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[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
He says that only in the Paragon version of the earlier scene, which excludes the kiss and has a few other problems as already mentioned. I also think this "I care about you" is rather weak.

Fair enough, just noting that it's there, as an option, earlier in the scene.

Modifié par flemm, 22 octobre 2011 - 11:40 .

[CuseGirl]

wait, a minute, I can do the "damn it, ur right scene" and still backtrack and get the romance in ME-2? Or do I have to wait until ME-3 comes back and work the magic all over again?

[naledgeborn]

@CuseGirl

The second part. That's why I haven't done it myself. Rather have the romance "flagged" than "flagged and unflagged". For some reason that didn't sound right.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 23 octobre 2011 - 12:23 .

[CuseGirl]

naledgeborn wrote...

@CuseGirl

The second part. That's why I haven't done it myself. Rather have the romance "flagged" than "flagged and unflagged". For some reason that didn't sound right.

Yea, I have a save where I tried to get cute and hear more dialogue and now I have no LI going into ME-3 with that one.....it's just that the "you want this" dialogue is SO BAD :sick:

[jtav]

Well, all indications are we'll be getting a more emotional Shep. It's a delicate balance they're walking with Miranda. I like her raw emotion in the romance, but I also want the ambitious operative with a cause. Both halves.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
It's a delicate balance they're walking with Miranda. I like her raw emotion in the romance, but I also want the ambitious operative with a cause. Both halves.

So do I. And I think it's a fairly realistic expectation.

Generally speaking, I'm willing to overlook specific chunks of dialogue I don't like. It's just bound to happen, I rarely like everything that's presented to me in a piece of popular entertainment like this. I'm sure there are going to be aspects of Miranda's portrayal in ME3 that I'm not 100% on board with, it's inevitable, but as long as there are some awesome moments, and the general direction is palatable, I'm good.

I rather like the concept of her dumping Shep in the end when she becomes a faction leader, not with indifference, but in a big emotional scene where you both get to say goodbye and everything, but she decides she has to leave it behind to do her new job (presumably all covert and secretive). That could be one option, with the "into the sunset" option being the other.

Modifié par flemm, 23 octobre 2011 - 02:34 .

[jtav]

Oi, trying to drive me to drink, felmm? I can actually stand this She and want rainbows and puppies (read: Miranda taking over the family business while he goes into politics).

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Oi, trying to drive me to drink, felmm? I can actually stand this She and want rainbows and puppies (read: Miranda taking over the family business while he goes into politics).

Well, I definitely want there to be a happy ending...

Never let it be said that I would deny anyone their rainbows and puppies

But I would actually look forward to a "Miranda rips your heart out" ending if it were handled right, by which I mean: she doesn't betray you, she just decides she needs to move on. The irony would be that you might get an extra faction to support you in that scenario. Probably unlikely since I doubt they would want to put players through that, but I think I would enjoy it in a bittersweet sort of way.

Modifié par flemm, 23 octobre 2011 - 02:39 .

[jtav]

All my other Shep's can get their hearts pulped, but I'm attached to poor James now. Sole Survivor, pro-Cerberus, besotted with Ms. Lawson after she saved his life on Grunt's LM and fully aware of his betrayal of his men. I really should have him start drinking.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

All my other Shep's can get their hearts pulped, but I'm attached to poor James now. Sole Survivor, pro-Cerberus, besotted with Ms. Lawson after she saved his life on Grunt's LM and fully aware of his betrayal of his men.

Sounds like he's primed for a good heart-ripping 

Modifié par flemm, 23 octobre 2011 - 02:58 .

[Dr. Doctor]

@Flemm

There is only one man who could write a "Miranda rips your heart out" ending for the romance. That man is David Gaider, his characters can tear out hearts both literal and emotional sense.


Continuing with my Winter Soldier-inspired Shepard, I've discovered that doing Arrival right after Horizon works rather well as a turning point for Shepard going from Alliance war hero to Cerberus sympathizer. Treated like a traitor by the woman he loved and forced to stand trial by a government who could care less about his cause Shepard is finally starting to see that perhaps Cerberus has the right idea.

[CuseGirl]

you kno, i usually play ME-2 as just a game but now I finally see how i can shape my story.....::nods:: and my nerd is developing further......

[Shotokanguy]

Ugh. I keep reading about how Arrival might work well for the plot if you do it before the SM, and how it is only sensible after. I haven't even played it yet, so I really have no clue.

Can you guys give me some more opinions on that?

I have the same problem with all kinds of other things, like what story missions to do first in ME1. I think my final ME1 runs will have me doing Therum and Virmire next to each other for first time in forever. I always do them first and last, respectively.

Modifié par Shotokanguy, 23 octobre 2011 - 06:13 .

[Ieldra]

Shotokanguy wrote...
Ugh. I keep reading about how Arrival might work well for the plot if you do it before the SM, and how it is only sensible after. I haven't even played it yet, so I really have no clue.

Can you guys give me some more opinions on that?

Plot-wise, it doesn't matter when you do this. Sure, Arrival is supposed to be a time-critical mission, but that you get it right after Horizon is a gameplay mechanic to give you the option to actually use those upgrades you get on the mission. Most people would've finished ME2 before Arrival came out and so gotten Hackett's message after the SM. That's actually how it was for all of my Shepards and while replaying some of them, I pretend that I get Hackett's message at the time where I want to place Arrival in the sequence.

