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[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...
I stand corrected. Still, not exactly preferred reading material for those obsessed with human dominance, unless she is concerned with the asari stranglehold on galactic haute couture...

Seems like a very valid concern to me. All women in the game wear the same bloody dress. Clearly, the asari are making a fortune.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...
Subscription Activated: After Dark Fashions

Giggity

MisterJB wrote...
Vid Book Purchased: "Men are from Omega, Women are from Illium."

O.O

MisterJB wrote...
While we cannot firmly attribute the cause of the benign neoplasm to the irregularity in your genetic makeup, we can confirm that the progressive damage renders you unable to conceive a child.[/i]
Makes me really uncomfortable.

Why do I always have to be reminded? It's already painful enough.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 octobre 2011 - 03:49 .

[drwells123]

jtav wrote...

Would it be arrogant to say the writer of the LOTSB doissier (Jay Turner, I believe, definitely not Weekes) didn't get her character? It's just such a complete mess, even without the infertility. Game!Miranda was abrasive but definitely socially functional. The dossier!Miranda has social skills about on Legion's level. Even Oriana reads wrong, closer to sixteen than nineteen.

That, or they were perhaps more interested in being cute than fleshing out her character (as was the point with several of them, I'd say). TIM's little adventures strike me as a false note as well. OTOH Garrus' and Jack's dossiers add something to their characters, I think.

Modifié par drwells123, 22 octobre 2011 - 03:52 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
Seems like a very valid concern to me. All women in the game wear the same bloody dress. Clearly, the asari are making a fortune.

Damn, you're right. This could actually be a more serious concern than I had originally thought...

[jtav]

Add in the "Subscription Cancelled: Biological Research Quarterly" and you have mine. I start getting flashbacks to old Harlequins where the career woman doesn't *really* want her job and will throw it away for marriage and kids the second the hero shows up. Silly little feminists. Everyone knows girls really want boys and clothes, not the pesky career and power.

I'm touchy about this, but only because this kind of thinking was reinforced consistently in the media I had growing up.

[jtav]

MisterJB wrote...

flemm wrote...
I stand corrected. Still, not exactly preferred reading material for those obsessed with human dominance, unless she is concerned with the asari stranglehold on galactic haute couture...

Seems like a very valid concern to me. All women in the game wear the same bloody dress. Clearly, the asari are making a fortune.

You're very lucky I wasn't drinking anything.

[jtav]

drwells123 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Would it be arrogant to say the writer of the LOTSB doissier (Jay Turner, I believe, definitely not Weekes) didn't get her character? It's just such a complete mess, even without the infertility. Game!Miranda was abrasive but definitely socially functional. The dossier!Miranda has social skills about on Legion's level. Even Oriana reads wrong, closer to sixteen than nineteen.

That, or they were perhaps more interested in being cute than fleshing out her character (as was the point with several of them, I'd say). TIM's little adventures strike me as a false note as well. OTOH Garrus' and Jack's dossiers add something to their characters, I think.

One little problem: the infertility is played dead straight.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
One little problem: the infertility is played dead straight.

The infertility is big news, yeah. The rest of it is easier to write off as poorly handled fluff. But not so much that detail.

Of course, it could be ignored along with the rest of it. But it's harder to imagine why it would have been introduced in the first place if the goal was just to be cute and/or mildly intriguing, as is the case elsewhere in the dossiers.

Modifié par flemm, 22 octobre 2011 - 04:20 .

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

Add in the "Subscription Cancelled: Biological Research Quarterly" and you have mine. I start getting flashbacks to old Harlequins where the career woman doesn't *really* want her job and will throw it away for marriage and kids the second the hero shows up. Silly little feminists. Everyone knows girls really want boys and clothes, not the pesky career and power.

I'm touchy about this, but only because this kind of thinking was reinforced consistently in the media I had growing up.

Now, none of these dossiers have time stamps but I sort of figured that the "Biological Research Quarterly" cancellation was in respose to the completion of the Lazarus Project. Considering that she was the lead scientist on the project it would make sense that she would be reading a journal devoted to cutting edge medical technology and techniques. 

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

I'm a woman in her early 20s and is still pursuing her degree in business. Although I don't intend to give up my planned career the moment I marry my boyfriend and just stay at home and have kids, I still fully intend to marry, settle down and have children. While still having a career of my own. I don't see why Miranda wouldn't do the same as me. As a matter of fact, she'd probably go challenge accepted.

Jtav, I seriously think that your mind is too one dimensional sometimes.

[Errol Dnamyx]

jtav wrote...

