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[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Renegade-ish Miranda with her own team in ME3, that would be part of my dream scenario.

Something like this would be awesome (Miranda leading her own team). It's probably the only scenario I would look forward to that wouldn't involve Miranda being on the squad for a significant period of the game. Hard for me to see it as a strong possibility, due to there being no real precedent for it in the prior games. But anyway, it's a cool idea.

CrutchCricket wrote...
I think utterly destroying Cerberus in the public eye is the best course of action. From the ashes Shepard and Miranda can create a new organization to protect human interests and advancement. Who's going to know where the resources came from?

I think so, too, realistically speaking. But for purposes of narrative economy and just keeping everything as simple as possible, I could see the organisation retaining the name "Cerberus" in the game itself. 

Modifié par flemm, 24 octobre 2011 - 10:32 .

[CuseGirl]

flemm wrote...

Something like this would be awesome (Miranda leading her own team). It's probably the only scenario I would look forward to that wouldn't involve Miranda being on the squad for a significant period of the game. Hard for me to see it as a strong possibility, due to there being no real precedent for it in the prior games. But anyway, it's a cool idea. 

well I dont mean she stays with that team, but if that's how Shepard gets reunited with her, that would be interesting....like say her little group is being eliminated by TiM's people tying up loose ends and Shepard intervenes.......

[flemm]

CuseGirl wrote...
well I dont mean she stays with that team, but if that's how Shepard gets reunited with her, that would be interesting....like say her little group is being eliminated by TiM's people tying up loose ends and Shepard intervenes.......

Could be. Something like that is pretty plausible. Some variation of it, anyway.

[CrutchCricket]

naledgeborn wrote...

The only difference is between Cerberus and the STG is that it isn't officially a government sanctioned organization. However taking into account that a majority of Cerberus benefactors are indeed top brass Alliance Navy officers you can't overlook their respective ties.

Truth is without support from Alliance officials Cerberus wouldn't be as powerful or influential as it is in terms of subterfuge and espionage. They are the Alliance's scapegoat. Cerberus allows humanity to catch up to the other Council species where the diplomacy and bureaucracy of the Systems Alliance Parliament won't.

Edit: I forgot to add. If you have the Shadow Broker DLC check out Mordin's bibliography and tell me again that the STG is looking out "for galactic stability".

Edit 2: Saved you the trouble

Treatment Modalities Utilizing Redundant Nervous Systems
Dispersal Vectors in Compromised Ecosystems
Genetic Consequence: Resequencing Methods to Prevent Tissue Cloning
Cross-Species Contamination and Xeno-Plague Potential
Testing Modalities for Varren and Pyjaks
Disease and Population Stability
Indoctrination Progression and Mental Degredation (classified, STG)
Biological Vectors and Social Effect (classified, STG)
Second-Stage Viral Manipulation and Modification (classified, STG)
Threat Potential Analysis: Turian (classified, STG)
Threat Potential Analysis: Human (classified, STG)
Threat Potential Analysis: Asari (classified, STG)
Threat Potential Analysis: Batarian (classified, STG)

And...? What is this supposed to prove? I assume you've bolded the ones you thought sounded important but without context what should we get from that? "Disease and Population Stability" could be studying space AIDS for all you know. Also I must point out the irony of you dismissing my claim that they worry about stability when the word is right there in the title. Even if we assume (not unreasonably) that all the above titles are related to the genophage none of them sound particularly threatening, malicious or promoting salarian goals above those of other races. Indeed you could make the opposite claim that Mordin did his homework on how it affects every other species before he went to town with the new genophage. Hence looking out for greater galactic good.

Of course there is an element of burying salarian mistakes with the whole genophage business. Doesn't mean that the entire organization is just for cleaning up salarian messes. Consider the "genophage cell" of the STG salarian focused and a "dark secret" of that organization. All of Cerberus is the Alliance's dark secret. Somewhat different I would say.

hhh89: Their methods may be similar but their goals are not. That makes a difference. An analogy: a cat is devouring all rodents in an area. Cerberus would shoot the cat and say it wanted to protect the mice. STG would shoot the cat and say it was preserving equillibrium between the species. Alternatively krogan would shoot the cat and call it lunch.

[naledgeborn]

Ah yes, naivete. Believe what you want Crutch. "Good" or "Bad" the STG is nosing around in places where they clearly don't belong. If they can freely "assess the threat potential" of Council species then there's no reason that Cerberus shouldn't function the way it does albeit it's questionable chain of command.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
 All of Cerberus is the Alliance's dark secret. Somewhat different I would say.

Interestingly, the exact relationship between Cerberus and the Alliance may be yet to be divulged, or about to be retconned, I guess, depending on how you look at it. So, I don't know how this will look when the ME3 dust settles.

[CuseGirl]

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
 All of Cerberus is the Alliance's dark secret. Somewhat different I would say.

Interestingly, the exact relationship between Cerberus and the Alliance may be yet to be divulged, or about to be retconned, I guess, depending on how you look at it. So, I don't know how this will look when the ME3 dust settles.

it'll probably be hashed out during a VS-Miranda fight.......::nods:: ah yes, i can see it now.....

