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[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

I promise you even the worst player in the world will get all their bases covered. So, a new tech at minimum. And they'll get more aliens than just Liara.

Pfeh. Well, I suppose there's no reason to think they'll be awful already.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I promise you even the worst player in the world will get all their bases covered. So, a new tech at minimum. And they'll get more aliens than just Liara.

Yes. Tali and Garrus. There are your tech squadmates btw.. Kaidan's one, too.

Also I don't think all the powers will be thoroughly covered by (semi)-permanent squadmates.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 octobre 2011 - 02:50 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I promise you even the worst player in the world will get all their bases covered. So, a new tech at minimum. And they'll get more aliens than just Liara.

One thing to keep in mind is that I expect more missions in ME3 to be like LotSB, where you have a prominent NPC who is with you regardless. Like Aria, for example, during the section of the game where you are helping her.

That's one of the ways the design would be able to get away with a smaller squad overall, and a very small squad in cases where the SM ended badly.

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yes. Tali and Garrus. There are your tech squadmates btw.. Kaidan's one, too.

What jtav means is that those characters won't always be there. Players who are missing a lot of returning characters will have to have sufficient resources to finish the game comfortably. How exactly that will be handled probably depends on how the squad works and what the data is on the SM.

Modifié par flemm, 14 octobre 2011 - 02:51 .

[jtav]

I specified worst player. So no Tali and Garrus. I'm guessing five or so core characters made up of people who are always there, two or three returning from ME2 (Tali, Garrus, ?) and Prothy the Prothean as DLC.

[shepskisaac]

jtav wrote...

I specified worst player. So no Tali and Garrus. I'm guessing five or so core characters made up of people who are always there, two or three returning from ME2 (Tali, Garrus, ?) and Prothy the Prothean as DLC.

I'm thinking Legion as the possible squaddie from ME2. He was introduced very late in ME2 while he was suppoused to have a much bigger role so I think they will try to implement lots of unused concepts in ME3.

But these 3 (Tali/Garrus/Legion) will be optional anyway, since they can die. VS, Vega, Liara, Prothy, new female (Sentinel-like) and probably another new alien (tech) should make the core team, covering all proffesions.

[Ieldra]

I am not at all convinced of the necessity of such an intricate class and power balance between conventional, tech and biotics. The standard starting squad (maleShep Soldier, Vega and Ashley) is already seriously over-soldiered.

DLC characters don't count, and I seriously hope we won't get a new human female. A batarian tech type, that I can see.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I am not at all convinced of the necessity of such an intricate class and power balance between conventional, tech and biotics. The standard starting squad (maleShep Soldier, Vega and Ashley) is already seriously over-soldiered.
 

Well, players tend to meta-game based on the way things worked in the past. As such, things working differently tends to be hard for us to accept until we see how they actually work. In the past, the squad tended to cover professions thoroughly, though with specific characters in ME2 those lines got blurred a bit.

That said, I agree that the intricate class balance thing may well be overblown, especially if an element of choice is involved, meaning that players will be able to unbalance the squad at will in any event.

Having prominent NPCs joining you temporarily changes the picture a lot as well, since those NPCs would have their abilities tailored to be effective in those specific areas of the game. A lot of the time, you would just be selecting the second companion.

Modifié par flemm, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:07 .

[shepskisaac]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I am not at all convinced of the necessity of such an intricate class and power balance between conventional, tech and biotics. The standard starting squad (maleShep Soldier, Vega and Ashley) is already seriously over-soldiered.

But they can't count it this way from dev perspective. For all they know, the starting squad could be Engenieer Shep, Vega & Kaidan, that would mean only 1 soldier. They need guaranteed squaddies of every profession. That's why there's Vega (in case Ash is dead), that's why I predict new female will be a Sentinel-like (in case Kaidan's dead), and that's probably why they will have to give players another new tech squaddie (in case Prothy is DLC and Tali/Legion are dead).

[Athayniel]

Ye Gods but I hope there *won't* be a prothean squaddie. I can absolutely do without that.

[flemm]

IsaacShep wrote...
But they can't count it this way from dev perspective. For all they know, the starting squad could be Engenieer Shep, Vega & Kaidan, that would mean only 1 soldier. They need guaranteed squaddies of every profession. That's why there's Vega (in case Ash is dead), that's why I predict new female will be a Sentinel-like (in case Kaidan's dead), and that's probably why they will have to give players another new tech squaddie (in case Prothy is DLC and Tali/Legion are dead).

Vanguard is missing entirely from your speculation, just as a passing thought.

[Xilizhra]

Athayniel wrote...

Ye Gods but I hope there *won't* be a prothean squaddie. I can absolutely do without that.

Actually, I would enjoy having a Prothean squadmate. That sort of thing could be fascinating.

[Athayniel]

Xilizhra wrote...

Athayniel wrote...

Ye Gods but I hope there *won't* be a prothean squaddie. I can absolutely do without that.

Actually, I would enjoy having a Prothean squadmate. That sort of thing could be fascinating.

Of course you realise... This. Means. War! A thumb war but still... *holds out his hand in the classic Vienna School grip*

[jtav]

If new female is a Sentinel, I'm going to disappear from here for a while. There'd be a riot, and perhaps justly so. And I really doubt Legion's returning as a full time squad member. They said Legion dead would be different from Legion being sold to Cerberus, and a Legion who was sold is very different from one who survived the SM.

