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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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flemm wrote...

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On the other hand...

ME3 to have almost as much dialogue as ME1 and ME2 combined


That info seems to be based on a tweet that, as I recall, was at least partially retracted (the one about ME3 having 40,000 lines).

EDIT: Yeah, Vertigo followed up with a "Wow!" type of reaction, and Blake responded:

"Arg, not sure how many lines there are. There was around 40k in ME2 with DLC." That article seems to be mis/over-interpreting that tweet the same way posters here originally did.


Yeah, had to make sure I wasn't dreaming...jumping the gun didn't help on my end (can you blame me? ME2 came with 25k lines of dialogue, no one ever tallied up the DLCs and put that number out there for us to see)

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I have the urge to cause a little romantic mayhem with Miranda and Liara in one of my other saves. Talk me out of it. Please?

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Vertigo_1 wrote...
Yeah, had to make sure I wasn't dreaming...jumping the gun didn't help on my end (can you blame me? ME2 came with 25k lines of dialogue, no one ever tallied up the DLCs and put that number out there for us to see)


Heh, well, I think everyone reacted the same way, myself included. But I guess he just meant, "There's a lot of lines in ME3." It's pretty funny that that article, which is recent, is still citing a month-old and retracted tweet as confirmation of the number of lines in ME3.

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jtav wrote...

I have the urge to cause a little romantic mayhem with Miranda and Liara in one of my other saves. Talk me out of it. Please?


Dont do it! Please! You will only hurt yourself! XD

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I'm going to renew my call for Miranda as a s/s interest. I'm kind of floored by how man s/s supporters love her and not in a "lesbians are hot" way.


honestly, I wanted an s/s choice for Miranda in ME-3 but at that point, I hadn't played a FemShep save yet. After getting thru Freedom's Progress, I couldn't imagine her and Miranda getting together.......

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I wonder if Miranda will be catsuit Miranda again.....I wish we could get a leather jacket/low-cut-shirt/boot-cut-jean Miranda......

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CuseGirl wrote...

After getting thru Freedom's Progress, I couldn't imagine her and Miranda getting together.......


I can't imagine my FemShep with anyone else. ^_^

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FP dialogue, indeed everything right up until the LM debrief is identical between genders.

Modifié par jtav, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:01 .


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I actually rolled a femshep when I finally got around to trying out ME2 this past summer.

It was only after I got to where the romance should be that I realized I was going to have to start over. My reaction was, WTF?, and only then did I realize.

How naive I was back then. Just a few short months ago Image IPB

Modifié par flemm, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:15 .


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Bran187 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I have the urge to cause a little romantic mayhem with Miranda and Liara in one of my other saves. Talk me out of it. Please?


Dont do it! Please! You will only hurt yourself! XD


I hope it does hurt Shep. The entire point would be to see Shep get puched and the ladies to decide they were new best friends.

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jtav wrote...

FP dialogue, indeed everything right up until the LM debrief is identical between genders.


not that the dialogue mattered, its FemShep's voice I couldn't take once I finished FP. But going forward, I couldn't possibly have my FemShep with Miranda, it didn't feel right.....I dunno, maybe I just feel like a guy most of the time.....

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What are your expectations for romance? I'm not expecting much more than what we got in ME2: about 1.5 extra conversations and a love scene. I'd like to keep the fact that there are two ways (playful or earnest) to go about it, but I doubt we'll get it.

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jtav wrote...

What are your expectations for romance? I'm not expecting much more than what we got in ME2: about 1.5 extra conversations and a love scene. I'd like to keep the fact that there are two ways (playful or earnest) to go about it, but I doubt we'll get it.


Well, LotSB seems to be the model for reunions going forward. So, I actually think there will be more romance material than in previous games, if you import your save, since it should start right away.

For temporary companion-style characters, it will be interesting to see if the romance simply culminates during the one or two missions where the character is involved in the story, or whether the writers will contrive a way for the character to appear again before the final battle. I think I would rather not see this, as it would likely feel forced.

For squad members who are there for an extended period, and therefore are available to be romanced by new players, it will be interesting to see how quickly the situation basically blends into or defaults back to whatever new players are seeing.

As to how Miranda's romance is played out, I like the idea of two paths as well. It just gives me more options. For example, one path where the two characters are in love and nothing is more important to them than each other, except saving the galaxy. And one path where you basically have two workaholic types who are more invested in the ME equivalent of a career path than in romance, but who really enjoy each other's company in every sense of the word. Something for the romantic in me, and something for the cynic. That would be ideal.

EDIT: A relevant piece of information from Casey Hudson in a May 2011 Kotaku article, which I guess is originally from PC gamer, about the different paths for new and returning players:

BioWare has told PC Gamer that there are no new romance options in Mass Effect 3, the emphasis in the final game being on resolving the relationships you made in the first two titles.

“So this is more about how you, if you’re a new player, how you start these romances with the existing characters” says BioWare’s Casey Hudson. “If you’ve had relationships with previous characters, then it’s your opportunity to resolve those. And again, it’s in the context of a ‘World War II’-type setting, so you don’t really know if you’re going to survive, or what kind of a world is going to live beyond the story. So it’s kind of that situation.”