[flemm]

CuseGirl wrote...

it'll probably be hashed out during a VS-Miranda fight.......::nods:: ah yes, i can see it now.....

Heh, well, I think it may come as a surprise to both Miranda and the VS, tbh. Maybe not so much to somebody like Anderson, or Hackett, or TIM.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
 Even if we assume (not unreasonably) that all the above titles are related to the genophage none of them sound particularly threatening, malicious or promoting salarian goals above those of other races. Indeed you could make the opposite claim that Mordin did his homework on how it affects every other species before he went to town with the new genophage. Hence looking out for greater galactic good.

Do take into consideration that the only races mentioned are the ones with a substantial amount of galactic power (no Quarians or Elcors there) and that the Salarian race is absent from the analysis.
This suggests that it was not an assessment on how the Genophage could negatively affect the other races but rather an attempt to determine how the other races could negatively affect the Salarians.

Which makes me wonder if the possibility of a Batarian Genophage is out of question. Just a little one?

Also, STG bugs have been discovered in the Alliance's network. This is canon.

Modifié par MisterJB, 24 octobre 2011 - 11:38 .

[Eyeshield21]

flemm wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

it'll probably be hashed out during a VS-Miranda fight.......::nods:: ah yes, i can see it now.....

Heh, well, I think it may come as a surprise to both Miranda and the VS, tbh. Maybe not so much to somebody like Anderson, or Hackett, or TIM.

YES! thats what I want, jealous love interests fight it out. If there is banter in the game, I hope it will kinda be like the Morrigan/Leliana jealous banter from Dragon Age Orgins.
And I'm sure some people from the Alliance have ties to Cerberus funding, so not all will be divided(though Ash and Miranda would probably be much more personal, Alliance cheerleader against Cerberus cheerleader, and especially if both were the LIs for Shep, I like it.)
Also, Anderson and Hackett won't be surprised much.

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 24 octobre 2011 - 11:43 .

[Dr. Doctor]

 What really makes Cerberus appear "evil" to the Alliance is the fact that they often resort to drastic measures in their operations.  From what we get from Overlord, TIM demands results on an extremely limited timetable, in short he creates an environment for the cells that promotes the use of high-risk procedures and actions. We know what happens next.

Humanity does need an organization that focuses on looking after human interests. How many times in ME1 did Admiral Hackett send us on some sort of mission to cover up something that the Council would have yelled at us for? Udina is more interested in playing along with the Council's wishes than he is in changing anything, and the Council itself is more concerned with maintaining the status quo than doing anything about the state of the galaxy.

On a completely different subject, I want there to be an option to explain to both the VS (we already took care of Liara's romance in LOTSB) and Miranda what happened. If Shepard leads both LI's on then he deserves whatever "dire consequences" Bioware is hinting at.

[flemm]

Personally, I'm a bit reticent on inter-romance squabbling being a big feature of the game. I like what the romance arcs bring to the story overall, but moreso on an individual basis. Still, if some kind of romantic tension is handled with taste for all concerned, I'm certainly cool with it. Just not something I'm really focused on at all.

[Jimez]

Miranda needs a role in ME3, if not in the squad then something more than a "Ashley/Kaiden" scene. In one of my saves, i have Kaiden alive, Wrex and Ashley dead and currently have Miranda as my love interest.

At the moment, i am developing an alternative save. One where i could choose Wrex and Ashley to remain alive from the 1st and remain loyal to Ashley to see how it pans out in the 3rd. It's a thought atm, even though i am playing ME1 again.

But, havn't Bioware near-confirmed that Miranda won't be a squad member, but will appear in the 3rd along with the likes of Jacob, Mordin and Thane.  In which case, i could be right in going for the Ashley LI for the 3 titles.

Modifié par Jimez, 25 octobre 2011 - 12:00 .

[naledgeborn]

MisterJB wrote...

Do take into consideration that the only races mentioned are the ones with a substantial amount of galactic power (no Quarians or Elcors there) and that the Salarian race is absent from the analysis.
This suggests that it was not an assessment on how the Genophage could negatively affect the other races but rather an attempt to determine how the other races could negatively affect the Salarians.

Which makes me wonder if the possibility of a Batarian Genophage is out of question. Just a little one?

Also, STG bugs have been discovered in the Alliance's network. This is canon.

Exactly. We shouldn't have to point out what's in plain sight. All it takes is a little deductive reasoning.

And where did it say that the STG has bugs in the AN? I might need to use that one day.

[Eyeshield21]

flemm wrote...

Personally, I'm a bit reticent on inter-romance squabbling being a big feature of the game. I like what the romance arcs bring to the story overall, but moreso on an individual basis. Still, if some kind of romantic tension is handled with taste for all concerned, I'm certainly cool with it. Just not something I'm really focused on at all.

hell, for some the romance arcs is the second thing that keeps people going from ME game to ME game.
Plus I'll love the romantic tension that Miri and Ash will have.

