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[Golden Owl]

flemm wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
It will be very interesting to see...I am hoping BW has maybe been able to account for quite a number of outcomes.

Tbh, I think the three versions will be:

Dead, Alive, and Alive + Romance Flag. But you're right, it will be interesting to see. With Miranda there is more room for doubt and multiple scenarios than for the other characters.

Considering what I did with my Paragade in regards to Miranda and a few others...I really do hope there's more...but your most likely right....And yes, there are a ton of opportunities with Miranda, I agree.

[jtav]

I've don it both ways. I feel like crap when I go Renegade. I had every intention of going Renegade this time, but I couldn't do it. Stupid, weak jtav.

And I suspect there will be differences between keeping and destroying the base, with only a little less variance than what you'll get if romanced. I'm not expecting more than 3-4 minutes of romance content. (The ME2 romance is about 5-6 minutes long, for comparison)

[flemm]

Golden Owl wrote...
I just couldn't do it...seemed way too cruel...He does eventually burn her savagely in another way, but couldn't deny Miranda her sister....But question is, have any of you not encouraged Miranda to speak with her sister?...And how did that make you feel?

I have done it on a save or two. It's sad, but it also shows how selfless Miranda is in certain respects, that she's willing to do all this for her sister without any type of thanks at all. So I think it's a good option, though I do slightly prefer the other one. There's that great emotional scene if you go the Paragon route.

Modifié par flemm, 21 octobre 2011 - 02:12 .

[Golden Owl]

Skullheart wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Another question: I recently finished my Paragade export for ME3 (though thinking of re-doing for other reasons entirely)...I RP'ed my Paragde Shep to vehmently hate Cerberus and anybody supporting Cerberus, so including Miranda. He does her LM and I was originally going to have him not encourage Miranda to speak with her sister (his reasoning, protect Oriana from her sister) but the crack in his voice when he says "Okay" and the extreme sadness on Miranda's face had me reload...I just couldn't do it...seemed way too cruel...He does eventually burn her savagely in another way, but couldn't deny Miranda her sister....But question is, have any of you not encouraged Miranda to speak with her sister?...And how did that make you feel?

If u Shepard hates Miranda, then why should you care that? 

My own feeling's about the situation got in the way......I can play a partial b*stard, but not that much of one...his renegade score is testament to that also, pretty damned Paragon for a Paragade......tis' pretty sad and embarrassing actually....

[Golden Owl]

flemm wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
I just couldn't do it...seemed way too cruel...He does eventually burn her savagely in another way, but couldn't deny Miranda her sister....But question is, have any of you not encouraged Miranda to speak with her sister?...And how did that make you feel?

I have done it on a save or two. It's sad, but it also shows how selfless Miranda is in certain respects, that she's willing to do all this for her sister without any type of thanks at all. So I think it's a good option, though I do slightly prefer the other one. There's that great emotional scene if you go the Paragon route.

In all honesty Flemm, I'm an idealist and would really hope that the high majority of people would do this anyway.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 21 octobre 2011 - 02:19 .

[Golden Owl]

jtav wrote...

I've don it both ways. I feel like crap when I go Renegade. I had every intention of going Renegade this time, but I couldn't do it. Stupid, weak jtav.

And I suspect there will be differences between keeping and destroying the base, with only a little less variance than what you'll get if romanced. I'm not expecting more than 3-4 minutes of romance content. (The ME2 romance is about 5-6 minutes long, for comparison)

If your weak, I'm pathetic...LOL....

My Paragade romance one is what I'm most intrigued by in regards to Miranda and a few others as to outcomes in ME3...he romanced Miranda, engine room, etc...but saved Jacks LM until after the SM and sided with Jack.

[flemm]

Golden Owl wrote...
In all honesty Flemm, I an idealist and would really hope that the high majority of people would do this anyway.

I dunno. They've never even met. And it would have been easy for Miranda to tell herself: well, it's not like she's living in poverty or anything.

