kasumi... Why would I require a damn Thief..? What she'll do, pick-pocket the Collectors? Slap them over the ears..? And Jacob... He's a nice guy, but rather lacking. He's not the most exceeding at weapons, nor a decent Biotic, nor having a great mind. ( When compared with Jacob, the majority of crew seems marry-sueish )

Samara has potential, potent biotic abilities, hundreds of years of expertise, yet she's unreliable; Not for the sake of obeying commands, but she never operated within a team, thus naturally she'll make mistakes, and I doubt is time to teach.

So, Miranda is the most useful squad-member in any given situation, but there are certain missions that would be more suitable for others.

Modifié par UserForFun, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:44 .

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
And I think I've figured out a reason Miranda warms up that works for me. Even the most Paragon of Paragons puts personal feelings aside and agrees to work with Cerberus, putting the mission before feelings.

That sounds quite plausible.

Ironic, really. What Paragon-ish Shepards most hate to do also makes Miranda more friendly.

Well, what got me was "Miranda worried you'd be resistant." So I think she might have been expecting flat refusal, rage, etc. But the most even Paragon Shep will do is complain mildly. She can work with that. It's not even impossible to turn Shepard fully to the cause. So she goes into PR mode. And isn't building a rapport part of turning someone? So she tells Shepard about herself, making sure she doesn't give any information that's actually painful. Note the difference in the way she talks about her gifts before abd after the LM. The first two conversations are professional Miranda. The loyalty mission briefings and romance exclusive conversation are private Miranda. The comversation where the romance would be triggered switches between professional and private.

And before abyone says anything, they're all the real Miranda, just in different circumstances.

[Dr. Doctor]

I never thought about this, but after spending two years and billions of credits to bring someone back from the dead only to have said person immidiately say that the organizaion you work for is evil must be a real slap in the face.

[Xilizhra]

Considering how much Miranda immersed herself in Shepard's mind for the resurrection process, I can't say that she'd find it much of a surprise.

[General User]

I agree. Miranda was the one arguing for the control chip, so I have to think she cherished a few doubts about Shepard's reaction to working with Cerberus.