[CuseGirl]

Jimez wrote...
But, havn't Bioware near-confirmed that Miranda won't be a squad member, but will appear in the 3rd along with the likes of Jacob, Mordin and Thane.  In which case, i could be right in going for the Ashley LI for the 3 titles.

if that's the case, i might be this mad.....only because I'm upset that the permanent squad is mostly decided for us (VS, Garrus, Tali, Vega and....I'm missing someone I think)

i guess it's only fitting that ME-1 guys had to go looking for Garrus and Tali in ME-2, so now us newbies have to go looking for Miranda........

Modifié par CuseGirl, 25 octobre 2011 - 12:27 .

[MisterJB]

naledgeborn wrote...
And where did it say that the STG has bugs in the AN? I might need to use that one day.

Hmm, can't find the source. Had tought it was mentioned in "Mass Effect: Revelation" when Anderson bought the identity of Kahlee's father from a Salarian. Could be I was mistaken. Will just have to keep looking.

[jtav]

I wonder if I'm the only for whom the rival would be Liara, not Ash, if I could do it without thinking of Miranda as spineless, manipulative pond scum because of Redemption.

[CuseGirl]

jtav wrote...

I wonder if I'm the only for whom the rival would be Liara, not Ash, if I could do it without thinking of Miranda as spineless, manipulative pond scum because of Redemption.

i have 7 saves, where 1 I romanced Jack (just to say I did it), 1 where I chose Liara in the genesis comic (but I plan on cheating with Miranda) and 1 where I screwed up and picked the "Damn it, ur right" option (AFTER romancing Miranda). I only had the genesis comic for 2 of my saves and I chose Kaiden both times.....tired of Ash's dude-like face.

But I thought Liara gets over it during LotSB

Modifié par CuseGirl, 25 octobre 2011 - 12:30 .

[Vertigo_1]

MisterJB wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
And where did it say that the STG has bugs in the AN? I might need to use that one day.

Hmm, can't find the source. Had tought it was mentioned in "Mass Effect: Revelation" when Anderson bought the identity of Kahlee's father from a Salarian. Could be I was mistaken. Will just have to keep looking.

Err, I might be mistaken but I remember that salarian was an agent of the Shadow Broker

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

I wonder if I'm the only for whom the rival would be Liara, not Ash, if I could do it without thinking of Miranda as spineless, manipulative pond scum because of Redemption.

Nope. And I want to see how this plays out. You're more creative than I am, what do you think?

[Eyeshield21]

CuseGirl wrote...

Jimez wrote...
But, havn't Bioware near-confirmed that Miranda won't be a squad member, but will appear in the 3rd along with the likes of Jacob, Mordin and Thane.  In which case, i could be right in going for the Ashley LI for the 3 titles.

if that's the case, i might be this mad.....only because I'm upset that the permanent squad is mostly decided for us (VS, Garrus, Tali, Vega and....I'm missing someone I think)

i guess it's only fitting that ME-1 guys had to go looking for Garrus and Tali in ME-2, so now us newbies have to go looking for Miranda........

Ah, the rage quit video, lol.
and I honestly hope Miranda will be a squadmate in ME3, the tension between her and the VS would be high(especially Ashley.)

[Jimez]

CuseGirl wrote...

Jimez wrote...
But, havn't Bioware near-confirmed that Miranda won't be a squad member, but will appear in the 3rd along with the likes of Jacob, Mordin and Thane.  In which case, i could be right in going for the Ashley LI for the 3 titles.

if that's the case, i might be this mad.....only because I'm upset that the permanent squad is mostly decided for us (VS, Garrus, Tali, Vega and....I'm missing someone I think)

i guess it's only fitting that ME-1 guys had to go looking for Garrus and Tali in ME-2, so now us newbies have to go looking for Miranda........

Could be that indeed, but Garrus and Tali ended up being squad for ME2.  Who knows how the likes of Miranda and Jacob could mix into ME3.

I'm thinking that the ME2 guys (and gals) will have a part to play in the 3rd, depending on how you treated them in the 2nd will depend on how they react in the 3rd.  Perhaps a LI in Mirander from the 2nd could result in a "one night" re-kindle as such for old times sake.

And Bioware are hinting of more romances in the 3rd, so it is entirely possible that they could incorporate previous LI's in the 3rd to keep everyone happy.

[naledgeborn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
And where did it say that the STG has bugs in the AN? I might need to use that one day.

Hmm, can't find the source. Had tought it was mentioned in "Mass Effect: Revelation" when Anderson bought the identity of Kahlee's father from a Salarian. Could be I was mistaken. Will just have to keep looking.

Err, I might be mistaken but I remember that salarian was an agent of the Shadow Broker

So Revelation is the source? Guess I have to pick that up again.

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

I wonder if I'm the only for whom the rival would be Liara, not Ash, if I could do it without thinking of Miranda as spineless, manipulative pond scum because of Redemption.

If I'm not mistaken, Shepard can learn the truth from Liara as soon as the first visit to Illium and without having to start "Lair". That helps?