I think you could probably argue it the other way, where Oriana is basically an extension of her rebellion against her father. (Which is one of the reasons I like the paragon scene, since it undermines that interpretation.)

Modifié par flemm, 21 octobre 2011 - 02:20 .

[Golden Owl]

jreezy wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
My own feeling's about the situation got in the way......I can play a partial b*stard, but not that much of one...his renegade score is testament to that also, pretty damned Paragon for a Paragade......tis' pretty sad and embarrassing actually....

Ah yes, feelings. They do sometimes get in the way of plans. Feelings is one of the reasons why I can never turn down Tali after starting the romance with her.

...And so why I never activate the "It must be difficult living in a suit" dialog with Tali.....Yes, I'm a wimp, I don't want to shoot her down...

[Ravensword]

Golden Owl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
My own feeling's about the situation got in the way......I can play a partial b*stard, but not that much of one...his renegade score is testament to that also, pretty damned Paragon for a Paragade......tis' pretty sad and embarrassing actually....

Ah yes, feelings. They do sometimes get in the way of plans. Feelings is one of the reasons why I can never turn down Tali after starting the romance with her.

...And so why I never activate the "It must be difficult living in a suit" dialog with Tali.....Yes, I'm a wimp, I don't want to shoot her down...

Ah, but when I activate that diallogue w/ Tali whilst playing as FemShep, Tali shoots her down.

[Golden Owl]

flemm wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
In all honesty Flemm, I an idealist and would really hope that the high majority of people would do this anyway.

I dunno. They've never even met. And it would have been easy for Miranda to tell herself: well, it's not like she's living in poverty or anything.

I think you could probably argue it the other way, where Oriana is basically an extension of her rebellion against her father. (Which is one of the reasons I like the paragon scene, since it undermines that interpretation.)

Actually I think it was more Miranda over Oriana who needed the contact, Oriana is Miranda's contact with an outside normal world which Miranda has always been denied....Funnily, your mention of Miranda's possible rebellious intentions, I think it is well known by now my strong aversion to Miranda, but I would never have thought of accusing her of that, I don't feel she is quite that callous.

[Golden Owl]

Ravensword wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
My own feeling's about the situation got in the way......I can play a partial b*stard, but not that much of one...his renegade score is testament to that also, pretty damned Paragon for a Paragade......tis' pretty sad and embarrassing actually....

Ah yes, feelings. They do sometimes get in the way of plans. Feelings is one of the reasons why I can never turn down Tali after starting the romance with her.

...And so why I never activate the "It must be difficult living in a suit" dialog with Tali.....Yes, I'm a wimp, I don't want to shoot her down...

Ah, but when I activate that diallogue w/ Tali whilst playing as FemShep, Tali shoots her down.

OUCH!...Samara .2?....

[flemm]

Golden Owl wrote...
Funnily, your mention of Miranda's possible rebellious intentions, I think it is well known by now my strong aversion to Miranda, but I would never have thought of accusing her of that, I don't feel she is quite that callous.

I don't think it's really a question of callousness. Just a reality that sometimes people are driven by a variety of more or less conscious motives, i.e. she believes she is doing what's best for Oriana, and that might even actually be true, but the strength of her drive to intervene could come partly from her own rebellion. It's psychologically plausible.

However, the paragon scene does show that Miranda is interested in Oriana the individual, as opposed to just Oriana the symbol.

Golden Owl wrote...
Actually I think it was more Miranda over Oriana who needed the contact, Oriana is Miranda's contact with an outside normal world which Miranda has always been denied...

Here again, I'm not sure. Oriana may have a more normal life than Miranda, but only because Miranda has arranged for that to happen. So, to the extent that their relationship allows them to experience a more normal life, then the responsability for that is mutual.

Modifié par flemm, 21 octobre 2011 - 02:38 .

[Ravensword]

Golden Owl wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
My own feeling's about the situation got in the way......I can play a partial b*stard, but not that much of one...his renegade score is testament to that also, pretty damned Paragon for a Paragade......tis' pretty sad and embarrassing actually....