Any statement that one or the other placement doesn't make sense depends on assumptions I don't think we can make. Dr. Doctor's point is interesting though for certain kinds of Shepards. I might take that suggestion up and play Arrival before Miranda's first romance scene. LotSB's "These aren't mine anymore" (Alliance tags) and Shepard's "So do I" (wish you had recruited me earlier) gain quite a bit of significance that way.

I have the same problem with all kinds of other things, like what story missions to do first in ME1. I think my final ME1 runs will have me doing Therum and Virmire next to each other for first time in forever. I always do them first and last, respectively.

That's only relevant for ME1. In ME2, the main plot missions are linear and the others don't matter at all.

And since this is somewhat off-topic.....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 octobre 2011 - 06:49 .

[Ieldra]

CuseGirl wrote...
you kno, i usually play ME-2 as just a game but now I finally see how i can shape my story.....::nods:: and my nerd is developing further......

That's why I replay my main Shepard's so often. Fine-tuning the story. It's quite possible that after ME3 comes out, I'll replay the whole trilogy to get exactly the kind of endings I want - which isn't necessarily the "best" ending in terms of the kind of victory we get in ME3, but the one that fits my Shepard best.

My only problem is that my "canonical" ending has significant transhumanist elements in it. That would include Miranda being able to pass on her gifts (which can be artificially, but that would require her to make peace with her origins), selectively adapting Reaper technology for human enhancement, research into making humans genetic biotics etc. etc.. I hope that ME3 will let me write an approximation of such an ending.

[Ieldra]

Pictures from Miranda's loyalty mission with modded outfit:

[naledgeborn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Pictures from Miranda's loyalty mission with modded outfit:


-snip-

This one is one of my favorites.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 23 octobre 2011 - 01:07 .

[jtav]

I think I'll do Arrival as my post-IFF mission. Add a little "Now is not the time to act on my attraction" thing for him. Miranda's confession that she was wrong takes on a "I just want you to know this before the end" air. And then he gets swept up in the kiss along with her and what's he going to do? He's besotted. And he has a very good reason for not choosing "damn it--you're right." There's no after. Only now.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
And he has a very good reason for not choosing "damn it--you're right." There's no after. Only now.

Hmm...I always thought that applied to the SM as well. That's my in-world reason why I never choose that option. No regrets in the case of death. But admittedly Arrival feels much more like the end of the world. I'm just coming off replaying it. The mood is great.

BTW, I seem to have played myself into a corner. I forgot to ask Tali about the shield upgrade before her LM came up. Does anyone know if you still get that upgrade if Tali comes out of her LM non-loyal? Otherwise I'll have an additional death of Jack or Kasumi at the SM.

[flemm]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
There is only one man who could write a "Miranda rips your heart out" ending for the romance. That man is David Gaider, his characters can tear out hearts both literal and emotional sense.

Euh... I hope you really have to screw up badly with Miranda to get that option...

@Ieldra, awesome set of images!

Modifié par flemm, 23 octobre 2011 - 03:29 .

[jtav]

I just played myself into the same corner. I'd like to know myself.

I suppose it's that I never found the SM threatening. It's talked up, but it's basically Ilos with foreknowledge. Done it before. Will do it again. But after Arrival? Shep's onetime allies are going to feed him to the batarians to prevent a war. And he can't fight that. He doesn't know how.

[MisterJB]

I can confirm it. Even if you give the evidence to the Admiralty Board, you can still upgrade the Normandy's shields. You can't ask Tali for the upgrade, obviously, but you can select it through the science lab.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
I suppose it's that I never found the SM threatening. It's talked up, but it's basically Ilos with foreknowledge.

Well, I can see that from a player's perspective. From an in-game perspective, though, I think the SM totally justifies a carpe diem type of reaction.

Modifié par flemm, 23 octobre 2011 - 03:47 .

[Eyeshield21]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...
you kno, i usually play ME-2 as just a game but now I finally see how i can shape my story.....::nods:: and my nerd is developing further......

That's why I replay my main Shepard's so often. Fine-tuning the story. It's quite possible that after ME3 comes out, I'll replay the whole trilogy to get exactly the kind of endings I want - which isn't necessarily the "best" ending in terms of the kind of victory we get in ME3, but the one that fits my Shepard best.

My only problem is that my "canonical" ending has significant transhumanist elements in it. That would include Miranda being able to pass on her gifts (which can be artificially, but that would require her to make peace with her origins), selectively adapting Reaper technology for human enhancement, research into making humans genetic biotics etc. etc.. I hope that ME3 will let me write an approximation of such an ending.

I'm more of a "I want to save my entire team and the civilizations of the galaxy" kind of guy, dont getme wrong, I do have playthoughs where one to a few people die on my squad, but I mostly want to save everyone.
Paragon mostly, but only in saving everyone.

[Ieldra]

Eyeshield21 wrote...
I'm more of a "I want to save my entire team and the civilizations of the galaxy" kind of guy, dont getme wrong, I do have playthoughs where one to a few people die on my squad, but I mostly want to save everyone.

Oh, I don't want any species to become extinct or endangered. But in the end, I'm more interested in seeing how my decisions shape the culture of the after-the-Reapers galaxy. I'll try to bring about a galaxy that attempts to understand Reaper technology, where genetic engineering like Miranda's is more common and seen as a legitimate advancement of humanity etc. etc.. If that takes decisions that are non-optimal in another sense, then so be it.