[Ieldra]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I am not at all convinced of the necessity of such an intricate class and power balance between conventional, tech and biotics. The standard starting squad (maleShep Soldier, Vega and Ashley) is already seriously over-soldiered.

But they can't count it this way from dev perspective. For all they know, the starting squad could be Engenieer Shep, Vega & Kaidan, that would mean only 1 soldier. They need guaranteed squaddies of every profession. That's why there's Vega (in case Ash is dead), that's why I predict new female will be a Sentinel-like (in case Kaidan's dead), and that's probably why they will have to give players another new tech squaddie (in case Prothy is DLC and Tali/Legion are dead).

A new female Sentinel would absolutely destroy Miranda's chances for being more than a temp. That's why I'd hate to see it happen. It would also be a deliberate slap in the face to all Miranda fans. Yeah, a riot seems very plausible.

Besides, I do not think they will, nor should they, design from a worst-case perspective. New players will have most old squadmates alive anyway, and those who killed a lot of squadmates in the SM are (a) very rare and ( absolutely knew what they're doing. Let them reap the consequences of their well-designed failure.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:27 .

[UserForFun]

Ehm.. Isn't Liara already an adept..?

Edit. I agree, only way to kill your squad-members is if you want to. For example, in my first Playtrough, I only got Mordin.. ( Sob, sob ) killed. I didn't even knew you could get your squad-members killed, and for a loooong time, I assumed that his death was inevitable, scripted.

Modifié par UserForFun, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:31 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
 And I really doubt Legion's returning as a full time squad member. They said Legion dead would be different from Legion being sold to Cerberus, and a Legion who was sold is very different from one who survived the SM.

Re: Legion, yes, it would be different, but perhaps only different like a romance flagged game would be different from a non-romance flagged game for LI characters: in one version, he already knows you and is loyal to you, in the other, you are meeting him for the first time. This second version could also be the new player version.

I wouldn't rule Legion out as a semi-permanent option, though he could also just be a temporary companion. That's equally as plausible.

Re: A new human female sentinel, I think it is unlikely that they would introduce a new human female character who basically reproduces Miranda's abilities. It would irritate a lot of fans and feel redundant with the prior game in any event. More likely, I think, is a human female with a different configuration of abilities, and another new character who is a sentinel. The Prothean could have both tech and biotic abilities, for example.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Besides, I do not think they will, nor should they, design from a worst-case perspective.

They would have to keep it in mind, but they may very well not consider it a problem if those players have fewer options, since they basically chose to have fewer options. There just have to be enough options to finish the game comfortably. Which you can definitely do without an absolutely optimal squad configuration. Soldier-heavy squad comps with ammo powers makes this easiest, so... yeah.

Modifié par flemm, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:37 .

[shepskisaac]

Ieldra2 wrote...

A new female Sentinel would absolutely destroy Miranda's chances for being more than a temp. That's why I'd hate to see it happen. It would also be a deliberate slap in the face to all Miranda fans. Yeah, a riot seems very plausible

Not really. Tali's coming back and it's pretty granted there will be at least 1 new tech squaddie.

[Ieldra]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
A new female Sentinel would absolutely destroy Miranda's chances for being more than a temp. That's why I'd hate to see it happen. It would also be a deliberate slap in the face to all Miranda fans. Yeah, a riot seems very plausible

Not really. Tali's coming back and it's pretty granted there will be at least 1 new tech squaddie.

A new female quarian tech? Very unlikely. And apart from Quarians, humans and asari, there weren't any females in ME2. We won't get a new female quarian or asari, I'd take any bet. That leaves human, and there are already too many of them.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:47 .

[jtav]

Yeah, but I'll bet you she won't be a quarian.

[Athayniel]

IsaacShep wrote...

Not really. Tali's coming back and it's pretty granted there will be at least 1 new tech squaddie.

It's unlikely a full engineer type character would be added considering Tali and Legion are available. Her role would be secure no matter how many sentinels or infiltrator style characters were added.

[shepskisaac]

Ieldra2 wrote...

A new female quarian tech? Very unlikely.

Or maybe a new non-LI alien tech squaddie? I doubt new female & Prothy are the new squaddies other then Vega. I'm just saying that old character's proficency doesn't rule out he/she may return as a perma/major-squaddie in ME3.

Athayniel wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Not really. Tali's coming back and it's pretty granted there will be at least 1 new tech squaddie.

It's unlikely a full engineer type character would be added considering Tali and Legion are available. Her role would be secure no matter how many sentinels or infiltrator style characters were added.

That's like saying it's unlikely there will be new soldier when Ashley's available. Yet we have Vega because Ash may be dead. Just like Tali and/or Legion.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:49 .

[jtav]

And we don't have confirmation on Legion, who's a dead ringer for Tali anyway.

Combat roles that need filling:

Cryo and or Incinerate dispenser
Someone with Warp
Combat-oriented biotic/Vanguard

[Athayniel]

Wouldn't Jacob fill your Vanguard spot?

[jtav]

Theoretically, yes, but Jacob? I doubt it, unless he and Miranda are mutually exclusive.

[Athayniel]

I don't see why they would be. They are both going to be in the game as LI at the very least.