Modifié par flemm, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:40 .


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I like your cynical path better. Mayne that makes me a bad romantic.

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jtav wrote...

I like your cynical path better. Mayne that makes me a bad romantic.


I knew you would Image IPB

And I don't think so, not necessarily. I was just using the terms "romantic" and "cynical" for illustrative purposes, a bit like we sometimes use "paragon" and "renegade."

Modifié par flemm, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:47 .


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I think it's because the more traditionally romantic moments are hampered by bad delivery. Shepard/Miranda strikes me as more "I did the paperwork for you. I know how much you hate paperwork and I had some free time." instead of "I love you" even though they mean the same things.

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jtav wrote...

I think it's because the more traditionally romantic moments are hampered by bad delivery. Shepard/Miranda strikes me as more "I did the paperwork for you. I know how much you hate paperwork and I had some free time." instead of "I love you" even though they mean the same things.


Well, allowances have to be made, of course, for the fact that the writing/execution might actually suck. But I could imagine it being good. For example, in the more romantic path, I don't mean that the two characters should lose their edge. it would just be that, deep down, there would be some deep attachment there, and you could tell in various subtle ways.

Whereas, in the other path, it would be more like an enjoyable part of the ride, but the characters' main focus is elsewhere.

Modifié par flemm, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:59 .


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Um, I romanced Ash in ME1, then romanced Miri in ME2 because Ash called me a traitor and said mean things(plus I love Miri), so is there the possibility of Ash/Miri confrontation or jealousy?

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Eyeshield21 wrote...

Um, I romanced Ash in ME1, then romanced Miri in ME2 because Ash called me a traitor and said mean things(plus I love Miri), so is there the possibility of Ash/Miri confrontation or jealousy?


Probably.  I have a few playthroughs. Ashley only.  Ash/Miranda conflict and only Miranda playthrough I am working on in PS3.  Not to mention Liara playthrough I have yet to finish.

Shall be interesting. :happy:

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Well, then, I prefer your first path. But things like "What matters is how we feel" don't work. I want something closer to the "I know" of Empire Strikes Back.

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Eyeshield21 wrote...

Um, I romanced Ash in ME1, then romanced Miri in ME2 because Ash called me a traitor and said mean things(plus I love Miri), so is there the possibility of Ash/Miri confrontation or jealousy?


I am hoping that Shepard feels like a **** in my version and if they have a scene where Ash & Miri go at it? That will ****** me off because it would be completely out of character for Ashley. She is not into catfights.

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PMC65 wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...

Um, I romanced Ash in ME1, then romanced Miri in ME2 because Ash called me a traitor and said mean things(plus I love Miri), so is there the possibility of Ash/Miri confrontation or jealousy?


I am hoping that Shepard feels like a **** in my version and if they have a scene where Ash & Miri go at it? That will ****** me off because it would be completely out of character for Ashley. She is not into catfights.

There will be a consequence ... for SHEPARD. Not sure what that will be. Image IPB

Yeah, but Ash yelled at me, refused to come with me, so has to fight to win me back! Until then, Miri all the way!
As for the catfight, Paragon/Renegade option to the rescue!

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jtav wrote...
I want something closer to the "I know" of Empire Strikes Back.


I know what you mean. Basically, I would like it to be understated, but definitely present all along, and revealed at a key moment (ideally).


Eyeshield21 wrote...

Um, I romanced Ash in ME1, then romanced Miri in ME2 because Ash called me a traitor and said mean things(plus I love Miri), so is there the possibility of Ash/Miri confrontation or jealousy?



I think there will be a confrontation of some kind basically right away, but more Alliance/Cerberus focused. This would be in all games where Miranda survived the SM and likely also take place in some form if Kaidan is around instead of Ashley.

Some kind of romance-related confrontation might be in addition to that, or handled in private between Shepard and the individual characters. I'm not personally as interested in seeing that, but I guess it may be there in some form.

Modifié par flemm, 14 octobre 2011 - 01:57 .


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Eyeshield21 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...

Um, I romanced Ash in ME1, then romanced Miri in ME2 because Ash called me a traitor and said mean things(plus I love Miri), so is there the possibility of Ash/Miri confrontation or jealousy?


I am hoping that Shepard feels like a **** in my version and if they have a scene where Ash & Miri go at it? That will ****** me off because it would be completely out of character for Ashley. She is not into catfights.

There will be a consequence ... for SHEPARD. Not sure what that will be. Image IPB

Yeah, but Ash yelled at me, refused to come with me, so has to fight to win me back! Until then, Miri all the way!


I'm cool with that ... as I've always said, we all bought our games so we can play how we want to. Some people have turned their backs on the VS after Horizon and others (like me) see it as a lover's argument. It will be interesting to see what happens in ME3 and for those of us with that Ash/Miri/Shepard triangle it is almost a little scary! Image IPB

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I'm only interested in a romance confrontation if I can get Shep dumped for attempting to pull "Can I have both of you?" and the LIs becoming buddies over why men are pigs.