Add in the "Subscription Cancelled: Biological Research Quarterly" and you have mine. I start getting flashbacks to old Harlequins where the career woman doesn't *really* want her job and will throw it away for marriage and kids the second the hero shows up. Silly little feminists. Everyone knows girls really want boys and clothes, not the pesky career and power.

I'm touchy about this, but only because this kind of thinking was reinforced consistently in the media I had growing up.

Huh, I thought the goal of the feminist movement was to give women the power to decide for themselves. And the one thing is in no way better or worse than the other...

[Ieldra]

Here's the short version, Katie: we don't want Miranda to suffer from Badass Decay. Whatever the price.

@jtav:
It isn't arrogant if it's true. Whenever I read Miranda's LotSB dossier, I get the sense that whoever wrote it didn't get her. Tbh, I get that even in the chat transcript with Oriana. Perhaps it was an attempt at humorous exaggeration, but it didn't work for me.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
 The tangent I went off on was from something I read on Vega and how he was there for new players.

That is how Vega has been described, yes. Not as "worldy" as many of the other characters, and intended to represent players who are new to the series. Meaning I guess that he will be the one who doesn't know who the returning characters are, doesn't know what is going on with the Reapers and Protheans, etc., thus becoming a source of helpful exposition and a sort of comforting confusion that new players may relate to.

After Miranda has rejoined Shepard:

Vega: Sir, are you sure you want that woman on your ship?
Shepard: Yes. Why?
Vega: Erm....I mean.....her outfit doesn't exactly convey confidence in her abilities. Except....er...you know.
Shepard: This woman brought me back from the dead. And while we're at it, I mean that literally.
Vega: ...
Shepard: And she pulled me up into the Normany at the Collector station. Without her, I would be dead twice over. As for her skills, I wouldn't bet against her in a sparring match against you.
Vega *looks over at Miranda*: I might take you up on that, sir.

some time later:

Vega *nursing a bruised shoulder*: You didn't tell me she was a biotic.
Shepard: You didn't think to ask around about her abilities? Ask Chakwas, for instance?
Vega *looking sheepish*: No, sir. My fault.
Shepard: Well, she asked around about you. In fact, at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if she knew your Alliance dossier better than you do. Including the classified parts.
Vega: Point taken, sir.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 octobre 2011 - 09:33 .

[Ieldra]

Here's another old favorite you don't usually get with Miranda in her loyalty outfit. Which version do you like better:




And...pardon me, but...

[naledgeborn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

After Miranda has rejoined Shepard:

Vega: Sir, are you sure you want that woman on your ship?
Shepard: Yes. Why?
Vega: Erm....I mean.....her outfit doesn't exactly convey confidence in her abilities. Except....er...you know.
Shepard: This woman brought me back from the dead. And while we're at it, I mean that literally.
Vega: ...
Shepard: And she pulled me up into the Normany at the Collector station. Without her, I would be dead twice over. As for her skills, I wouldn't bet against her in a sparring match against you.
Vega *looks over at Miranda*: I might take you up on that, sir.

some time later:

Vega *nursing a bruised shoulder*: You didn't tell me she was a biotic.
Shepard: You didn't think to ask around about her abilities? Ask Chakwas, for instance?
Vega *looking sheepish*: No, sir. My fault.
Shepard: Well, she asked around about you. In fact, at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if she knew your Alliance dossier better than you do. Including the classified parts.
Vega: Point taken, sir.

 Not bad. And I'm sure she could kick his ass. If not by force or skill then by subtlety. 

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's another old favorite you don't usually get with Miranda in her loyalty outfit. Which version do you like better:

*snip*

Tough call. Top one, I guess. Both are pretty awesome.

Re: Your dialogue, nice job. And, yeah, just one more reason I'd like to see Miranda on the Normandy in ME3.

Modifié par flemm, 22 octobre 2011 - 01:16 .

[jtav]

@Ieldra: both?

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...

After Miranda has rejoined Shepard:

Vega: Sir, are you sure you want that woman on your ship?
Shepard: Yes. Why?
Vega: Erm....I mean.....her outfit doesn't exactly convey confidence in her abilities. Except....er...you know.
Shepard: This woman brought me back from the dead. And while we're at it, I mean that literally.
Vega: ...
Shepard: And she pulled me up into the Normany at the Collector station. Without her, I would be dead twice over. As for her skills, I wouldn't bet against her in a sparring match against you.
Vega *looks over at Miranda*: I might take you up on that, sir.

some time later:

Vega *nursing a bruised shoulder*: You didn't tell me she was a biotic.
Shepard: You didn't think to ask around about her abilities? Ask Chakwas, for instance?
Vega *looking sheepish*: No, sir. My fault.
Shepard: Well, she asked around about you. In fact, at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if she knew your Alliance dossier better than you do. Including the classified parts.
Vega: Point taken, sir.