Ah yes, feelings. They do sometimes get in the way of plans. Feelings is one of the reasons why I can never turn down Tali after starting the romance with her.

...And so why I never activate the "It must be difficult living in a suit" dialog with Tali.....Yes, I'm a wimp, I don't want to shoot her down...

Ah, but when I activate that diallogue w/ Tali whilst playing as FemShep, Tali shoots her down.

OUCH!...Samara .2?....

Don't rub it in. Shepard is used to having her whole squad fall in love w/ her and when one person shoots her down, it's completely devastating (especially when dat Quarian was the one to break her heart.) And not Samra rejects Shep as well. My FemShep is currently on suicide watch, courtesy of EDI.

[jtav]

And more photos. By no means all, but these are the ones I could clean up first.

[Golden Owl]

flemm wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
Funnily, your mention of Miranda's possible rebellious intentions, I think it is well known by now my strong aversion to Miranda, but I would never have thought of accusing her of that, I don't feel she is quite that callous.

I don't think it's really a question of callousness. Just a reality that sometimes people are driven by a variety of more or less conscious motives, i.e. she believes she is doing what's best for Oriana, and that might even actually be true, but the strength of her drive to intervene could come partly from her own rebellion. It's psychologically plausible.

However, the paragon scene does show that Miranda is interested in Oriana the individual, as opposed to just Oriana the symbol.

That is a brilliant point Flemm...I haven't put enough thought into this and given my interest in the human condition, I should have seen it...Thank you for putting me on my toes......A lot of it would really all come down to the truth about her father huh?.....Something I am hoping to find out more about in ME3...as it stands Miranda's relationship to her father, motives to her reactions and who he is remains rather ambiguous.

[flemm]

Golden Owl wrote...
A lot of it would really all come down to the truth about her father huh?.....Something I am hoping to find out more about in ME3...as it stands Miranda's relationship to her father, motives to her reactions and who he is remains rather ambiguous.

Yes, everything surrounding her father is ambiguous. It's something a lot of us would like to find out more about in ME3.
@jtav, wow, you're really coming through in the pics department! Thanks

That last one is always a favorite of mine, whenever a version of it is posted.

Modifié par flemm, 21 octobre 2011 - 02:46 .

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[enayasoul]

Skullheart wrote...

I took me a time but I fixed the problem with this sig...



So, you like it or not?

I like!!! Nice job!

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

And more photos. By no means all, but these are the ones I could clean up first.

:wub:One of my favorite moments:wub:.

[CrutchCricket]

That last picture... beautiful.

Thanks for posting that jtav.

[jtav]

And I have dipped a cautious toe back in the world of Miranda's romance. My first thought post-LM is that Miranda is very good at reading people, but the writers didn't quite hit the mark. The "glad to see there's a person under there" line was clearly intended as a subtle come-on. Miranda immediately recognizes it for what it is and rejects him with great tenderness and regret (the regret is what's going to save Shep's later advances from being a sexual harassment suit waiting to happen). However, the line as written doesn't feel very much like a come-on and I'd be screaming about ninjamance if I didn't know the dialogue so well. And, Shep, she was no less a person before all this. Honest.

But I liked Miranda's response. "The mission's too important to let personal feelings interfere." But she isn't cold about it. Oh no. You can *feel* her gentleness and wistfukness as she turns him down. And who would have ever thought Lazarus!Miranda could be gentle? For at least this one moment, the two halves of Miranda's personality are in concert. And have I mentioned Strahovski can be a really good VA on occasion? And this is one.

So, it...half works?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri was stuck in the God forsaken Lazarus Station in Deep Space for 2 long years. What did she do, other than bring us back to life, to keep herself sane?

This I think is a good question, because it reflects reality as well. The Astronauts have to do this to stay sane when they are trapped in that damn space station, it's worse for them, because of our primitive space tech; no artificial gravity, weapons, etc. We suck. D:

Again, what did Miri do to help keep herself sane?

A Mirimancer/Mirimaniac such as myself cannot help but worry. 

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 octobre 2011 - 04:08 .