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[jtav]

It's generic. Someone will always say it, even if you kill of people who can't be dead yet.

And Miranda is cautious. Killing the heretics is the less risky option.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

It's generic. Someone will always say it, even if you kill of people who can't be dead yet.

Ok, yeah, that makes sense. It would need to be that way for the scene to function, or at least it feels like the easiest way to design it.

Modifié par flemm, 15 octobre 2011 - 11:30 .

[Eyeshield21]

Hey I'm back, so what debate about Miri are we talking about now?

[flemm]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

Hey I'm back, so what debate about Miri are we talking about now?

What she would recommend on Legion and Mordin's loyalty missions, most recently

[Eyeshield21]

flemm wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...

Hey I'm back, so what debate about Miri are we talking about now?

What she would recommend on Legion and Mordin's loyalty missions, most recently

probably say that they need to keep the cure and rewrite the geth, cause like her former boss, wants them ONLY as forces to fight the reapers(though now TIM want to kill everyone by joining the reapers).
Somehow I'm expecting pessimism from somebody, I don't know, or random happiness...

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 15 octobre 2011 - 11:50 .

[jtav]

We were discussing Miranda's questionable people skills elsewhere, but it made me realize something. She has the loyalty of her crew. Notice that it's "Shepard AND Lawson are on it" and apparently she will move the family of a crew member even after TIM said no. She's a hard person to like but I'd rather serve under her than any other squaddie.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

More Perfection, hopefully returning in the best possible way when March comes along.




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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 15 octobre 2011 - 11:49 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

We were discussing Miranda's questionable people skills elsewhere, but it made me realize something. She has the loyalty of her crew. Notice that it's "Shepard AND Lawson are on it" and apparently she will move the family of a crew member even after TIM said no.

That's from some of the ambient conversations between crew members on the Normandy, as I recall? I agree those are interesting details.

Modifié par flemm, 15 octobre 2011 - 11:52 .

[Eyeshield21]

jtav wrote...

We were discussing Miranda's questionable people skills elsewhere, but it made me realize something. She has the loyalty of her crew. Notice that it's "Shepard AND Lawson are on it" and apparently she will move the family of a crew member even after TIM said no. She's a hard person to like but I'd rather serve under her than any other squaddie.

Why is it whenever I hear the serving under you line, it reminds me of that funny comment Donnic said to Aveline in DA2?
Also agree with Jtav.(though I would like Miri to serve under me)

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 16 octobre 2011 - 12:08 .

[Xilizhra]

Do you think Miranda only introduces herself as Shepard's second-in-command to Jack as an attempt to quickly assert some kind of dominance against someone she suspected would be trouble? Because as far as I know, she has no authority over any of my other squadmates except maybe Jacob, unless I say otherwise. Maybe over the rest of the crew...

[jtav]

She wouldn't lie about something so easily disproven. She's XO of the Normandy and head of Lazarus ship. On the ship, she's 2IC and in charge of personnel/admin. On the ground, it's whoever can get the squad to listen.

[jtav]

double post.

Modifié par jtav, 16 octobre 2011 - 12:22 .

[flemm]

Xilizhra wrote...

Do you think Miranda only introduces herself as Shepard's second-in-command to Jack as an attempt to quickly assert some kind of dominance against someone she suspected would be trouble? Because as far as I know, she has no authority over any of my other squadmates except maybe Jacob, unless I say otherwise. Maybe over the rest of the crew...

She's the first officer of the ship. But the squadmates don't really serve on the ship or have any real function as part of the crew, other than Jacob. And Mordin, who seems to be on good terms with Miranda and is cool with working with Cerberus. A few contribute upgrades. I think there's room for you to imagine/roleplay it pretty much however you wanted, especially where squad members like Jack and Tali are concerned (very anti-Cerberus).

The only occasion I can think of off the top of my head where she has pretty clearly given orders to the crew without Shepard's knowledge is organizing the mission in the shuttle while the Reaper IFF is being installed. But there might be a couple of others.

Modifié par flemm, 16 octobre 2011 - 12:28 .

[Xilizhra]

I admit to being mildly irked if I can't change that, but eh. I suppose she works in the role, I just wanted it to be my choice; I admit to being somewhat nervous in-character that Miranda would try to undermine my authority if it proved inconvenient for Cerberus (something that I definitely intended).

[jtav]

Millitary officers normally don't get to choose their XO. That's assigned by command. Same principle applies.

[jtav]

It strikes me that Miranda is what happens when you take the A Father to His Men trope and strip away the approachability. She may be willing to sacrifice her people if there's no other way, but she's furious at the deaths on Lazarus and happy when the crew survives if you do send an escort. She will do all she can for her people and puts herself at risk alongside them.

[Xilizhra]

She's rather quick to abandon the people on Lazarus Station, though.

[Andaius20]

[jtav]

Xilizhra wrote...

She's rather quick to abandon the people on Lazarus Station, though.

And angry about it. "A lot of people lost their lives on that station. I just hope it was worth it."

[Quething]

"If they're not here, they're not coming."

She figures they're dead already, there's no one left to abandon. It may be a fair assessment; Jacob and Wilson both seem quite shocked to become aware of each other, and you don't know how long the attack's been going when you wake up or what lengths each of the three have been going to trying to contact anyone else on the station.

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She's rather quick to abandon the people on Lazarus Station, though.

And angry about it. "A lot of people lost their lives on that station. I just hope it was worth it."

Well, she does see people as something other than tools. I wonder what she thinks TIM sees people as, because I doubt that's a trait she shares with him.

[jtav]

As I said, she's the last I'd want for a friend, but my first choice for my CO.

In terms of command style, she and Shepard complement each other beautifully. Shepard is the beloved charismatic leader while Miranda is the disciplinarian and handler of the day-to-day minutia.

[Xilizhra]

Is Miranda really a disciplinarian? Both times we see that, it's Shepard playing the role. I suppose she'd sort out issues happening among the crew. She is good at the day-to-day minutia; I can't imagine Shepard having much aptitude or desire for that.

[Quething]

Well, main!Shep read her as the ship's political officer from jump, and that's pretty much flavored my perception of her since (particularly because it's clear the squad also sees her that way). She's definitely good at paperwork and reports - summarizing a mission, putting a spin on it, keeping the higher-ups satisfied, and keeping an eye on the crew's behavior and attitude - but I'm not sure how much of that is useful to a Spectre (Shepard especially), particularly in the XO capacity, which is largely the "intermediary between captain and crew" job.

Though her esteem by the Cerberus crew is a good point. If they trust her, it's certainly a mark of competence in the XO role.

Modifié par Quething, 16 octobre 2011 - 01:53 .

[Xilizhra]

So Miranda is basically the commissar?