Excellent:lol: I wanted to add to it but I'm coming up blank. Oh in the meantime this does bring a question to mind. Do you think Miranda has any martial arts/ advanced CQC training? It doesn't seem all that practical or useful in a world of biotics, guns that have nigh infinite ammo and crazy strong armor/shields. On the other hand Shepard does have some cool takedowns, particularly at Afterlife during Samara's loyalty mission that may have been part of his N7 training and then there's the "turian cooldown" methods. So it's not unfeasible.

I think she does. Maybe not a traditional form like kung-fu or anything. But it makes sense that "engineered to be perfect" might include "able to kick ass hand to hand'.

Also love dem pics!!

[Athayniel]

jtav wrote...

My MaleShep will be doing pretty much what Miranda asks of him. She is his motivation at this point.

This is also a rather ruthless playthrough. Would you guys leave Samara nd Thane unrecruited or kill them? I've reached the point where I want the part of the game that isn't the romance to be over.

I'm completely biased where Samara is concerned so I could never advocate for her death. I am completely ambivalent towards Thane however. I think his LM is the only mission I've ever taken him on.

[naledgeborn]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Oh in the meantime this does bring a question to mind. Do you think Miranda has any martial arts/ advanced CQC training? It doesn't seem all that practical or useful in a world of biotics, guns that have nigh infinite ammo and crazy strong armor/shields. On the other hand Shepard does have some cool takedowns, particularly at Afterlife during Samara's loyalty mission that may have been part of his N7 training and then there's the "turian cooldown" methods. So it's not unfeasible.

I think she does. Maybe not a traditional form like kung-fu or anything. But it makes sense that "engineered to be perfect" might include "able to kick ass hand to hand'.

Definitely. Quick takedowns would be her thing. Mixed martial arts focused on incapacitating or disarming an enemy. Agile type stuff, practical over flashy. Probably not the type of stuff found in the wuxia genre, but just as deadly.

[Ieldra]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

jtav wrote...

Add in the "Subscription Cancelled: Biological Research Quarterly" and you have mine. I start getting flashbacks to old Harlequins where the career woman doesn't *really* want her job and will throw it away for marriage and kids the second the hero shows up. Silly little feminists. Everyone knows girls really want boys and clothes, not the pesky career and power.

I'm touchy about this, but only because this kind of thinking was reinforced consistently in the media I had growing up.

Huh, I thought the goal of the feminist movement was to give women the power to decide for themselves. And the one thing is in no way better or worse than the other...

There's some kind of implicit modernized sexism at work here. In the bad old days, people said women shouldn't do anything but family and home and look good. You can't say that anymore, so the modernized version takes the form: "In their deepest hearts, women don't want to do anything but family and home and look good".

The combination of cancelling a scientific journal and subscribing to a fashion magazine *instead* feeds that stereotype, and it's one that has appeared in so many stories, TV shows etc.. that every instance is galling. The mere hint that Bioware might write Miranda to fit that stereotype sends jtav and me up the wall. In fact, I do not understand why it doesn't send more people up the wall.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Do you think Miranda has any martial arts/ advanced CQC training? [...] I think she does. Maybe not a traditional form like kung-fu or anything. But it makes sense that "engineered to be perfect" might include "able to kick ass hand to hand'.

Absolutely. She's trained in spycraft and such things, and that includes dealing with situations where you don't have any weapons. In my headcanon, something you could call biotics-enhanced martial arts is actually her best combat skill.

[Dr. Doctor]

It doesn't send me up the wall because I don't really put much stock in the dossiers, we don't see the character acting in the way depicted in the dossier, therefore for storytelling purposes it's not that important.

The other thing is that I've only read the dossier in one playthrough of LOTSB, mostly because my Shepards who romance Miranda figure that if there was anything in there that she wanted to tell him about, she would tell him about it. 

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The mere hint that Bioware might write Miranda to fit that stereotype sends jtav and me up the wall. In fact, I do not understand why it doesn't send more people up the wall.

I get why it would, but I think the evidence is pretty slim so far that we will see that. The dossier is just not coherent enough overall to make me think Miranda's personality will be completely reworked.

For example, the same dossier talks about how ruthless she is, and bent on human domination. Not that this part strikes me as 100% accurate either. It's just a very mixed bag overall.

Beyond that, the idea of Miranda giving up her career, so to speak, strikes me as particularly unlikely in a game like this. There's no quiet retirement option. Maybe in an epilogue at worst, I guess.

[Ieldra]

BTW, here's my current core team: