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[Eyeshield21]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
But there is hope: Either Mac Walters or Casey Hudson have said they want to tie up all loose ends as much as possible. It might not happen on-screen, but I think we'll see something happen with regard to Miranda's father. Perhaps he'll die and it's revealed he leaves everything he owns to Miranda....

So like Miranda's father feels remorse or something? Unlikely, but I've seen stuff like that in movies and such, an only a few actually worked out.

Remorse? No. It might just be that she's the best option if he wants to keep things in the family. Miranda is arguably the most competent of his daughters even should she not be the only surviving one apart from Oriana.

@flemm:
Yes, the best hope for resolving this on-screen is that her father might appear in a plot-relevant context. I would like to see this, but I would be extremely surprised if it actually happened.

oh yeah, Miri said that her father had more daughters, and that Miri was the only one he kept, though she may have been wrong about her and oriana being the only two alive. This is Miri's Dynasty loving father.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

And strangely, Jacob dies a good bit in my stories. The better to torture Miranda.

Sadly, this is the case with most of my playthroughs. Jacob always sort of seemed like he didn't really have a sense of what he wanted to do with his life, he didn't like the red tape that the Alliance surrounded him with, and he doesn't exactly like how Cerberus works without restrictions. He dislikes mercenaries because they fight for money, not for an ideal. He's the idealist to Miranda's pragmatist.

So by sending him into the vents when he volunteers at the start of the Suicide Mission lets him die so that others may live, that seems like a fitting end for his character.

[jtav]

I'm a little crueler. Miranda thinks she can do the bubble. Guess who plays the price?

No idea who'll die in my current game. Maybe no none.

[Athayniel]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...

And strangely, Jacob dies a good bit in my stories. The better to torture Miranda.

Sadly,
this is the case with most of my playthroughs. Jacob always sort of
seemed like he didn't really have a sense of what he wanted to do with
his life, he didn't like the red tape that the Alliance surrounded him
with, and he doesn't exactly like how Cerberus works without
restrictions. He dislikes mercenaries because they fight for money, not
for an ideal. He's the idealist to Miranda's pragmatist.

So by
sending him into the vents when he volunteers at the start of the
Suicide Mission lets him die so that others may live, that seems like a
fitting end for his character.

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jtav wrote...

I'm a little crueler. Miranda thinks she can do the bubble. Guess who plays the price?

No idea who'll die in my current game. Maybe no none.

You guys really know how to twist the knife. Jacob's not my favourite character but it's mostly because of his 'I've don't have any new lines in the script yet' dialogue and its implications that he forces himself to talk to Shep. I'm not a huge fan of hurt/comfort either.

[flemm]

I've always basically liked Jacob, though some of his dialogue mystifies me. Here is a character who is supposed to basically function as the reasonable, relatable guy, and yet he is so abrasive when you try to talk to him. Bizarre.

My favorite choice for him is having him lead the fire teams, which I see as basically a follow up to his loyalty mission: his father couldn't handle command, but he can. Which, incidentally, strikes me as a fairly likely blueprint for his appearance in ME3: he proves his leadership, maybe even sacrificing himself for those under his command.

Miranda being the one responsable for Jacob's death during the Long Walk is a pretty interesting choice, though.

Modifié par flemm, 15 octobre 2011 - 07:07 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Of course Jacob doesn't always die, and I don't always romance Miranda. I sort of hope that there's a chance that Jacob and Miranda can restart their relationship. This of course requires Jacob to undergo some character development inbetween ME2 and ME3. Think something along the lines of Amy Pond and Rory from Doctor Who.

[Athayniel]

I'm not a fan of Amy/Rory... She is way too much woman for him in my opinion. Call me crazy but if you've seen the Doctor Who Red Nose Day 2011 special (Part 1 and Part 2) then you'd have the same preference in ship as I do.

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...
And strangely, Jacob dies a good bit in my stories. The better to torture Miranda.

Sadly, this is the case with most of my playthroughs. Jacob always sort of seemed like he didn't really have a sense of what he wanted to do with his life, he didn't like the red tape that the Alliance surrounded him with, and he doesn't exactly like how Cerberus works without restrictions. He dislikes mercenaries because they fight for money, not for an ideal. He's the idealist to Miranda's pragmatist.

So by sending him into the vents when he volunteers at the start of the Suicide Mission lets him die so that others may live, that seems like a fitting end for his character.

Don't know what this is about you all. Jacob's the only one besides Miranda who never died in my games. He's part of my core squad together with Miranda. Squad Incendiary Ammo and Warp explosions. I don't know why people find him useless. I think he's great, gameplay-wise, if not exactly the most interesting character. Also the only male human (discounting DLC characters).

@flemm:
Yep, the Fire Teams are a good role for Jacob.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 octobre 2011 - 08:31 .

[Xilizhra]

Well, Squad Incendiary Ammo does rather less for me, as my Shepard is a Vanguard, and Warp bombs could only happen with Miranda and Thane. I can see Jacob being better for an Adept/Sentinel Shepard, though.

[flemm]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, Squad Incendiary Ammo does rather less for me, as my Shepard is a Vanguard, and Warp bombs could only happen with Miranda and Thane. I can see Jacob being better for an Adept/Sentinel Shepard, though.

I just did a playthrough as an adept a few weeks back, and I used Jacob a lot. It's very effective. Squad incendiary ammo really helps increase firepower for Shep and Miranda, and Pull gives an extra opportunity for warp bombs.

I remember having previously tried this on normal, and it was almost funny, the way you could just explode entire groups of enemies at will.

Modifié par flemm, 15 octobre 2011 - 08:37 .

[Athayniel]

All my chars tend to take Squad Warp Ammo now. Do you guys prefer incendiary to warp ammo as a rule?

[jtav]

No complaints in terms of gameplay. I just get more drama out of him dead.

[UserForFun]

When I select squad-members I simple contemplate upon the fact that if they fit or not, and if I prefer them or not.

I don't even look at their game-mechanism abilities.. I mean, are they even useful? I've got 1 and a half play troughs, both Vanguard, hardcore difficulty, and I don't even care/bother with their abilities ( Automatic use on ) just handle everything myself.

I know that isn't the way to play the game, but aren't the squad-members rather... Useless? Or is just my perspective?

[flemm]

Well, squad members get increasingly useless, unfortunately, at higher difficulties. Miranda's still good for the buff, warp and overload, though. You need to manage them more, or at least that is my experience. On Normal (and Veteran to an extent), they can basically survive and contribute without micro-management. But not so much starting on hardcore.

Edit: @ Athayniel, I actually haven't played with Warp Ammo much. Don't know how it measures up numbers-wise.

Modifié par flemm, 15 octobre 2011 - 08:46 .

[Athayniel]

UserForFun wrote...

When I select squad-members I simple contemplate upon the fact that if they fit or not, and if I prefer them or not.

I don't even look at their game-mechanism abilities.. I mean, are they even useful? I've got 1 and a half play troughs, both Vanguard, hardcore difficulty, and I don't even care/bother with their abilities ( Automatic use on ) just handle everything myself.

I know that isn't the way to play the game, but aren't the squad-members rather... Useless? Or is just my perspective?

Perhaps if you don't order them about they're relatively useless. If you use them well you can really do some damage.

[Dr. Doctor]

 My usual squad consists of my Infiltator Shepard, Miranda, and Jack  The combination of Jack's Squad Warp Ammo ability combined with Miranda's Cerberus Leader ability increase the squad's  weapons damage by 50%. This means that Shepard's  Widow rifle can deal 552 DPS per shot.

The other combination that works well is using Pull on a target and then having Miranda use Slam, the end result does more damage than Slam does by itself.

[Ieldra]

You know to the point how much damage your Widow does? Uh....that's scary.

[Ieldra]

BTW, what do you all think Miranda thinks about the decisions on Legion's LM and Mordin's LM?

IMO she'd recommend destroying the Heretics, and I'm of a mind to let my Shepard listen to her because he doesn't have a strong opinion in the matter.

She would also agree with the Genophage but at the same time, keep the data about the cure just to keep future options open. That would be in line with Cyrus Shepard's guideline to never destroy any information if he can avoid it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 octobre 2011 - 09:23 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You know to the point how much damage your Widow does? Uh....that's scary.

I don't know lol... That type of talk is pretty much par for the course in a lot gaming forums. Here it's more angst and character arcs and romance and stuff. Which I do enjoy.
But it's almost reassuring to hear someone quoting dps numbers. So much less messy

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW, what do you all think Miranda thinks about the decisions on Legion's LM and Mordin's LM?

I think: keep the data and destroy the heretics. Which is what I tend to do.

Modifié par flemm, 15 octobre 2011 - 09:27 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You know to the point how much damage your Widow does? Uh....that's scary.

I'm an engineering student, so memorizing numbers is just force of habit. On the whole "what would Miranda say" subject, I was a littlle disappointed that Shepard didn't have the ability to ask for the squad's opinion on decisions. Miranda is Shepard's XO, she's there to advise the commanding officer, she's the Spock to Shepard's Kirk in more ways than one.

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW, what do you all think Miranda thinks about the decisions on Legion's LM and Mordin's LM?

IMO she'd recommend destroying the Heretics, and I'm of a mind to let my Shepard listen to her because he doesn't have a strong opinion in the matter.

She would also agree with the Genophage but at the same time, keep the data about the cure just to keep future options open. That would be in line with Cyrus Shepard's guideline to never destroy any information if he can avoid it.

I think the same about Miranda's opinions about those missions.
About Jacob, I think it could be useful in combat, but I generally change my squad in every mission. Though I use Mordin and Miranda more time than the other.
About him as a character, I like him, but I like a lot of squadmates more. Though I'm interested in his part in ME3.

[jtav]

Huh. I just found out the dialogue objecting to Miranda leading the fireteam is canned. Hmm.

She leans toward destroying the geth in Legion's LM. "Legion's geth may become a problem." I'll say that she goes Paragon on Mordin's LM. I can see the sight of the female krogan hitting close to home and moving her to compassion. She'll insist it was for strategic reasons to her dying day, though.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Huh. I just found out the dialogue objecting to Miranda leading the fireteam is canned. Hmm.

What does that mean?

[Shotokanguy]

^What do you mean the dialogue is "canned"?

I'm surprised you guys say she'd destroy the heretics. The first time I did that mission, I had a hard time seeing the upside to destroying them. I know, the geth could always turn on you or revert back to being heretics, but with nothing to go off of other than what ifs, the brainwashing seems much smarter, and the choice Miranda would go with.

[flemm]

Shotokanguy wrote...
I'm surprised you guys say she'd destroy the heretics. The first time I did that mission, I had a hard time seeing the upside to destroying them. I know, the geth could always turn on you or revert back to being heretics, but with nothing to go off of other than what ifs, the brainwashing seems much smarter, and the choice Miranda would go with.

Well, the risky part of brainwashing is what Legion says about re-integrating the heretics potentially impacting the other geth. Basically you have a group of geth who are friendly and who oppose the Reapers, and a group who are hostile and allied to the Reapers. Seems like destroying one and preserving the other is a better choice than brainwashing one and risking the allegiance of the other.

That's without even bringing in the question of the morality of the brainwashing/reprogramming.

I feel like Miranda would say: eliminate the risk, protect the known ally.

The upside of the other choice is mainly swelling the ranks of your ally. So, there is benefit there. But it feels like the riskier choice.

Modifié par flemm, 15 octobre 2011 - 11:27 .